Just here to say that we have money issues.. not coaching

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Our fans are not willing to give a HC time to develop the program and players. We are under the misguided impression that we have the NIL dollars to flip the roster with a ready made team and if that does not happen, we fire everybody.

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I think if fans see the development they may be more patient but we have multiple offensive and defensive linemen that show virtually no improvement in the two years Lebby has been here.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

It?s simple. We care more about baseball than football or basketball. We are not all in. For football specific, I was told this by a long time booster and money guy this morning:

The problem in Starkville is the lack of football knowledge with a large amount of arrogance mixed on top of it. Opinions are built based on access and people being nice to folks. Knowledge without personality is run out of town. Funny how we always overvalue West Point, Louisville, and Starkville and undervalue more rural areas.

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Nailed it. Of course, this describes most of the decisions made in Mississippi.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Look back at past decisions and you can tell we are not all in on our football program. Never have been outside of a few years with Mullen and Jackie. We continue to shoot ourselves in the foot.

I mean we have a certain group of people on AD office that have been here too long. Reason why we had to bring Peterson, Will Friend, Bumphis, and Turner back. I mean what has Turner done besides ride off the success of Chris Jones? He hasn?t produced a DL in a long time. A lot of our issues on defense are him trying to play gap contain and not create penetration with his DL. Same guy told Will Echoles at OM he was never going to be a SEC DL. Kalvin Dinkins and Trevion Williams have not improved one bit since getting on campus three years ago with Turner.

Everyone wants to tag the line of ?hiring friends? our boosters do that in football with every damn hire. Amazing some of our best years are with guys people hated because they didn?t have access?Mullen/Leach/Jackie.

Maybe certain old heads need to look themselves in the mirror and realize it isn?t the same day and age as it use to be. And don?t give me the adage ?we don?t have money?. We have it. A lot more than people care to admit. It?s time for us to start going all in like the guys up north.

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Auburn like

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We are having to pinch pennies unlike Ole Miss or most on our schedule. An example is Hardy. You the guy that ran all over us last night? We had to pass on him due to money. We went with option 2 to save money to be able to spend elsewhere.

I see so much jealously of Ole Miss on here without the understanding. Lane Kiffin does exactly what you are complaining that Lebby does. Lane went for it on 4th inside his own 20 on the road vs OU this season. He did it verses Bama 2 years ago. In fact he lost that game. The OU game this year, he had the talent to make up for it.

This isn't a poor ole state. It's a simple truth and it is what it is. Until we get way more money in NIL we are going to have this same discussion over and over no matter who the QB is nor the HC is. It's always going to be somebody's fault that our 3 star OL could not block a 5 star DL and LB rather than understanding our lack of purchasing power.

When you get to that point, you begin to grasp how well this staff has done with what we have. We should not have been in the Tenn, Tx, TAMU, UF, nor Mizzou game at any point.


I love MSU! I will always watch til the end. But this constant blaming everybody except for THE issue is mind numbing.

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This is the way.

So money issues caused Lebby to run a qb keeper 7 straight times(or however many) on the goal line?😂

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

So money issues caused Lebby to run a qb keeper 7 straight times(or however many) on the goal line?��

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We did not do that. Thats been explained. Both Qbs made the same read where we have the numbers inside the box. That means more hats than they do and we could not block. At the same time, that means they put their numbers to defend pass. Those are RPOs.

But the reason they were not successful is due to the lack of talent on the Line. which is a money issue.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We did not do that. Thats been explained. Both Qbs made the same read where we have the numbers inside the box. That means more hats than they do and we could not block. At the same time, that means they put their numbers to defend pass. Those are RPOs.

But the reason they were not successful is due to the lack of talent on the Line. which is a money issue.

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I was with you until this one. If you know your line sucks, and you know the P in the RPO won't have time, you call a different freaking play. You're the coach. 7 straight times you think the OL is going to magically get better on one of them? Nope. You lose me on that one.

Those of you who think we are going to take money given specifically for baseball and give it to football need to do one of two things. 1) Find a new football program to cheer for. 2) see number 1!

Yall can stop with your crapping on baseball too while you are looking for another school football program. It ain?t gonna change. Get over it! Sell your homes and cars and boats and kids and give it to the football program if you want. Otherwise accept that as long as State is IN THE SEC State will be a 5-7 team at best and a 2-10 team at worst. Some of us just ain?t got the money to pour into a program that even our administration fails to take seriously and go hire a winning head coach and pay them $8 to $10 million, and spend all the money earmarked for facility improvements on buying football players.

How much did they pay for the LED lighting to have 1 night game this year? Asinine!!!

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It will be easier to get donations when we have a coach that our fans like and believe in.

Maybe Lebby can still be that guy if he wins the Egg Bowl, but outside of that, he's a lame duck and we'll have someone new in 2027.

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Hey thickskull thats what I am saying. We arent going to believe in any coach until we field the talent required to have said coach succeed

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

Hey thickskull thats what I am saying. We arent going to believe in any coach until we field the talent required to have said coach succeed

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We had the talent to succeed this year. Lebby alone cost us wins against Florida and Texas by being a dumbass who wasn't ready for an SEC head coaching job.

Let me say it again: We had the talent to be a 7-5/8-4 type team this year. Maybe a little better if we had a really good coach. But because of Lebby we underachieved.

We got unexpectedly lucky that the schedule wasn't as bad as we thought, and we still likely don't even make a bowl. What happens next year if the luck switches and the schedule is actually harder than we think? That could easily happen with LSU and Auburn replacing their coaches, especially if Ole Miss and Vanderbilt are able to keep theirs.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

We had the talent to succeed this year. Lebby alone cost us wins against Florida and Texas by being a dumbass who wasn't ready for an SEC head coaching job.

