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11-08-2025, 08:18 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

His dad is nothing to worry about.

Good
11-08-2025, 08:32 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Rejlector84sports

In watching highly sucessful teams in the SEC it always seems the have-nots have one major factor in common -- those who become head coaches turn over play-calling to assistants. You can say Kiffen is the exact opposite, but you cannot deny the fact if it were not for Saban having him OC at Bama made him able to do so. I would also like to point out how Moorehead was always claimed to be the best OC in the country and absolutely ruined everything when he showed that a HC he was not. We know Lebby was a top OC at Oklahoma, but as long as most of his attention is on one side of the ball the other sides will suffer. Mullen was successful as an OC and as HC for State, but he showed true colors at Florida. We need a head coach who can contribute but leave the call playing itself to someone else and just run the program.

Coaching matters less than ever probably. Our general problem isn't our coaches. We have improved and we scored 21 points on a top 5 team with a freshman QB playing half the game. Right now Lebby's offense is ahead of where Dan's was at the same point.

Our problem is we need more players and we need better players. The reason why we are better this year than last year is because our players are better. But we still need more.

That's why Saban was so good at Alabama. He had the best players. When he was with the Dolphins he sucked because the players weren't good relatively speaking in the NFL. Bill Walsh didn't become Bill Walsh until Joe Montana, Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott showed up. And look at Bellichick's record with the Browns. He gets Tom Brady and all of a sudden he figured it out? Not a coincidence. Had some other really good players too like Welker, Woolfork, Seau, Rodney Harrison, Moss, etc.

Moorhead was the top OC because he had a guy named Saquon Barkley running the ball for him.

So our path to being what we want to be is simple- we must acquire better players which is something that MSU fans have historically been resistant to doing. If Ole Miss and Vanderbilt can do it- so can MSU.
11-08-2025, 08:53 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So our path to being what we want to be is simple- we must acquire better players which is something that MSU fans have historically been resistant to doing. If Ole Miss and Vanderbilt can do it- so can MSU.

You had such a good post going until you ended it here. Both those schools have way more money than we do. This is the Era of buying a roster and we dont have the greenbacks the rest of the SEC does
11-08-2025, 08:58 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Coach34

You had such a good post going until you ended it here. Both those schools have way more money than we do. This is the Era of buying a roster and we dont have the greenbacks the rest of the SEC does

We do. We just do not have the commitment and buy in they do.
11-08-2025, 08:59 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach34

You had such a good post going until you ended it here. Both those schools have way more money than we do. This is the Era of buying a roster and we dont have the greenbacks the rest of the SEC does

Maybe not Vanderbilt but we have money and we have enough to improve from where we are now. For MSU it's a buy in problem.
11-08-2025, 09:00 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Maybe not Vanderbilt but we have money and we have enough to improve from where we are now. For MSU it's a buy in problem.

1000% Todd
11-08-2025, 09:08 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I just watched Candy's HC pass on kicking the FG with a minute left in a tie game to go for it on 4th and 1. Didnt get it.

Analytics have changed the way coaches make decisions now. Hell, our team in HS went for it on 4th down inside our own 40 about 7-8 times this season.

I hate analytics. It removes the feel of the game, who's in who's out. I wish they would have never become a thing.
11-08-2025, 09:12 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We do. We just do not have the commitment and buy in they do.

Never have with Mississippi but you see Candy stepping up and throwing money to be good. I never in my life thought I would witness Candy having better skill people than 2/3 of the SEC
11-08-2025, 09:14 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Never have with Mississippi but you see Candy stepping up and throwing money to be good. I never in my life thought I would witness Candy having better skill people than 2/3 of the SEC

A lot of that is Kill brought Pavia and Stowers. They are both REALLY GOOD.
11-08-2025, 09:16 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

I hate analytics. It removes the feel of the game, who's in who's out. I wish they would have never become a thing.

agree. It made me quit watching MLB baseball. I've watched 3 games since the Cubs won the WS. All of them are when I took my kids to watch the Rangers in Dallas
11-08-2025, 09:17 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

A lot of that is Kill brought Pavia and Stowers. They are both REALLY GOOD.

Yeah but they got alot more than just those 2 and I expect them to buy another QB in that mold this offseason
11-08-2025, 09:19 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We do. We just do not have the commitment and buy in they do.

Yes.

