Chat with Scott Stricklin

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Originally Posted by TrueMaroon

1. We're not close to that. And we wont be for the foreseeable future.

2. This is a pathetic, stupid approach. And I would tell Scott to his face. We've always been at the bottom of the conference in terms of perception. Permeating that mindset doesn't help.

3. The money was there. It absolutely was. Richard Adkerson and Dampier were waiting and willing. Those two individuals' combined net worth is north of 250 million. Getting extra money for the right guy would not have been a problem.

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Adkerson, Damp, Rula etc, were pushing for KENNY PAYNE.

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Originally Posted by TrueMaroon

3. The money was there. It absolutely was. Richard Adkerson and Dampier were waiting and willing. Those two individuals' combined net worth is north of 250 million. Getting extra money for the right guy would not have been a problem.

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If that's the case, why the hell didn't we just give Shaka his $3mil per and hire him? Talk about a national coup for perception...

The real reason is because it's bullshit that the money was there... The vast majority of the basketball money still supported Stansbury.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Their roster was more talented? That is laughable. Sword was a 3 star, Thomas was a 3 star, and Ware was a 4 star. Those three alone had more talent then USC's roster combined. Martin took over a shittier program in shittier shape then Ray did.

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Bruce Ellington - 4-star
RJ Slawson - 4-star
Lakeem Jackson - 4-star
Damien Leonard - 4-star
Brian Richardson - 3-star
Eric Smith - 3-star

You were saying?

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Originally Posted by engie

If that's the case, why the hell didn't we just give Shaka his $3mil per and hire him? Talk about a national coup for perception...

The real reason is because it's bullshit that the money was there... The vast majority of the basketball money still supported Stansbury.

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I agree with Engie here. I don't understand their loyalty to Stans over our university.

However, I do think had we hired Drew, the money would have continued to flow and really the only way it stopped was because of Strick's WTF hire.

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Originally Posted by engie

Yes we are. We are staring it squarely in the face. Holla back at me in FY2015.

We're at $60-70 mil/yr now.

Stadium expansion will bring in an extra $7-10 million per overall.
New Bowl/Playoff Structure will bring in an extra $5-10 million per.
SECNetwork will bring in in excess of $20mil per for us -- and that number will likely end up going much higher.

You do the math.

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Show me anything that has our revenue at $60-70 million a year right now. Anything.

Stadium expansion an extra 10 million...hmm.... When did we pay off the bonds that funded it ? I must have missed that.

We already get a payout from the SEC. It's not going to increase an additional $20 million from them. That would almost double what they send now.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

But if this was 2006 you're correct I would not want Scott Drew for MSU. It's not though. It's 2014 and Scott Drew is playing in the Sweet 16 for the THIRD TIME now. We could have Stansbury and Ray and still not have three Sweet 16's after 48 seasons.

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And you continue to prove that you don't see it. Scott Drew did not change as a coach from 2006 on. He just kept building.

You would have said in 2006 that Scott Drew would have have three Sweet 16's by now because he had proven he wasn't going to be able to turn it around.

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Originally Posted by C222

Adkerson, Damp, Rula etc, were pushing for KENNY PAYNE.

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I'm not debating that. Im simply dispelling the idea that the money was not there. It was available.

Based on who's star scale? No way they had that much talent. They sucked hard for many years! Shit I could say Sword, Thomas and aware were all 4 stars.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Bruce Ellington - 4-star
RJ Slawson - 4-star
Lakeem Jackson - 4-star
Damien Leonard - 4-star
Brian Richardson - 3-star
Eric Smith - 3-star

You were saying?

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Everyone of those guys sucks. None were even close to reaching their full potential. Lakeem Jackson was terrible. A 4 star? Like I said based on whose scale? Ellington was the best player they had and he realistically could only play half a season. That really doesn't prove shit.

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Originally Posted by engie

If that's the case, why the hell didn't we just give Shaka his $3mil per and hire him? Talk about a national coup for perception...

The real reason is because it's bullshit that the money was there... The vast majority of the basketball money still supported Stansbury.

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I doubt we would've offered him more than we what we were paying our football coach at the time. But even if we would have, I doubt Stricklin could have pulled it off to be honest. And that is exactly how I will feel the next time he has to make a major hire for the university.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Everyone of those guys sucks. None were even close to reaching their full potential. Lakeem Jackson was terrible. A 4 star? Like I said based on whose scale? Ellington was the best player they had and he realistically could only play half a season. That really doesn't prove shit.

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Haha great argument. Point is, they had more talent than us but you think Frank Martin shouldn't be fired after two disaster seasons, but Rick Ray should. Why does Martin get time to rebuild but Ray doesn't?

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Originally Posted by TrueMaroon

Show me anything that has our revenue at $60-70 million a year right now. Anything.

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Gladly.
FY2012
FY2013

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Stadium expansion an extra 10 million...hmm.... When did we pay off the bonds that funded it ? I must have missed that.

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You obviously missed the difference between the terms revenue and expenses/profit as well. Basically, you missed economics101...

