Where does Supahstar Davonte Pollard go now?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Are you just an embecile? Ray had a relationship with Staley and his family and brought Mullen in the fold. And even then, Staley only signed with us because he was promised that he could play basketball for Ray.

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I think you missed my point. I'm not trading a decade of being the worst team in the SEC in basketball for 1 three-star football project who may or may not ever play a down for MSU. you get no points for that. points are accumulated for beating a horrible south carolina team at home, for instance. heaven forbid we finish, say, 12th in the SEC in year 2.

what exactly is an embecile? and why are you resorting to name calling? isn't that an attack? just because I'm eating your lunch on the merits of this discussion does not warrant a personal attack.

Oh and one more thing. In addition to Rick "the assitant" Ray's masterful recruiting of Staley, his decision also might have taken this into account:

Mississippi State Verbal Yes 11/15/2013
Appalachian State No Interest Yes None
Boston College No Interest Yes None
Georgia No Interest No None
Marshall No Interest Yes None
North Carolina No Interest No None
Vanderbilt No Interest Yes None
Virginia No Interest Yes None
Western Kentucky No Interest Yes None

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Originally Posted by Sandman14

just because I'm eating your lunch on the merits of this discussion does not warrant a personal attack.

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hahahaha

have delusions of grandeur much?

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Originally Posted by hacker

hahahaha

have delusions of grandeur much?

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no kidding...this guy is hilarious

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I want to make sure I understand this... are you suggesting that Rick Ray is one player away from being successful?

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"One player away"? No.

But Newman will bring a posse with him.

I'm not the one arguing that after two years of college basketball, we don't have a sample size worthy of drawing conclusions. That's not to say it is impossible for things to change, but it is to say that it appears Ray is in way over his head and we presently have a much worse situation on our hands than we did 3 years ago, which is what many of us predicted.

And I'm not the one using some 3 star football player with an offer from Vandy as a feather in Ray's cap. If you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel like that for arguments in favor of a college basketball coach, then you know you are behind the proverbial eight ball.

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Originally Posted by C222

Oliver Back had an offer from Oklahoma (currently a 5 seed) and Wichita State (#1 ranked team in the country). But what do they know.

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If you honestly think those were committable offers then you really are drinking the maroon koolaid.

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Originally Posted by Sandman14

I'm not the one arguing that after two years of college basketball, we don't have a sample size worthy of drawing conclusions. That's not to say it is impossible for things to change, but it is to say that it appears Ray is in way over his head and we presently have a much worse situation on our hands than we did 3 years ago, which is what many of us predicted.

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Convenient wording. Rick Ray didn't take over the team 3 years ago -- when we had one of the more attractive situations in the country from a talent standpoint. Before being one of the worst 2 years ago.

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And I'm not the one using some 3 star football player with an offer from Vandy as a feather in Ray's cap. If you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel like that for arguments in favor of a college basketball coach, then you know you are behind the proverbial eight ball.

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Nice try looking at and posting his football offer list instead of his basketball offer list. Let me straighten that out for you.

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/12222/m_...-flzs-39kb.jpg
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/12222/m_...-7c5w-37kb.jpg

Obviously terrible player with "an offer from Vandy"**

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

If you honestly think those were committable offers then you really are drinking the maroon koolaid.

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Please prove that they weren't? Basketball team don't throw out 100 uncommittable offers. This isn't football. But then again, I have no idea why I'm even attempting to engage you into anything logical.

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Originally Posted by engie

Please prove that they weren't? Basketball team don't throw out 100 uncommittable offers. This isn't football. But then again, I have no idea why I'm even attempting to engage you into anything logical.

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If you think Black would go to MSU after a 10-23 season versus going to Wichita State fresh off a Final Four appearance, then either you are mentally insane or just ignorant. He didn't have committable offers from them. Omhar Carter is his AAU coach who is notorious for "sugar coating" an offer list. Anyways it will be a coin flip anyways to see if he becomes eligible or not. He wasn't even the best post player in JPS his junior year.