We have two billionaires that refuse to give to athletics. One billionaire at Texas Tech decided to go all in on football and they are the #7 team in the country.

The older people I talk to through work think we are going to put the genie back in the bottle and this NIL thing is just a fad. They are absolutely clueless on how modern college sports operates. They are stuck in 1995. They are adamant they are not giving money to buy players. They think we should be recruiting the players that play for pride, the love of State and not the love of money. Again, totally clueless on how modern sports operates.
11-08-2025, 09:31 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

The older people I talk to through work think we are going to put the genie back in the bottle and this NIL thing is just a fad. They are absolutely clueless on how modern college sports operates. They are stuck in 1995. They are adamant they are not giving money to buy players. They think we should be recruiting the players that play for pride, the love of State and not the love of money. Again, totally clueless on how modern sports operates.

Yeah- tell them they are clueless morons. We have kids making business decisions in HS on Friday nights.

Our ****ing kicker that is signing with A&M in December is one of the top kickers in the country. He ran away from making a tackle on a KO return for a TD because he didnt want to risk getting hurt. It makes me ****ing sick
11-08-2025, 09:33 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

I hate analytics. It removes the feel of the game, who's in who's out. I wish they would have never become a thing.

Here's the problem with analytics- baseball fan speaking here- a lot of those stats are based off of a lot of data. The issue is it's not that cut and dried. Going for it on fourth down against Georgia and Georgia State in that situation are two different animals.

Now, in Lebby's defense it did look like the play was there and was open and we made a bad throw. But I still personally did not like going for it because we were down and a field goal would have made it a seven point game.

And taking the punt/offense BS where we jumped offsides and gave them another TD it would have been a two possession game with the field goal and ended up being a three possession game.
11-08-2025, 09:33 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yeah- tell them they are clueless morons. We have kids making business decisions in HS on Friday nights.

Our ****ing kicker that is signing with A&M in December is one of the top kickers in the country. He ran away from making a tackle on a KO return for a TD because he didnt want to risk getting hurt. It makes me ****ing sick

Wow.
11-08-2025, 09:41 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Wow.

Yes- he could have literally stopped the guy from returning his kickoff that he mishit because he can kick it into the end zone every time- but instead of closing it down with the other guy and making the tackle he drifted back into the center of the field to open up the gap even more. He ran like a girl- it was pathetic

Good luck with that A&M
11-08-2025, 09:42 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And taking the punt/offense BS where we jumped offsides and gave them another TD it would have been a two possession game with the field goal and ended up being a three possession game.

I'll hijack the thread and say why is it even legal for a team to do that? Oklahoma's play to have a player secretly on the field scoring a TD was banned (not called, unfortunately) because it was considered an unsportsmanlike trick. Why isn't Georgia's fakeout mass substitution also banned?
11-08-2025, 09:45 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

I hate analytics. It removes the feel of the game, who's in who's out. I wish they would have never become a thing.

Analytaly [sp] kickers score a lot of points.

NFL History - Points Leaders
Leaders: Touchdowns | Scoring | Rush | Rush TDs | Receiving | Pass Yards | Pass Comp | Pass TDs | Interceptions | Sacks
LeadersSuper Bowl WinnersSuper Bowl MVPs
Points Leaders
RK PLAYER PTS
1 Adam Vinatieri 2,673
2 Morten Andersen 2,544
3 Gary Anderson 2,434
4 Jason Hanson 2,150
5 John Carney 2,062
6 Matt Stover 2,004
7 George Blanda 2,002
8 Jason Elam 1,983
9 John Kasay 1,970
10 Robbie Gould 1,961
11 Mason Crosby 1,939
12 Sebastian Janikowski 1,913
13 Stephen Gostkowski 1,875
14 MATT PRATER 1,869
15 Phil Dawson 1,847
16 NICK FOLK 1,780
17 Justin Tucker 1,775
18 Matt Bryant 1,758
19 Norm Johnson 1,736
20 David Akers 1,721
11-08-2025, 10:10 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We have a better chance to beat Mizzou than win the Egg

Well yeah obviously. My statement is worst case, which is already meaning we met expectations for this season
11-08-2025, 10:13 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Well yeah obviously. My statement is worst case, which is already meaning we met expectations for this season

I will go as far as saying if we beat Mizzou we are going to win the Egg Bowl and if we lose, we may lose the Egg Bowl by 3 scores.

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