Is Fancy really trying to spin this 2015 class

We never led for singleton or brassel. Do not forget that. We did for Johnson but only in the antiseptic world of textbook NCAA rules. When we were asked to join the other game, we weren't willing to bid that high.

This could very well happen again as you say. And we do participate in the game. But we have a different 'risk reward' valuation for players than the rating system of rivals, or the dandy taltys or scout does.

Forget what you think you know about recruiting. If you'd like to imagine what the current world of recruiting really represents, rent the movie unusual suspects and listen to Kevin spacey's character describe keiser souze at the end.

Bottom line: it's power is in the imagination of those who cry about it the most.

Great teams are first and foremost the product of excellent staffs. The rest is mostly smoke and mirrors.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

We never led for singleton or brassel. Do not forget that. We did for Johnson but only in the antiseptic world of textbook NCAA rules. When we were asked to join the other game, we weren't willing to bid that high.

This could very well happen again as you say. And we do participate in the game. But we have a different 'risk reward' valuation for players than the rating system of rivals, or the dandy taltys or scout does.



Forget what you think you know about recruiting. If you'd like to imagine what the current world of recruiting really represents, rent the movie unusual suspects and listen to Kevin spacey's character describe keiser souze at the end.

Bottom line: it's power is in the imagination of those who cry about it the most.

Great teams are first and foremost the product of excellent staffs. The rest is mostly smoke and mirrors.

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This. Singleton and Brassel were never coming here. Neither was Kailo Moore.

I feel good now, but when the cash starts flowing the Bears start crowing.

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Originally Posted by Pollodawg

This. Singleton and Brassel were never coming here. Neither was Kailo Moore.

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One of these is not like the other 2.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's just not how I look at it. If you get a class that the recruiting services don't care for on NSD, but then you have three or four guys that end up being 1st day NFL picks- I can't say that we recruited poorly. I'm more concerned about the players we do get rather than what the Clarion-Ledger, Rosebowl, Yancy etc. think about our class and who their top 10 are. I trust my evaluation skills and opinions more than them. No one remembers losing on NSD. It's a racket. All you have to do is put four stars by someone's name and they're a good player. But in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't really mean anything.

For example, I remember watching Bear Wilson's film from high school. I thought it was incredible. He was like a three star guy I think. But I thought he would have an immediate impact and he pretty much did. Despite what the recruiting people told me, I was excited to get him. Same with Chris Jones before he blew up. He didn't even make Dandy Dozen.

These recruiting sites are not going to have it so that one school dominates even if that is reality because they have fans from the other school to entertain. I'm sure Willie Hibbler will be a top 10 player this year for that reason alone. The reality is he's probably not even in the top 15.

Recruiting takes connections and relationships. That's why Nutt and Dan didn't do as well in both of those cases you are referring to. For the past 20 years or so, neither one of us has been clearly dominate over the other. UNTIL Dan came along and has now won four out of five. We're starting to establish dominance. That's why I like playing USM- if we beat them, then that makes even more of a statement in state. That's also why I like playing the SWAC schools from Mississippi as well- we're establishing dominance while helping them out. The Romans pretty much did the same thing during the height of their empire.

Now we have a legit Heisman contender at QB and a chance to have some very good teams for the next couple of years. It should impact our recruiting in a major way and in a positive way.

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You are completely missing his point.

He is saying that there are typically 10 or so guys in the state that we go head to head with UM for.......if we could get all 10 of them then we definitely would take all 10 of them, and the same goes for UM. You are trying to make it sound like Mullen is passing on some of those top 10 guys in order to take these under rated guys, and so he is dominating the in state recruiting, when that just isn't the case. Taveze Calhoun is a prime example......he was an underrated guy that our staff felt had a lot of potential, but he only got an offer because we missed out on several other guys. In his case, they get credit for development, not for recruiting.......those are two completely different things.

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Originally Posted by sandwolf

You are completely missing his point.

He is saying that there are typically 10 or so guys in the state that we go head to head with UM for.......if we could get all 10 of them then we definitely would take all 10 of them, and the same goes for UM. You are trying to make it sound like Mullen is passing on some of those top 10 guys in order to take these under rated guys, and so he is dominating the in state recruiting, when that just isn't the case. Taveze Calhoun is a prime example......he was an underrated guy that our staff felt had a lot of potential, but he only got an offer because we missed out on several other guys. In his case, they get credit for development, not for recruiting.......those are two completely different things.

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No, I see his point. I have a different view on it is all.

Dan doesn't care about stars or any of that. I know for a fact that Dan's Big Board is different from Rosebowl's. Remember the year Montreal Jordan was a Dandy Dozen and then Chris Jones wasn't? Our staff knew about Jones and took him and passed on Jordan. But at this time in 2012, Jordan would have been considered by many of the recruiting experts as one of the top 10 players in the state. Now Jordan is at EMCC and Jones was a five star who is probably a three year guy for us.



Because of things like that, it begs the question who the top 10 players REALLY are?

I don't know about Calhoun. By my count we only signed 21 guys that year- I suppose the other four spots were for the Mississippi Home Run. That leads me to believe we would have taken Calhoun anyway.