Let me say it again: We had the talent to be a 7-5/8-4 type team this year. Maybe a little better if we had a really good coach. But because of Lebby we underachieved.

We got unexpectedly lucky that the schedule wasn't as bad as we thought, and we still likely don't even make a bowl. What happens next year if the luck switches and the schedule is actually harder than we think? That could easily happen with LSU and Auburn replacing their coaches, especially if Ole Miss and Vanderbilt are able to keep theirs.

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You can scream it from the roof tops and it doesnt make it true. The worst O and D line in the league and you dont even need stats to prove it, regular eyeballs can tell you that.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

According to Lebby in his post game interview.. he said the QB runs was part of their gameplan. Said they thought they could utilize it against Mizz defense. I get they are rpo plays. But if it doesn't work and clearly isn't working.. you can't keep going to it and expect a different outcome. That is my problem with Lebby. He literally kept trying,trying, and trying it. Roll the QB outside the pocket. Give it to a RB. Get in the I formation. Idc what he calls but QB draw, rpo, whatever it was... did not work and he literally kept rolling with it. Now I'm not a coach so I don't wanna sound like a know it all cause I'm not. But decisions have been questionable to say the least. I'm just aggravated. We definitely, definitely need more money tho. No argument from me there.

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Lebby has ZERO in game situational awareness. None. He's the worst I've ever seen.

Leach would have won 8 games this season with the same money. Mullen would have won at least 7. Malzahn would have won at least 7. And the list goes on and on.

We have a coaching problem number one!!! The money would elevate that to 9 wins or more, but a good coach would have us winning and the money would flow.

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

You can scream it from the roof tops and it doesnt make it true. The worst O and D line in the league and you dont even need stats to prove it, regular eyeballs can tell you that.

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I don't have to shout anything from the rooftops. Anyone who watched either of those games knows it to be true. We didn't lose to Florida or Texas because of talent, we lost because our coach was in over his head.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Those of you who think we are going to take money given specifically for baseball and give it to football need to do one of two things. 1) Find a new football program to cheer for. 2) see number 1!

Yall can stop with your crapping on baseball too while you are looking for another school football program. It ain?t gonna change. Get over it! Sell your homes and cars and boats and kids and give it to the football program if you want. Otherwise accept that as long as State is IN THE SEC State will be a 5-7 team at best and a 2-10 team at worst. Some of us just ain?t got the money to pour into a program that even our administration fails to take seriously and go hire a winning head coach and pay them $8 to $10 million, and spend all the money earmarked for facility improvements on buying football players.

How much did they pay for the LED lighting to have 1 night game this year? Asinine!!!

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8 million is chump change. SMU is paying 4 million more than that.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

We had the talent to succeed this year. Lebby alone cost us wins against Florida and Texas by being a dumbass who wasn't ready for an SEC head coaching job.

Let me say it again: We had the talent to be a 7-5/8-4 type team this year. Maybe a little better if we had a really good coach. But because of Lebby we underachieved.

We got unexpectedly lucky that the schedule wasn't as bad as we thought, and we still likely don't even make a bowl. What happens next year if the luck switches and the schedule is actually harder than we think? That could easily happen with LSU and Auburn replacing their coaches, especially if Ole Miss and Vanderbilt are able to keep theirs.

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No we did not. We just luckily fail into being in those games? LMAO! What? 2 sides to the coin. He put us in position to win those games with lesser talent. TX leaned on their top recruited players to win at the end when our horses were tired. That's the difference in Roster showing up.

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

You can scream it from the roof tops and it doesnt make it true. The worst O and D line in the league and you dont even need stats to prove it, regular eyeballs can tell you that.

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Winner winner!

Love how some people think all things are equal. They seem to truly think that a 3 star OL is as good and should be equal to a 5 star DE. Why even have rankings? Hell they are all the same. I watch Lewis get juked out of position a lot leaving the QB blind sided.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Winner winner!

Love how some people think all things are equal. They seem to truly think that a 3 star OL is as good and should be equal to a 5 star DE. Why even have rankings? Hell they are all the same. I watch Lewis get juked out of position a lot leaving the QB blind sided.

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Literally no one is saying anything resembling this. The Lebby Hive Mind has become completely out of touch with reality as far as what the arguments against him are. We all know that there is a talent gap that we may never be able to overcome. That's why it's so important to have a coach who can scrape out every win we have a chance at, because some games (such as A&M and Georgia this year) we'll be so outmatched and have almost no chance. No one is holding those 2 games against Lebby.

Despite being full of "talent" (or what was perceived to be talent in the offseason), 3-9 Florida was a winnable game, and our team, OL and DL included, played well enough to win, but Lebby's coaching let us down. Texas (overrated all year with an overhyped and overpaid QB) was also a game where they played well enough to win, but somehow Lebby neglected to run clock. Anyone who watched those games knows that they're all on Lebby and his coaching.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

There's no way possible he's been here the entire year and only knows 1/3 of the playbook. It's not rocket science and you have the coach in your helmet for an extended period of time.

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Lebby has 90 plays. Shapen and Taylor know all 84. Luke knows like 30. Leb doesn?t trust KT because in the Florida game, he called three RPOs that had guys open and KT ran it instead.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We did not do that. Thats been explained. Both Qbs made the same read where we have the numbers inside the box. That means more hats than they do and we could not block. At the same time, that means they put their numbers to defend pass. Those are RPOs.

But the reason they were not successful is due to the lack of talent on the Line. which is a money issue.

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Well that doesn’t say much for our coaches to continue to allow the same crap to happen. A half way smart coach will override something that is not working.