Oh man yeah, Staley was a 3-star on all sites but had offers from all those schools...and chose MSU. This debate has quickly digressed. You are grasping at straws. I am done with this one. Just know that all of this is has provided me with immense comic relief. Can't wait to see what great football players Ray gets us next year. Too bad his basketball recruiting isn't more like his football recruiting.

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Originally Posted by Sandman14

Oh man yeah, Staley was a 3-star on all sites but had offers from all those schools...and chose MSU. This debate has quickly digressed. You are grasping at straws. I am done with this one. Just know that all of this is has provided me with immense comic relief. Can't wait to see what great football players Ray gets us next year. Too bad his basketball recruiting isn't more like his football recruiting.

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Although you have supplied great humor in this thread you are wrong about Staley. He is a 4* basketball recruit. He holds very nice offers in basketball and he just might have a higher ceiling in football. Knocking Ray on his recruiting is deserved but not because of Elijah Staley. I have a feeling Dan Mullen has a lot to do with that one though considering his scholarship will count towards football so that should mean football comes first for Staley. Ray didn't welcome Bear with open arms so will we see more of the same with ES?

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Although you have supplied great humor in this thread you are wrong about Staley. He is a 4* basketball recruit. He holds very nice offers in basketball and he just might have a higher ceiling in football. Knocking Ray on his recruiting is deserved but not because of Elijah Staley. I have a feeling Dan Mullen has a lot to do with that one though considering his scholarship will count towards football so that should mean football comes first for Staley. Ray didn't welcome Bear with open arms so will we see more of the same with ES?

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Staley had to sign in football if he intended on playing. He is a 50/50 guy on them- loves both if not basketball even more. He will be playing after football is over- but will take the time to learn everything just like anybody else. He should be good off the bench down the stretch in the SEC

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Originally Posted by C222

Oliver Back had an offer from Oklahoma (currently a 5 seed) and Wichita State (#1 ranked team in the country). But what do they know.

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I heard from a college coach that those offers are not correct. He also said that Black is a SWAC player (not SEC) because he just cannot play offense. Also, he said that it will be very close on his grades.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Staley had to sign in football if he intended on playing. He is a 50/50 guy on them- loves both if not basketball even more. He will be playing after football is over- but will take the time to learn everything just like anybody else. He should be good off the bench down the stretch in the SEC

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Dan might want to consider that Staley chooses basketball over football. I hope he doesn't but Staley may find Fitz is better than expected and already has a leg up on him. I really want to see what Staley's got as a QB but after the Cord Sandberg experience it might be a good idea to sign 2 QBs this year. That should be answered in time for NSD though so if that does become the case and I'm hoping it doesn't that could leave the door open to sign both Smith and Minshew or a yet to be named higher QB prospect. But again I'm hoping Staley plays both. I think we all are which is different from Bear.

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Originally Posted by engie

Please prove that they weren't? Basketball team don't throw out 100 uncommittable offers. This isn't football. But then again, I have no idea why I'm even attempting to engage you into anything logical.

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A college coach who knows all the parties says they were not.

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Originally Posted by mcdawg

Also, he said that it will be very close on his grades.

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Uh oh is Ray going to be down to eleven soon? Not looking good for that 13 scholi deadline.

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

If you think Black would go to MSU after a 10-23 season versus going to Wichita State fresh off a Final Four appearance, then either you are mentally insane or just ignorant. He didn't have committable offers from them. Omhar Carter is his AAU coach who is notorious for "sugar coating" an offer list. Anyways it will be a coin flip anyways to see if he becomes eligible or not. He wasn't even the best post player in JPS his junior year.

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Anything to discredit Ray. You guys are doing a hell of a job. Great fans we have here.

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Originally Posted by Raytoraid83

But rivals says he has offers from Witchita and Oklahoma?!?!?***

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I bet you wanted Kenny Paul Geno, right?

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Originally Posted by C222

I bet you wanted Kenny Paul Geno, right?

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As a walk on, sure. Scholarship? No way