Calhoun is a different animal. Some players emerge during the season. He falls into that category. He made the Miss/Ala. All-Star game after a breakout senior year and had a good showing there and then our staff became interested and eventually that led to an offer. There will probably be someone that does the same in this class.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No, I see his point. I have a different view on it is all.

Dan doesn't care about stars or any of that. I know for a fact that Dan's Big Board is different from Rosebowl's. Remember the year Montreal Jordan was a Dandy Dozen and then Chris Jones wasn't? Our staff knew about Jones and took him and passed on Jordan. But at this time in 2012, Jordan would have been considered by many of the recruiting experts as one of the top 10 players in the state. Now Jordan is at EMCC and Jones was a five star who is probably a three year guy for us.



Because of things like that, it begs the question who the top 10 players REALLY are?

I don't know about Calhoun. By my count we only signed 21 guys that year- I suppose the other four spots were for the Mississippi Home Run. That leads me to believe we would have taken Calhoun anyway.

Calhoun is a different animal. Some players emerge during the season. He falls into that category. He made the Miss/Ala. All-Star game after a breakout senior year and had a good showing there and then our staff became interested and eventually that led to an offer. There will probably be someone that does the same in this class.

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Yeah Calhoun also was like Defensive Co-MVP of the All-Star game or something.

Also worth noting that 2011 was still under the 28 scholarship limit... It went to 25 in 2012...

why would an OM cheerleader be crapping on the instate talent this year like this? Isn't he basicially insulting them as a group?

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

why would an OM cheerleader be crapping on the instate talent this year like this? Isn't he basicially insulting them as a group?

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Like I said - he's laying the groundwork for shitting on the outstanding class we have coming in 2015. "Well, they sucked anyway...we didn't want them"

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And I'd also submit that Dan has learned a lot since that class that you are referring to and Dan is also a lot more established than he was at that time. If we had been to four straight bowls and won four out of five, those players you are referring to could very well have ended up at MSU.

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Wouldn't have been any different if Mullen had been established or gone to four straight bowl games or won four out of five. I'm not sure we ever had a chance at Brassell or Singleton, but I think we basically walked away from Johnson. Not sure if it was b/c of naivety or b/c we felt he was reneging on a deal, but things will be different this year, and it won't primarily be because of Mullen being established.

We will probably lose a good recruit to Ole Miss simply because we lead for more than either school historically would get and if it stays that way, UM will up the ante to a place we don't want to go just to lessen the sting, but we won't simply bow out this year.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

why would an OM cheerleader be crapping on the instate talent this year like this? Isn't he basicially insulting them as a group?

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Good chance for Steve and Paul to mention this to recruits they interview around the state...

Rosie could ask "Why do you think the OM Scout writer is writing about how the talent is Mississippi is overrated this year?"

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Wouldn't have been any different if Mullen had been established or gone to four straight bowl games or won four out of five. I'm not sure we ever had a chance at Brassell or Singleton, but I think we basically walked away from Johnson. Not sure if it was b/c of naivety or b/c we felt he was reneging on a deal, but things will be different this year, and it won't primarily be because of Mullen being established.

We will probably lose a good recruit to Ole Miss simply because we lead for more than either school historically would get and if it stays that way, UM will up the ante to a place we don't want to go just to lessen the sting, but we won't simply bow out this year.

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It may not have been any different but if the circumstances were what they are today, I would think that we would have a much better chance of getting them.

This !!!!! You know 100% if Rosie or Paul were dumb enough to ever some something even close to what Yancy said their guys David and Yancy would be all over it .. Hell the CL and DJ would prob even be writing about it

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Good chance for Steve and Paul to mention this to recruits they interview around the state...

Rosie could ask "Why do you think the OM Scout writer is writing about how the talent is Mississippi is overrated this year?"

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Some may said they are above this type of crap, but our writers need to get on board. Yancy is definately part of the OM recruiting machine. Every statement or question that guy asks is straight out of their recruiting playbook.

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Originally Posted by wobblyh

Let's be honest the only people having angst over the rival's football program are those people who are obsessed with the rivalry. Very few people care what is going on with either program at the moment. That changes come July. Those people worried about the state of either program will be worried regardless of the circumstances. If both teams are about even, they'll worry the other will jump ahead. If their team is behind the other program, they fret over how the other program will regress while theirs progresses. If they are ahead, they're worried the other is making up ground. It never ends. It's why guys like Yancy and Steve have jobs. But let's not act like this is widespread commonality. 90% of both fanbases are distracted with jobs, summer plans, school, baseball, etc and couldn't care less what is going on other places.

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What planet do you live on? That 90% escape reality with Ole Miss and Miss state sports and it bugs the hell out of them when one team is doing something better than the other year round and that's the fact.

If what you say was true you would not have message board, radio shows, sports pages in news papers.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Good chance for Steve and Paul to mention this to recruits they interview around the state...

Rosie could ask "Why do you think the OM Scout writer is writing about how the talent is Mississippi is overrated this year?"

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Never happen. Steve and YP are the same person.