The Jeff Lebby OC Impact

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Sounds like to me defense is much more the problem than offense. Get some linemen and some defensive coaches.

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Yeah, the only reason OU had that many wins was due to their 7th ranked defense. What was our Offense? 52nd? But we had a 105th ranked defense.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Man this board has become unbearable for me. Every thread just turns into name calling, nobody being wrong, and who has the bigger nuts. I get the frustration but some of y'all need to work on conversation skills. Real debating doesn't turn into name calling and pissing matches. We are all for Mississippi State. 99% of this board can't do a damn thing to influence our football seasons anyway so let's just step back from the ledge and talk amongst ourselves like men and hope and pray our administration does what needs to be done for State to be successful. Hostility and hatred has never had anything good come from it.

I can't remember a time when our fanbase was this dismantled. It's obvious something has to change.

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This thread is pretty crazy. I'm not sure why anyone would try to rundown any coach by using their time as a coordinator to prove a point. I've never seen that done before. Especially when everything got WORSE when the coach left. That tells me he probably did a good job. Talk about apples and oranges here.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

This thread is pretty crazy. I'm not sure why anyone would try to rundown any coach by using their time as a coordinator to prove a point. I've never seen that done before. Especially when everything got WORSE when the coach left. That tells me he probably did a good job. Talk about apples and oranges here.

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If your definition of "worse/better" is solely based on ypg and ppg then you have a basic understanding of football works (one team scores more than the other) but you don't have any real deep insight into complementary football.

Theres a reason each coach that Lebby left got better game results without Lebby.

And we judge him as a coordinator because what he's supposed to bring to the table is innovative offensive mind.

It's been well discussed how terrible he is at in game coaching management. Laughably horrific.

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Originally Posted by Tater

If your definition of "worse/better" is solely based on ypg and ppg then you have a basic understanding of football works (one team scores more than the other) but you don't have any real deep insight into complementary football.

Theres a reason each coach that Lebby left got better game results without Lebby.

And we judge him as a coordinator because what he's supposed to bring to the table is innovative offensive mind.

It's been well discussed how terrible he is at in game coaching management. Laughably horrific.

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And again, your own numbers don't back up what you are saying. Under Lebby, his offense was ranked 3rd in the nation at OU. He left for MSU. The very next season OU dropped from 3rd to 113th in the nation. This year they were ranked 90th. So NO they did not improve after Lebby. At all.

How did Lebby leaving affect the defense the year after vs with him?

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Originally Posted by Tater

If your definition of "worse/better" is solely based on ypg and ppg then you have a basic understanding of football works (one team scores more than the other) but you don't have any real deep insight into complementary football.

Theres a reason each coach that Lebby left got better game results without Lebby.

And we judge him as a coordinator because what he's supposed to bring to the table is innovative offensive mind.

It's been well discussed how terrible he is at in game coaching management. Laughably horrific.

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Do you not understand your own stats? Because based on what YOU presented it looks like teams got worse when he left in win totals.

Oklahoma for example hired Seth Littrell after Lebby. He lasted one year and then they hired Ben Arbuckle. There is no correlation to teams getting better based on what YOU presented.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

How did Lebby leaving affecting the defense the year after vs with him?

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It clearly didn't "complement" the defense well enough to help the team win more games the year after he left.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Do you not understand your own stats? Because based on what YOU presented it looks like teams got worse when he left in win totals.

Oklahoma for example hired Seth Littrell after Lebby. He lasted one year and then they hired Ben Arbuckle. There is no correlation to teams getting better based on what YOU presented.

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OU had six WRs injured last year along with Lebby's prized recruit flopping at QB (which Arnold proved again at Auburn this year that it wasn't on Littrell) and went from playing a charmin ultra soft B12 schedule to an SEC schedule. If that's the year you want to hang your hat on for Lebby being good - that's a realllllly bad example and shows how weak the argument for him is.

But my point is each coach achieved higher highs when Lebby was not their OC than they did with him.

