A new low today?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And they have a top 5 coach. This era will have crap seasons out of no where. Bet they aren't dumb enough to fire a good coach after one season.

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This is what people do not understand about this era. Crap seasons are going to happen because you have to be portal heavy. You cannot build through retention and HS recruiting. Not possible. Houston is really the only team that is able to operate through traditional recruiting in this era and if we would have tried to hire Kelvin Sampson after Stans, people would have REVOLTED. And btw, we could have hired him. A blind nun could have seen Ray was not working and Stricklin held on to him. We should have moved off Ray after Year 2 and hired Kelvin.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

This is what people do not understand about this era. Crap seasons are going to happen because you have to be portal heavy. You cannot build through retention and HS recruiting. Not possible. Kelvin.

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Literally everyone understands this

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Literally everyone understands this

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So everyone understands this, and these guys still wanna fire jans for one bad season?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So everyone understands this, and these guys still wanna fire jans for one bad season?

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I really haven't heard many folks wanting Jans fired. I think there are honest questions being asked if he will work out long term though. Hopefully this embarrassing year is just a one off but we will find out next season. I think we can all agree that our portal evaluations this year were really bad and something there has to get better going forward. It's not just the fact we are losing this season, but how we are losing. We aren't even competitive in most games any more.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I really haven't heard many folks wanting Jans fired. I think there are honest questions being asked if he will work out long term though. Hopefully this embarrassing year is just a one off but we will find out next season. I think we can all agree that our portal evaluations this year were really bad and something there has to get better going forward. It's not just the fact we are losing this season, but how we are losing. We aren't even competitive in most games any more.

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Yeah they?ve quit and you compound this issue that we?ve been pretty bad if you?re being objective in the portal during Jans tenure and it doesn?t give much hope in the future.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I really haven't heard many folks wanting Jans fired. I think there are honest questions being asked if he will work out long term though. Hopefully this embarrassing year is just a one off but we will find out next season. I think we can all agree that our portal evaluations this year were really bad and something there has to get better going forward. It's not just the fact we are losing this season, but how we are losing. We aren't even competitive in most games any more.

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This season is terrible. It's Jans' mulligan, and he has to fix it next season.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This season is terrible. It's Jans' mulligan, and he has to fix it next season.

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The problem is that almost everyone Jans has brought in from the portal has been a bust.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

The problem is that almost everyone Jans has brought in from the portal has been a bust.

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I don't think that's fair. Kugel, Harris, and Melendez gave us 8-10 ppg with Melendez pushing 5 reb a game. Nwoko gave us good mins and rebounded well. They helped us make the tourney.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't think that's fair. Kugel, Harris, and Melendez gave us 8-10 ppg with Melendez pushing 5 reb a game. Nwoko gave us good mins and rebounded well. They helped us make the tourney.

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Yeah, I thought he did a good job with last year's team. They were fun to watch also

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yeah, I thought he did a good job with last year's team. They were fun to watch also

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Would have been much better off keeping Nwoku and Kugel than what we replaced them with. Was it our choice to not try and keep them?

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Would have been much better off keeping Nwoku and Kugel than what we replaced them with. Was it our choice to not try and keep them?

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Their choice is my understanding. LSU spent some money on Nwoku.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Would have been much better off keeping Nwoku and Kugel than what we replaced them with. Was it our choice to not try and keep them?

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Kugel looked like he hated Jans by the end of the year. We all remember Shakeel Moores comments as well.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Kugel looked like he hated Jans by the end of the year. We all remember Shakeel Moores comments as well.

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Word gets around pretty fast. Players and coaches talk and Jans has a reputation now. He will have a hard time getting anyone of value to come play for him. On top of that, he needs to completely change his offensive philosophy and coaches. Those are a lot of things to overcome in order to turn it around.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Word gets around pretty fast. Players and coaches talk and Jans has a reputation now. He will have a hard time getting anyone of value to come play for him. On top of that, he needs to completely change his offensive philosophy and coaches. Those are a lot of things to overcome in order to turn it around.

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Jan has a great assistant in Scott Padgett who played for Pitino at Kentucky. We dont lack offensive knowledge

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Jan has a great assistant in Scott Padgett who played for Pitino at Kentucky. We dont lack offensive knowledge

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We suck this season, obviously, but we were 24th in kenpom offense last year.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I just need some sensible feedback on how firing the guy that has done a great job at State would be a smart thing to do

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Because the program is going into the shitter? And the State job can be/should be a top 50 job at worst. The offense has been non-existent Jans entire career. There is no path to getting better.

Must just be that pesky execution part.

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Originally Posted by Lance Harbor

Because the program is going into the shitter? And the State job can be/should be a top 50 job at worst. The offense has been non-existent Jans entire career. There is no path to getting better.

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They were literally 24th ranked offense last season in kenpom and 28th in BPI

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Originally Posted by msstate7

They were literally 24th ranked offense last season in kenpom and 28th in BPI

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And 6th in the SEC in scoring

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Originally Posted by Lance Harbor

Because the program is going into the shitter? And the State job can be/should be a top 50 job at worst. The offense has been non-existent Jans entire career. There is no path to getting better.

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If we fired Chris Jans this offseason, the hire we would be able to make would make Rick Ray look like Red Auerbach.

Jans screwed up in the portal. He's admitted that. The staff has admitted that. And the fans know it. When you go to 3 straight NCAAT's, you get a mulligan. And honestly, you probably get 2. He's recruited really well at the HS level in the last two classes and that will help us this offseason.

You're going to have season's like this in this era. You just are. Chris Beard went to the S16 last year and guess what? He's down this year. Porter Moser went to the NCAAT last year, he's down this year. This is the new era of college basketball. Down years are going to be really bad. It's just the new reality. Jans has also spoiled us into thinking we're some regular tournament team. Keep in mind, before him, we'd been to the NCAAT 1 time in 12 years.

I've said it for the better part of 15 years now, those fake Western Division titles that Stansbury won in the mid 00s made our fanbase think we were some blue blood. Hell Stansbury won 4 tournament games in 14 years. Not exactly some incredible hit rate in the tournament. We haven't been to the second weekend in 30 years. We're not some blue blood and I'd debate whether we're a top 50 job. We're in an old arena, with little local talent, we have a non rev sport that takes up NIL money and rev share money, and we're in an incredibly tough conference. That's not the recipe for a top 50 job.