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We already get a payout from the SEC. It's not going to increase an additional $20 million from them. That would almost double what they send now.

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Please -- when you have no idea what you are talking about -- don't comment at all. It will MORE than double.
At Launch
Worth over $1Billion/Year in the near future

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Originally Posted by smootness

Bruce Ellington - 4-star
RJ Slawson - 4-star
Lakeem Jackson - 4-star
Damien Leonard - 4-star
Brian Richardson - 3-star
Eric Smith - 3-star

You were saying?

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And sense we are counting players that transferred to other schools as fair game, we can add Rodney Hood 5 star, Jalen Steele 3 star, Wendell Lewis 3 star. Leonard and Slawson transferred and never played a minute for Martin.

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Originally Posted by smootness

And you continue to prove that you don't see it. Scott Drew did not change as a coach from 2006 on. He just kept building.

You would have said in 2006 that Scott Drew would have have three Sweet 16's by now because he had proven he wasn't going to be able to turn it around.

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You can't compare Baylor's situation to Ray's. You just can not. Stop giving Ray value by saying Drew did it why can't Ray? Doesn't work like that. Drew had HC experience and comes from a basketball family filled with experience. Ray has none of that. Hindsight is 20/20 with Drew. We KNOW now that he's a phenomenal HC. We DO NOT know that at all with Ray. All y'all are asking is to give Ray more time? Ok but WHY? He's more likely to continue to fall flat on his face then have anything that comes close to resembling what Scott Drew has done at Baylor. Save us all the time and frustration and just hire the PROVEN HC that wants our job. Pay him $2 mill. That's more than he makes right now and less than what Auburn just paid Pearl. Hire him right now and he just may land Newman too. Oh yea Baylor is Adidas too and wears the best Adidas has to offer for basketball. Hmmm new coach fills the Hump, lands Malik Newman and has us sporting the best Adidas has all within year one. Sounds pretty ****ing good to me. Or just keep giving Ray more time and make us all continue to suffer. Your choice.

No they didn't. Do more research before blindly believing Smoot. Over half the players Smoot mentions transferred before playing for Martin.

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Originally Posted by TrueMaroon

I doubt we would've offered him more than we what we were paying our football coach at the time. But even if we would have, I doubt Stricklin could have pulled it off to be honest. And that is exactly how I will feel the next time he has to make a major hire for the university.

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Why would we not? You said the money was there and was of no issue.... If that was the case and an unlimited revenue stream was ACTUALLY in place, it takes a moron incapable of finding his car to not go pay whatever it took to bring Shaka Smart to Starkville -- a number widely rumored to be around $3million at the time. Which Stricklin is not.

So, which is it? Either the money was there for us to go get ANYBODY -- or it wasn't. Certainly appears to me that it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Bruce Ellington - 4-star (Mainly played football)
RJ Slawson - 4-star (transferred)
Lakeem Jackson - 4-star (sucked and basically a glorified Lewis)
Damien Leonard - 4-star (transferred)
Brian Richardson - 3-star (transferred)
Eric Smith - 3-star (transferred)

You were saying?

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Doesn't leave a very talented roster for Martin does it?

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Originally Posted by engie

Why would we not? You said the money was there and was of no issue.... If that was the case and an unlimited revenue stream was ACTUALLY in place, it takes a moron incapable of finding his car to not go pay whatever it took to bring Shaka Smart to Starkville -- a number widely rumored to be around $3million at the time. Which Stricklin is not.

So, which is it? Either the money was there for us to go get ANYBODY -- or it wasn't. Certainly appears to me that it wasn't.

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I like Shaka but he's out of the running because paying him $3 MM would immediately mean Mullen gets a huge raise too. We're trying to hire a great basketball coach. Not double Mullen's salary too. Mullen doesn't deserve to be paid $4 mill+ right now. He just doesn't. Not until he's beating Bama and LSU. Then he'll deserve that salary.

2012 was the year the Seals made a ONE TIME gift of 12.5 million. They're not giving that every year. You can't forecast that into our budget. 69 million less the 12.5 million one time gift puts us at 56.5 million for the year.

Your 2013 link doesn't work by the way, but I'm sure it would have it somewhere in the mid 50's as well.

I can assure you I know the difference between revenue and expense. The extra revenue from the additional seats will not exceed the bond payments by $10,000,000.

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Originally Posted by engie

Yes we are. We are staring it squarely in the face. Holla back at me in FY2015.

We're at $60-70 mil/yr now.

Stadium expansion will bring in an extra $7-10 million per overall.
New Bowl/Playoff Structure will bring in an extra $5-10 million per.
SECNetwork will bring in in excess of $20mil per for us -- and that number will likely end up going much higher.

You do the math.

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engie, I'm not disagreeing with your numbers but what about Stricklin makes you think that all the extra revenue we have and will be getting via the SEC network and the stadium expansion he will spend smartly? i.e. not hire Billy Bob's cousin, or his wife for that sake.