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Originally Posted by msstate7

We've been in the tourney 14 times in our history, and 3 of those are under Jans (.214). It's not hard to see that Jans has done a great job here.

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Damn you must have taken your medication** LOL

Btw since I have been a Msu fan, I can only recall 4 or 5 decent to good coaches. I remember listening to radio with Jack when Babe was coaching who is our GOAT.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Obviously you don't know much about Msu basketball history. We have been to 13 Ncaa tournaments total. Guess how many successful coaches we have had over our history? Jans is old school, with the NIL its a struggle for football and. Asketball for Msu. Coaches are gonna be hard to get.

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"Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver."

We are historically where we have been and lower in the SEC meanwhile the entire SEC floor was raised. Anyone comparing us to past MSU without acknowledging this change in balance of power consolidation to power 2/4 conferences is not interpreting the data correctly.

I have always been a Jans supporter and I still am, but being ranked last in the SEC and #134 NET is definitely concerning. Making the tournament this year would take a Texas A&M 2023 miracle SEC run, but he needs to hit the portal hard and correct this for next year. Dennis Gates had a year like this at Mizzou but he fixed it and just like Gates I think Jans is a good coach and just made some poor evaluations this year.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I have always been a Jans supporter and I still am, but being ranked last in the SEC and #134 NET is definitely concerning. Making the tournament this year would take a Texas A&M 2023 miracle SEC run, but he needs to hit the portal hard and correct this for next year. Dennis Gates had a year like this at Mizzou but he fixed it and just like Gates I think Jans is a good coach and just made some poor evaluations this year.

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We aren't making a run. This season is kaput. Jans will get a chance to fix it next season, and that's exactly how it should be.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We aren't making a run. This season is kaput. Jans will get a chance to fix it next season, and that's exactly how it should be.

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I don't think we will either, but in 2023 aTm had a similar non conference situation that we are in this year. They lost to Wofford, Boise State, Murray State, Colorado and Memphis and then went 15-3 in the SEC and placed 2nd. Not saying I THINK that will happen, but it is kind of a similar situation comparing the resumes and having a few guards on the team that can step up their play.

Jans does get a chance to fix it. But there's no confidence in him succeeding.

I think if we fire him then we should look to hire a rising star coach from another school and poach a lot of their team instead. And I do mean a coach making less than $500k and just giving him a modest raise. $4.2 million to coach this pile of dogshit is ridiculous. Don't spend on the coach just to spend.

I'm a big Jans supporter, but we are at best a 5 win team in league play. Jans missed horribly in the portal. He deserves a year to fix this, but he's got to win next season or he'll be gone.

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Originally Posted by Tater

We havent shown improvement in finish any year under Jans. Our best player he got - we only got cause OM fired their coach.

His style of hustle defense being the most important thing is 20 years behind modern basketball.

Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver.

This year, he's yanked the steering wheel from Ben and crashed us into a ravine.

134th in NET with a top 50 payroll is unacceptable. Losing to San Francisco is unacceptable. Developing Shawn Jones absolutely 0 in four years is unacceptable. Playing Shawn Jones 30+ minutes is unacceptable.

Evaluating against our history - I get why people believe this is blasphemy. But evaluate against reality. Dude doesn't develop players and sucks at roster management. Why the **** are we playing close games with Long Island, San Francisco, New Mexico, New Orleans and Southeastern. Even managing to lose to some of them.

The $ gap between us and those programs is massive. If we give coaches a pass because Kentucky way outspends us on basketball then we gotta ream them for finding ways to lose a bigger gulf in dollars.

We could get the UNO head coach for an eighth of Jan's salary and put the other $3.5 million towards a roster salary. That dude makes like $200k a year right now. With NIL - the coaching salary bubble needs to burst. Jans ain't producing enough WAR to justify $4.2 million a year.

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Great post, everything you said is 100% accurate.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We've been in the tourney 14 times in our history, and 3 of those are under Jans (.214). It's not hard to see that Jans has done a great job here.

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What does that have to do with Jones playing way too many minutes per game? If he has to play him, well that?s 100% on Jan?s! No one can explain that into a positive.

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Originally Posted by Thick

What does that have to do with Jones playing way too many minutes per game? If he has to play him, well that?s 100% on Jan?s! No one can explain that into a positive.

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It has absolutely nothing to do with it. I read "what is the love of Jans", which you didn't post. I will read better in the future, apologies

No problem. It?s all good

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I don't think we will either, but in 2023 aTm had a similar non conference situation that we are in this year. They lost to Wofford, Boise State, Murray State, Colorado and Memphis and then went 15-3 in the SEC and placed 2nd. Not saying I THINK that will happen, but it is kind of a similar situation comparing the resumes and having a few guards on the team that can step up their play.

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Yeah, I agree. I don't think we have a great year in SEC but we might win a few more than we think if things start to gel. You never know. Just Hubbard, Epps and McGee are potential 75pts on any given night. That gives you a shot in some games.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Jans does get a chance to fix it. But there's no confidence in him succeeding.

I think if we fire him then we should look to hire a rising star coach from another school and poach a lot of their team instead. And I do mean a coach making less than $500k and just giving him a modest raise. $4.2 million to coach this pile of dogshit is ridiculous. Don't spend on the coach just to spend.

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Is Jans making 4.2? Wow, way too much. Our ROI on basketball this year is real bad for sure.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Is Jans making 4.2? Wow, way too much. Our ROI on basketball this year is real bad for sure.

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4.4 million. 20th highest paid coach in college bball

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Originally Posted by Tater

"Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver."

We are historically where we have been and lower in the SEC meanwhile the entire SEC floor was raised. Anyone comparing us to past MSU without acknowledging this change in balance of power consolidation to power 2/4 conferences is not interpreting the data correctly.

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The players apparently hate Jans. He seems to be a brash, yelling dick type coach. I?m told that?s the main reason we lost players last year.

People aren?t gravitating to a coach like that, especially not staying.

He deserves some grace, however.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

The players apparently hate Jans. He seems to be a brash, yelling dick type coach. I?m told that?s the main reason we lost players last year.

People aren?t gravitating to a coach like that, especially not staying.

He deserves some grace, however.

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Coaching is difficult because you need to be able to do it without leaning too far one way or another. If you go to far the other way, you have a Moorhead situation. That is why it can be difficult to find coaches who the players respect but at the same time are not going overboard with the yelling and screaming.

A different era for sure but Richard Williams was the "harsh and demanding" coach and Stansbury was the "re-assurer and comforter". When Stans became the HC, Robert Kirby became the firm and tough coach as an assistant while Stans maintained that comforting coach I was told and when Kirby left for Georgetown was when the team discipline appeared to be lost. My point, I definitely believe it takes both roles to manage a team, especially a unit as small as a basketball team. So who plays the comforter and reassuring role now?

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Originally Posted by deltadawg63

A different era for sure but Richard Williams was the "harsh and demanding" coach and Stansbury was the "re-assurer and comforter". When Stans became the HC, Robert Kirby became the firm and tough coach as an assistant while Stans maintained that comforting coach I was told and when Kirby left for Georgetown was when the team discipline appeared to be lost. My point, I definitely believe it takes both roles to manage a team, especially a unit as small as a basketball team. So who plays the comforter and reassuring role now?

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This would line up with the timeline of our basketball team becoming less disciplined. Stans definitely was more passive and it is evident by the way the team played pre 2010 to post 2010. I think this held Stans back from being a better overall coach. He was a great recruiter though given the history of our basketball program pre Richard Williams.

they got memphis tomorrow