Arnett back in at DC.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No I do have a clue. Say whatever you want to make yourself feel better this is a horseshit move by Lebby.

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Haha why? Because Todd4State says it is? Explain why. You're overreacting as usual

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Oh. Games. Recruits. Fan Support. Other than that we should be fine.

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The only one he seems to have lost so far is you. Haha

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

The only one he seems to have lost so far is you. Haha

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1 sec win in 2 years, cool.
Hiring a successful sec DC, not cool.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's a bit more personal with Arnett. It's one thing to give the guy that robbed someone else's house a second chance and it's another to give the guy that robbed your house a second chance.

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So it's personal. Got it. That's all you had to say.

People change. And if not, he won't last. Sorry you had something personal happen.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Haha why? Because Todd4State says it is? Explain why. You're overreacting as usual

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We just brought back the guy that got us into this mess. When he was fired he lost the entire team. He lied to our players multiple times and painting him as some sort of victim is wrong- he wanted the job. And then he was terrible at it. We wanted a good recruiter at DC and Arnett is not that either. Blame Emerick, Dudek whoever you want but guess what? It got worse when he left.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So it's personal. Got it. That's all you had to say.

People change. And if not, he won't last. Sorry you had something personal happen.

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Should be personal to all of us. Say whatever you want to cope. This is a bad hire and a bad day for Mississippi State football.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You never know how things will turn out, but this is a home run hire for us in the situation we're currently in. Grand slam? No. Home run, absolutely.
Arnett had our Defense consistently in the Top 5 of the SEC, and that was with them on the field all freaking game under Leach's offense. Now you combine Arnett's defense with Lebby's desire to run the ball more and control the ball a little....it could be a wonderful scenario.


Again, I'm not saying it couldn't also go south...but I'd say there is a much better chance of it working than not. Especially compared to the garbage pile Hutzler put on the field

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You are misremembering. We were #1 in the SEC in time of possession in 2021 under Leach. We didn?t run tempo. We burned the clock.

This is the most 17n MSU bullsh!t I have ever seen. The fact that we are hiring this guy back after what happened and that he would give us the time of day tells me everything I need to know.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He was part of it. He had a chance to do the right thing. He didn't. Arnett should not come back. He's an awful human being. He isn't even that good of a coach and he can't recruit.

This is a horrible decision by Lebby.

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As we’re way too many others. Until you people begin to understand the depth of the dumb17erey that we are trying to dig out of its just not going to make any sense. This sux and this situation shows as has been mentioned here how difficult for us to attract football coaches. This is due to a lack of continuity and funding with the program going back 8 years now. It’s not going to get fixed fast like you think. We are still having to rebuild the foundations that were shaky then completely blown apart. It’s a hard 17ing gig.

Two burning questions:

1. Does Arnett hold any personal resentment toward Lebby? It's totally natural if he does. Imagine if you took over a team in a tough spot, got fired midway through your first year with a total record of 5-6 (counting the previous year's bowl game), with 3 Power Conference wins, and then your replacement is much worse the next year and keeps his job, gets back to your level in year 2 and keeps his job. I know some will argue that when you look deeper, Lebby's 7-17 (1-15) is not actually as bad Arnett's 5-6 (1-6) and we have debated that endlessly here, but you Arnett himself isn't going to agree with that position. I just don't see any way that some level of personal feelings about his job and his replacement don't come into play here.

2. If Lebby gets fired mid-year, does this mean Arnett is the interim head coach? Are the rogue boosters who put Arnett into the HC job in the first place hoping for that? Or is it the opposite - did pro-Lebby boosters target Arnett as insurance against a mid-season firing?

I mean after Arnett left, Golding?s defense didn?t look exactly ?great? this year. You had Ole Miss fans wanting him back.

Look at some point you have to realize we now paired the hot up and comer OC that?s now our HC with the former hot and up comer DC that LSU wanted. Arnett didn?t wanna be a HC and that compounded with a select group of overreaching boosters who wanted their buds in charge. Surround him with some guys who can recruit and bring in talent this may be a helluva story. Save the money on the coach and get the jimmies and joes.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We just brought back the guy that got us into this mess. When he was fired he lost the entire team. He lied to our players multiple times and painting him as some sort of victim is wrong- he wanted the job. And then he was terrible at it. We wanted a good recruiter at DC and Arnett is not that either. Blame Emerick, Dudek whoever you want but guess what? It got worse when he left.

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So is Golding the one that's to blame if Ole Miss goes south? I mean, Todd, you're in your feels...but the death of Leach got us in this. Arnett contributed but he was not HC material...our folks are to blame for hiring him, you can't blame Arnett for taking a HC job and millions. Should he have said "nah, I'm good"? Come on man. You're taking a personal thing and trying to smear someone over it. You have a personal thing, fine...but the other stuff is not on him.
That's like if someone asks me to be POTUS, I'm taking it....may not be in good shape after 4 years, but I'm taking it. Don't blame me if the country makes that dumb decision though.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

You are misremembering. We were #1 in the SEC in time of possession in 2021 under Leach. We didn?t run tempo. We burned the clock.

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I believe it was called the airbone by some. And it damn sure held on to the football.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Should be personal to all of us. Say whatever you want to cope. This is a bad hire and a bad day for Mississippi State football.

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I don't have to cope. A statue is better than Hutzler. This is a win, period. You're coping

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

You are misremembering. We were #1 in the SEC in time of possession in 2021 under Leach. We didn?t run tempo. We burned the clock.

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FEI def...
2020 - 31st
2021 - 34th
2022 - 11th

That's very solid.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

I mean after Arnett left, Golding?s defense didn?t look exactly ?great? this year. You had Ole Miss fans wanting him back.

Look at some point you have to realize we now paired the hot up and comer OC that?s now our HC with the former hot and up comer DC that LSU wanted. Arnett didn?t wanna be a HC and that compounded with a select group of overreaching boosters who wanted their buds in charge. Surround him with some guys who can recruit and bring in talent this may be a helluva story. Save the money on the coach and get the jimmies and joes.

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Exactly, we need dudes, going to have to overpay but that is the world we live in. Let’s go.

You guys are mad at the wrong people and I?ll just leave it at that. But I?ll point you in the right direction-President of our university.

And all those years of neglecting the football program to better the baseball program and women?s sports and taking money from the athletic program to fund academics, all lead back to one man. It gets compounded when you have a good ole boy network from North Mississippi and Madison who always want ?their guys? on staff.

Eh... I don't love it, but i don't hate it either... he was a horrible HC, but a fairly good DC. The talent he had to work with wasn't optimal, but ML controlled the TOP pretty well. As with most things, if we ball out in the portal he'll look great and if we don't they'll be gone this time next year...

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Exactly, we need dudes, going to have to overpay but that is the world we live in. Let’s go.

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Our fans have champagne taste on natty light budgets. Always have been and always will. Would rather win ?doing it right? than doing what every one else would. But hey, we have a baseball program with one national championship and a $60MM stadium that loses $4MM every year. Meanwhile our football program, in a bad year, still makes money and we don?t have nearly as many as off field analysts as f?in Vanderbilt.

Who is better that would be a viable option to take the job?