(I'm giving every coach a mulligan for 2020 including Lebby - he was 5-5)

Heupel
2018 - 12-1 UCF (potentially playoff berth)
2019 - 10-3 UCF (Lebby OC)
2021 - 7-6 Tennessee
2022 - 11-2 Tennessee (potentially playoff berth)
2023 - 9-4 Tennessee
2024 - 10-3 Tennessee (playoff berth)
2025 - 8-5 Tennessee

Kiffin
2019 - 10-3 FAU
2021 - 10-3 OM Lebby (potentially Playoff Berth)
2022 - 8-5 OM
2023 - 11-2 OM (potentially playoff berth)
2024 - 10-3 OM
2025 - 13-1 OM (playoff berth)

Vegetables
2022 - 6-7 OU - Lebby
2023 - 10-3 OU - Lebby
2024 - 6-7 OU
2025 - 10-3 OU - Playoff berth

All 3 coaches have a playoff berth without Lebby. Only 2021 under Lane does Lebby have a potential playoff berth. It's not rocket science to tell he was not the straw stirring the drink. He did not elevate any programs he was around.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

And again, your own numbers don't back up what you are saying. Under Lebby, his offense was ranked 3rd in the nation at OU. He left for MSU. The very next season OU dropped from 3rd to 113th in the nation. This year they were ranked 90th. So NO they did not improve after Lebby. At all.

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Your reading comprehension sucks. I literally mocked you for using ypg and ppg. I called you the top of mount stupid on the dunning kruger. You think you know so much because you don't have the knowledge of what you don't know. You are peak idiot. This message board is worse with you on it. Please better yourself and your knowledge before posting again.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Your reading comprehension sucks. I literally mocked you for using ypg and ppg. I called you the top of mount stupid on the dunning kruger. You think you know so much because you don't have the knowledge of what you don't know. You are peak idiot. This message board is worse with you on it. Please better yourself and your knowledge before posting again.

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Dude is horrendous and he has a sidekick robin keeping him going.

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Originally Posted by Tater

OU had six WRs injured last year along with Lebby's prized recruit flopping at QB (which Arnold proved again at Auburn this year that it wasn't on Littrell) and went from playing a charmin ultra soft B12 schedule to an SEC schedule. If that's the year you want to hang your hat on for Lebby being good - that's a realllllly bad example and shows how weak the argument for him is.

But my point is each coach achieved higher highs when Lebby was not their OC than they did with him.

(I'm giving every coach a mulligan for 2020 including Lebby - he was 5-5)

Heupel
2018 - 12-1 UCF (potentially playoff berth)
2019 - 10-3 UCF (Lebby OC)
2021 - 7-6 Tennessee
2022 - 11-2 Tennessee (potentially playoff berth)
2023 - 9-4 Tennessee
2024 - 10-3 Tennessee (playoff berth)
2025 - 8-5 Tennessee

Kiffin
2019 - 10-3 FAU
2021 - 10-3 OM Lebby (potentially Playoff Berth)
2022 - 8-5 OM
2023 - 11-2 OM (potentially playoff berth)
2024 - 10-3 OM
2025 - 13-1 OM (playoff berth)

Vegetables
2022 - 6-7 OU - Lebby
2023 - 10-3 OU - Lebby
2024 - 6-7 OU
2025 - 10-3 OU - Playoff berth

All 3 coaches have a playoff berth without Lebby. Only 2021 under Lane does Lebby have a potential playoff berth. It's not rocket science to tell he was not the straw stirring the drink. He did not elevate any programs he was around.

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You are twisting a frig lying again. You know, when a person has to make shit up to try and "win", all it does is make you stink. You are a dishonest hack. Lebby would have made the playoff under the current system while at Ole Miss in 2021 and OU in 2023. The only reason they did not is due to the CFP was only 4 teams!

Just a miserable liar.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Your reading comprehension sucks. I literally mocked you for using ypg and ppg. I called you the top of mount stupid on the dunning kruger. You think you know so much because you don't have the knowledge of what you don't know. You are peak idiot. This message board is worse with you on it. Please better yourself and your knowledge before posting again.

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No, my comprehension is just fine. Yo sated very clearly that teams improved after Lebby. I explained to you how yo were wrong with facts. You got so twisted that you were wrong you turned to the "PLAY OFFS" as if it was the same system then as now. Either you were too stupid to grasp what was being said or you are willfully ignorant. 4 team vs 12 teams.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Man this board has become unbearable for me. Every thread just turns into name calling, nobody being wrong, and who has the bigger nuts. I get the frustration but some of y'all need to work on conversation skills. Real debating doesn't turn into name calling and pissing matches. We are all for Mississippi State. 99% of this board can't do a damn thing to influence our football seasons anyway so let's just step back from the ledge and talk amongst ourselves like men and hope and pray our administration does what needs to be done for State to be successful. Hostility and hatred has never had anything good come from it.

I can't remember a time when our fanbase was this dismantled. It's obvious something has to change.

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There's 3 that have made this site practically unbearable to read.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Dude is horrendous and he has a sidekick robin keeping him going.

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You must be tater's Ethel Mertz then.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

You must be tater's Ethel Mertz then.

