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You are so lost. You think Lane was going to kill his recruiting class at LSU just to be able to coach at Ole Miss for another month? No.No one wants to be in a Penn State situation. No coach is killing signing day at their future school.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Illinois????????
Carter couldn't do that. Lane's k with OM had incentives in it for every win. Take that chance away from him by suspending him would have resulted in a slam dunk lawsuit with hefty damages.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I caught that too. All those Midwest states are the same anyway. Ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Haha good catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Can one of you DOGS tell me why Carter would not let LK come coach the CFP because he is now coaching elsewhere BUT.......... They will let the off cord that is now coaching elsewhere come and coach om for the playoffs???
They need Weis simply to call plays. Kiffin was vague and wouldn't give a credible response to anything because he knew all along he was leaving for the bayou
It’s kinda like this. You have a kid who tells you IF you don’t buy me a brand new car I’m gonna destroy your expensive SUV. So you ok I’m gonna go get whatever you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1eyedog
It’s all about Kiffin, he is a joke as a human being. Bill Cowher ripped Kiffin apart and most agree with him. He warned LSU recruits about Kiffin. Everywhere Kiffin has been he has caused problems.
Typical Ole Miss tactic. Try to pin someone in so that they are forced to do Ole Miss's bidding. In this case, Carter tried to make it into an either you leave or you coach us in the playoff option in the hopes that it would make Kiffin stay. The crazy thing to me about it is Carter apparently was too cocky in thinking that there was no way that Kiffin would choose to leave over coaching in the playoffs that he obviously has no back up plan in case Kiffin chose to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1eyedog
Honestly, Carter made Cohen look like a pro the way that he handled a similar situation with Dan Mullen in 2017. Sure, Moorhead didn't work but I feel like Moorhead had a better chance of working than Golding does.
And I would be a bit nervous about Weis coming back to coach for the playoffs if I was Ole Miss. Very good chance that Weis is going to tamper with the players that Lane wants to bring to Baton Rouge.
The way this ended was completely predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
It has only happened every single time Kiffin left anywhere. Ole Miss should be VERY thankful that they had Kiffin for six years. He would have been gone three years ago if his daughter didn't talk him out of taking Auburn. And then the house settlement limited coaching changes in the SEC from 2023-2024. Him leaving was inevitable.
This is not what happened. Kiffin didn't threaten anyone until Ole Miss threatened him. Kiffin was under an 8 year contract and when he refused to just bow down to Ole Miss and do what they demanded him do (without any leverage at all) he told them to go screw themselves. If you are at your place of employment and under an 8 year contract and they come to you and demand you sign another extension on top of that or you will be fired immediately when you have much better job opportunities on the table what would you do? I know I would not respond kindly. You are painting Kiffin as the villain when the real problem was OM doing the poot and point. Those ungrateful bastards are the reason this happened. They want to win the perception war and when he took a job in the same conference it told everyone that Ole Miss was second tier, and they can't stand that. Everyone but them knows LSU is a tier or 2 above them in prestige, but in their minds that is their "real rival" (yea f*cking right) and it hurt their ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Look, I don't care for either Ole Dixie or Kiffin. They both got what they deserve. Kiffin actually started all this with his agent getting offers and told Carter what the offers where, then Ole Dixie said they would match but Kiffin said or told them he hasn't decided, which was bull because he knew if he said yes it would cause problems him finishing the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Hey, I will just say we agree to disagree, but both didn't handle this very well. Btw, Eli has stepped into this pile of sh*t with comments about Kiffin now, one thing is certain, it has hurt both Ole Dixie and Kiffin with the way things have gone and now law suits. I love it!
I do know that Kiffin is a spoiled brat and troll. This is what gets me about OM. They LOVED that sh*t when he was doing it the past 6 years and now they poked the bear and it ain't so funny any more. But I don't think Kiffin getting offers and telling his boss what the offers were is a bad thing. He was being up front. That's the most you can ask for. What did he get for being up front? They tried to box him in and force his hand and then painted him as a villain for not making the choice they wanted. He could have been a real ass and told them he didn't have any other offers and left them surprised on signing day if he had wanted to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I kinda get what you are saying but there wouldn't have been a surprised leaving. You had 2 in conference schools talking to Kiffin. Carter knew almost at the same time because there can't be a hushed back room deal in place. It's a very very small AD fraternity and protocol requirements in place. Especially inside conference. It would have made it easier for Carter if Lane had lied to be honest because he already knew who was talking to Lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Oh it could have been kept hush hush until after the season. He could have let his agent do all the talking back room stuff and only started talking to them himself when the egg bowl was over, but he did not do that. Kiffin did not think that they were going to react this way because they had kissed his ass so hard for the past 6 years. He underestimated how 2 faced those people are when you are no longer useful to them and it cost him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Naw, that's not how it goes down. There's really not these hush hush backroom deals inside the conference. Once it's past that first, Jimmy is Lane interested in us, everything after that gets out and known inside the conference circle. Then you add there were 2 schools after him in conference, nobody is keeping that hush hush. Once the schools AD's are involved, all the other AD's know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
He could have told his agent that he is interested but wants to wait until the season is over to go forward with anything and told him if this gets out then I'm not going to either school and it would not have gotten out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Kiffin's ego and arrogance was the problem. Why on earth does it take weeks to decide on leaving or staying. You can say well he wants to coach till the end; I'm just not one that likes it with hanging around when you agree to leave. If what Eli said about Kiffin not being in team meetings the week of the Egg Bowl is true says a lot. Yep, the team didn't need Kiffin to beat us so....
No doubt Carter was 50% of the problem, The problem was mainly Kiffin for dragging things out, if he would have told them he was leaving earlier, things might have been different.
He dragged it out because Ole Miss put him in a corner and told him once he made his decision they wanted him gone if it was not them. He was not deciding or torn. He was trying to use that time to talk them into letting him coach his team throughout the playoffs. The team he built. He is the reason they are where they are and he wanted to finish what HE built. They are letting the OC stay and he is not coaching them after the playoffs. Why is that? That guy has just as much incentive as Kiffin does to poach players.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
He could have done that, sure. Of course, as soon as LSU & Florida come open, I'm seeing if Lane will sign an extension with me as well. Now not like Carter did but I'm gauging where he's at with his thinking. I'm not going to be left standing with no options when the music stops right after the egg bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius