Luke Kromenhoek to Enter Portal

yes,he is saying that

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Im sure some, yes.
But also guys who coach for a living and played at that level.
We're not talking about a random 3 star. We're talking about a generational talent. A great evaluator should see that and trust it.
LK was a waste of money. It sucks, but he was.

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Literally everyone I know who coached against him and officiated any games he played said the exact same thing about KT. Very talented player but he is raw, its going to take some time with him at the next level.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

We could have signed a juco QB for a fraction of the price.

Let?s not act like Kro showed anything at FSU.

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And people who think like this are sitting at Dolly's drinking coffee saying the Hawks are gonna be really good next year.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We signed a QB that was a four star and had started a couple of games at Florida State as a true freshman.

No coach is going to take a QB from East Central CC over that.

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Correct. And had we not and taken the qb from cc. And shapen gotten hurt early people would have lost their minds of why we didn't sign another qb.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Generational talent who completed 48% of his passes his last game.

There is no way to know how quickly KT would have picked up the playbook at this time last year. He was running an offense that was literally 8-10 plays which is about half of the size of Leach's playbook. And he is still a work in progress and hasn't mastered the offense yet. And he has made some really rapid progress. And STILL isn't completely ready.

Regardless we HAD TO have a third QB. Both Shapen and KT got hurt during the season- albeit KT got hurt on the last play. But coaches can not predict injuries. Shapen who everyone expected to make it through maybe four games actually made it through the season.

NFL teams carry three QB's for a reason.

How bad would you and our fans have railed the coaches if Shapen and KT got hurt and we had to play with Billy Puckett at QB? See the 1998 Egg Bowl if you want to know the result which is what essentially happened to Ole Miss when Romaro Miller got hurt because they didn't have a legit back up because they were on probation.

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Should have read this one before posting the last one! Ha. Yep

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Originally Posted by confucius say

How much did we play LK?

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He wasn't cheap. But qb's aren't. For that matter everyone is over paid.

I would take Arnold if it was for cheap and knowing that he would be the backup but somebody will pay him good money to be the starter.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Kt was evaluated properly.

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Wait. You're saying we evaluated KT and knew he was going to be the number 2 behind Shapen and we STILL went and spent significant 6 figures on LK?? That would have been incredibly dumb of us to spend that kind of money on a guy we knew would be our 3rd string QB.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You may not realize it but you are basically saying that having depth is a waste and a bad thing.

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I'm saying overspending on a 3rd string qb for a team on a budget is stupid. If we had unlimited funds, sure spend significant money on LK.
But we lost out on the OL who went to TT because we were short on the money. Take the money that went to LK and give it to that OL and we our much better.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Literally everyone I know who coached against him and officiated any games he played said the exact same thing about KT. Very talented player but he is raw, going to take some time with him at the next level.

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None of that matters. Our coaches decided he was the clear Number 2 ahead of LK from the first game on.
That's all this conversation is about - whether we should have spent significant money on a third string QB. We should not have. Had we known KT was going to be the clear number 2 there is no way we throw significant money at LK. It was a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Correct. And had we not and taken the qb from cc. And shapen gotten hurt early people would have lost their minds of why we didn't sign another qb.

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No they wouldn't. Because KT was the clear number 2 behind Shapen. Not LK or said hypothetical juco QB. We already had our backup and didn't know it. That's the whole point here.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

He wasn't cheap. But qb's aren't. For that matter everyone is over paid.

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Exactly. Which is why you don't spend significant money on a third string qb. It was a mistake. And I'm a lebby guy. To a fault honestly.
But we missed there and wasted money.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I don't care who you are. Evaluating a hs qb is hard. Evaluating a hs qb from noxubee county is a crap shoot. Be real

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Ray Charles could have seen KT was the real deal--no crap shoot at all. He won everycamp he went to.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

None of that matters. Our coaches decided he was the clear Number 2 ahead of LK from the first game on.
That's all this conversation is about - whether we should have spent significant money on a third string QB. We should not have. Had we known KT was going to be the clear number 2 there is no way we throw significant money at LK. It was a mistake.

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Last time I checked Taylor signed last Dec and Hawk signed in Jan. Both went through spring and then fall camp, so your premise is not even close to on point. The staff had seen neither one on our own field yet to even make depth chart call when they were signed.
You are the king of knowing things that aren't true and a master of selective hindsight when it come to picking apart your perceived inadequacies of this staff.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We signed a QB that was a four star and had started a couple of games at Florida State as a true freshman.

No coach is going to take a QB from East Central CC over that.

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Ga took a qb from Jones and won a Natty Ole Miss took several from Scooba.

We didn't overspend on a 3rd team QB at the time of signings. We did not pay KT much and given he was a raw HS QB playing in a limited system at Nox, he was the 3rd team QB we paid. Now, you can argue we overpaid our 2nd team QB at the time of signing, but given the circumstances (Shapen injury prone and a HS guy) we had to pay him what it costs to get him.

Here is the deal on a backup QB, we can't afford to have a quality backup. We just can't. We have to find a decent Juco or DII QB that is willing to come and play on the cheap.

If KT goes down, what does it matter we aren't winning anything. I would rather go extremely cheap at Backup QB, if it means we can use that money towards an impact DL, OL or WR.

You hope to get lucky like the bears did and find a QB that can be serviceable.

We cannot pay a third string QB the amount of money we paid Kro this past year. IT is inexcusable moving forward.

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Originally Posted by Brahmabull

We did not pay KT much .

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I'm not sure who your source is on this, but you are wrong. Georgia offered him last year and made a very strong NIL offer to him. We did a great job stepping up because we knew how rare it is to have an elite talent like KT that actually wants to come to MSU right now. We were his first choice over GA. Do you know how rare that is? So of course we stepped up.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Here is the deal on a backup QB, we can't afford to have a quality backup. We just can't. We have to find a decent Juco or DII QB that is willing to come and play on the cheap.

If KT goes down, what does it matter we aren't winning anything. I would rather go extremely cheap at Backup QB, if it means we can use that money towards an impact DL, OL or WR.

You hope to get lucky like the bears did and find a QB that can be serviceable.

We cannot pay a third string QB the amount of money we paid Kro this past year. IT is inexcusable moving forward.

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In general, I don't think what you are saying is wrong. I just don't think it applies to where we were in 2025.
We had already seen in 2024 what happens when QB1 goes down and your only option is a True Freshman (MVB) or a RS who hadn't really played (Parson).
Knowing Shapen's injury history, putting ourselves in that position 2 years in a row was not going to cut it. If Shapen had been injured again early in the season we would have been staring down another 2-10 type season.
Bringing in Kro was the right call for 2025. And if I was in Lebby's shoes - coming off a 2-10 season - I'm signing and paying for the best QB I can.

For 2026 we still need a QB2. But, I think because we think KT is durable and can be the guy, and have a pretty solid incoming guy in McWhorter going with a solid FCS/DII/JUCO QB makes sense.
It's all about context