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winner winner chicken dinner

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Originally Posted by Tater

OU had six WRs injured last year along with Lebby's prized recruit flopping at QB (which Arnold proved again at Auburn this year that it wasn't on Littrell) and went from playing a charmin ultra soft B12 schedule to an SEC schedule. If that's the year you want to hang your hat on for Lebby being good - that's a realllllly bad example and shows how weak the argument for him is.

But my point is each coach achieved higher highs when Lebby was not their OC than they did with him.

(I'm giving every coach a mulligan for 2020 including Lebby - he was 5-5)

Heupel
2018 - 12-1 UCF (potentially playoff berth)
2019 - 10-3 UCF (Lebby OC)
2021 - 7-6 Tennessee
2022 - 11-2 Tennessee (potentially playoff berth)
2023 - 9-4 Tennessee
2024 - 10-3 Tennessee (playoff berth)
2025 - 8-5 Tennessee

Kiffin
2019 - 10-3 FAU
2021 - 10-3 OM Lebby (potentially Playoff Berth)
2022 - 8-5 OM
2023 - 11-2 OM (potentially playoff berth)
2024 - 10-3 OM
2025 - 13-1 OM (playoff berth)

Vegetables
2022 - 6-7 OU - Lebby
2023 - 10-3 OU - Lebby
2024 - 6-7 OU
2025 - 10-3 OU - Playoff berth

All 3 coaches have a playoff berth without Lebby. Only 2021 under Lane does Lebby have a potential playoff berth. It's not rocket science to tell he was not the straw stirring the drink. He did not elevate any programs he was around.

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Again- he was a COORDINATOR. Those aren't supposed to be the "straw that stirs the drink". Your whole premise is an absolute reach because it basically shows that when Lebby leaves the team gets worse. The fact that Oklahoma can hire another good OC or that Ole Miss was good under Kiffin isn't shocking at all. No one thinks that has to do with Lebby being good or bad.

Tater will feel much better if we get some actual quality O linemen for next season.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No, my comprehension is just fine. Yo sated very clearly that teams improved after Lebby. I explained to you how yo were wrong with facts. You got so twisted that you were wrong you turned to the "PLAY OFFS" as if it was the same system then as now. Either you were too stupid to grasp what was being said or you are willfully ignorant. 4 team vs 12 teams.

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Hey look. It's you failing at comprehension again. Don't try again.

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Originally Posted by Tater

7, you might be drunk - I dunno if Pancho has supported lebby today and definitely isn't one who is chest thumping. If anyone - he's cheerleading drunk me like the devil on my shoulder. Which I vibe with honestly.

I'm not as destructively angry as I used to be. It's way better to creatively try to make a spectacle of how dumbass I can say things that we are all feeling.

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Thread winner... I wished we all could be as objective. I'm in for another two years knowing you can't go from what we were/are to where we want to be in only two years. So I set my final judgement aside yet again for a while longer

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Originally Posted by Tater

OU had six WRs injured last year along with Lebby's prized recruit flopping at QB (which Arnold proved again at Auburn this year that it wasn't on Littrell) and went from playing a charmin ultra soft B12 schedule to an SEC schedule. If that's the year you want to hang your hat on for Lebby being good - that's a realllllly bad example and shows how weak the argument for him is.

But my point is each coach achieved higher highs when Lebby was not their OC than they did with him.

(I'm giving every coach a mulligan for 2020 including Lebby - he was 5-5)

Heupel
2018 - 12-1 UCF (potentially playoff berth)
2019 - 10-3 UCF (Lebby OC)
2021 - 7-6 Tennessee
2022 - 11-2 Tennessee (potentially playoff berth)
2023 - 9-4 Tennessee
2024 - 10-3 Tennessee (playoff berth)
2025 - 8-5 Tennessee

Kiffin
2019 - 10-3 FAU
2021 - 10-3 OM Lebby (potentially Playoff Berth)
2022 - 8-5 OM
2023 - 11-2 OM (potentially playoff berth)
2024 - 10-3 OM
2025 - 13-1 OM (playoff berth)

Vegetables
2022 - 6-7 OU - Lebby
2023 - 10-3 OU - Lebby
2024 - 6-7 OU
2025 - 10-3 OU - Playoff berth

All 3 coaches have a playoff berth without Lebby. Only 2021 under Lane does Lebby have a potential playoff berth. It's not rocket science to tell he was not the straw stirring the drink. He did not elevate any programs he was around.

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I really don?t see how you are making some of these comparisons when some of these coaches are changing schools and conferences. Nothing similar about those schedules. The only one to look at would be OK, imo. But like you said, Ok even changed conferences so there?s not really any relative info in that set either. Too many variables.