9 Game Losing Streak

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Originally Posted by dawgs

you have to see at least why some fans are questioning ray. you have to understand that right? i mean, even his most ardent supporters surely can understand why some people are getting fed up already and not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, right?

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I understand that there are a lot of people who are impatient and rush to make decisions without letting situations fully play themselves out. So it's not surprising. And I understand people questioning whether Ray will get it done.

What I don't understand is why anyone would honestly evaluate the situation and say, 'Ray isn't going to get it done, terrible hire'.

We knew the first two years were going to be really tough. Just because they in fact are tough doesn't mean we should change our feelings of the coach. Some people may not have understood what it was going to mean when they said, 'He'll have at least 3 years,' but saying that means that he won't be judged until year 3.

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Originally Posted by slickdawg

Ray has a pass with me this year. He needs players, biggest problem by far. I haven't seen us on CNN for fighting in the stands either.

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You watch CNN?

http://philadelphiariders.com/galler...f?m=1323592852

This team would be a lot better had we kept Josh Gray. He is tearing it up in JUCO and his highlight tape is nothing to laugh at. Also losing Andre Applewhite still makes no sense to me. Now that we aren't even playing Fred, I have to think he is at least wavering on transferring. This program isn't as sound as yall make it out to be.

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

You watch CNN?

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I had headline news on the morning that TRS was fighting in the stands.

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

This team would be a lot better had we kept Josh Gray. He is tearing it up in JUCO and his highlight tape is nothing to laugh at. Also losing Andre Applewhite still makes no sense to me. Now that we aren't even playing Fred, I have to think he is at least wavering on transferring. This program isn't as sound as yall make it out to be.

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Gray leaving was apparently a mutual decision and not a sign that the program is in bad shape. He also left Texas Tech and committed to at least two different programs once in JUCO; he seems to be a headcase. Who knows on Applewhite, but basketball players often transfer. I have no reason to believe Fred Thomas is considering a transfer.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Who knows on Applewhite, but basketball players often transfer. I have no reason to believe Fred Thomas is considering a transfer.

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How many transfer mid-season while starting or getting solid bench minutes?

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

This team would be a lot better had we kept Josh Gray. He is tearing it up in JUCO and his highlight tape is nothing to laugh at. Also losing Andre Applewhite still makes no sense to me. Now that we aren't even playing Fred, I have to think he is at least wavering on transferring. This program isn't as sound as yall make it out to be.

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Josh Gray wanted to make sure he was still getting his "love" when the new coach was hired. Ray told his people "the love" wasnt an option anymore. Gray decided to go to TT. And not surprisingly- he left there after a not so stellar freshman year in which he shot the ball worse from 3 than Sword. And Sword cant shoot the 3.

I hate Applewhite left. Certainly hurt some.

Why would Fred be considering a transfer? Thats literally not been mentioned anywhere

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Originally Posted by Raytoraid83

How many transfer mid-season while starting or getting solid bench minutes?

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Ones that run their mouth when they shouldnt and are told by their coach to carry their ass somewhere else

If Ray doesn't learn to show some "love" then he won't have a job in the near future. This is the SEC not upward basketball.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

tom crean went to a final 4, 5 ncaa tourneys, and 3 NITs in 9 seasons at marquette before getting to indiana. he definitely had earned a bit more benefit of the doubt than a guy that's never been a HC and was never considered a top assistant before we hired him.

i'm not saying ray won't get at least 1 more year, and probably 2 more, but i am saying comparing him to someone like tom crean is a very, very poor comparison because crean had a good track record before taking the indiana job. kinda like the cohen comparisons you are hell bent on making in other threads.

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be careful, when you bring logic to this board vs obscure/one sided stats-you will get called nasty little names.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Tom Crean went 1-17 at Indiana his 1st season....and yes I know they were on probation- that's how our AD views our program with us having 1 player- ONE- leftover from the previous regime.

Ray gone get 4 years bruh

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This is year 2 and NO PROBATION

Apples and Oranges

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Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg

This is year 2 and NO PROBATION

Apples and Oranges

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Probation comes in all shapes and sizes and is not ONLY mandated by the NCAA. What Ray inherited was, indeed, probation.

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Originally Posted by Raytoraid83

How many transfer mid-season while starting or getting solid bench minutes?

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Great Question

I still can't figure this out unless Ray dog cussed Applewhite out all of the time or something to make him want to leave the program. What type of players leaves a team midway through the year when he is starting.

That is not going to happen ,that is not in Ray's DNA .Look at Pollard ,Gray ,other guard we release everyone transfer from the school they went too ,that might be called head cases . Shaun Smith and the Euro did not last at their schools either . I know I am proving C34 points but those are the facts.

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

If Ray doesn't learn to show some "love" then he won't have a job in the near future. This is the SEC not upward basketball.

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Originally Posted by engie

Probation comes in all shapes and sizes and is not ONLY mandated by the NCAA. What Ray inherited was, indeed, probation.

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Ray did't use his scholarships properly and tried to be Mr. Authority and swept out 3 good players, lost Hood to transfer, and essentially only signed Bortchert and Bloodman.

Carry on, yall can keep hyping up the Rick Ray experience, but I'm done with basketball until we hire a coach that has experience even if its as the HC or a JUCO or D2 schools. Look at Donnie Tyndall at USM and what he is doing. USM's last 2 hires have been coaches with Division 1 head coaching experience and both have paid dividends and helped them get their basketball program back on track.

Al, please don't make me pull the Cohen archives again...

"Mr Authority" = don't fail drug tests.

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Originally Posted by engie

Al, please don't make me pull the Cohen archives again...

"Mr Authority" = don't fail drug tests.

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Cohen had 10+ YEARS OF HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE

Ray ZERO

Thats my biggest argument.

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Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg

This is year 2 and NO PROBATION

Apples and Oranges

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Could probation be any worse than having literally 1 player- ONE- play for you from the previous regime? That's about as rough of sanctions as you can get.

And for the last time- Ray did not run those guys off- they were let go by the athletic department for failing drug tests per AD rules. Ray doesn't schedule drug tests for the athletes

Rick Ray is in so far over his head its unreal.

14 game losing streak to end this season and less than 2,000 warm bodies in the hump aint the way to end the year.