You can question coaching decisions and still be on board. This isn't politics where you pick sides and hate everything about the other side. Those of you that see it that way are tunnel visioned.
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You can question coaching decisions and still be on board. This isn't politics where you pick sides and hate everything about the other side. Those of you that see it that way are tunnel visioned.
It's a win in the sec. Progress that only results in closer losses is hard to sell to me, but progress that results in a win shouldn't be discounted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
Every word of this, not just the bolded part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
A lot of people are gloating over this but don't seem to realize that most people critizing Lebby had already given the disclaimer that if we won an SEC game, they would forgive the BS losses of this season and move forward. Some people are acting like they should pack their stuff and leave. We turned a corner tonight, but came within 1m of becoming a dumpster fire in what would have been Lebby's best team at MSU, including next season (which would've been his last). This is a psychological enterprise and there is a sh*t ton of butterfly effect when it comes to recruiting, keeping your own players, perception in media, morale in the locker room, willingness of people to donate, buy in of fanbase, and dozen other things. We got the monkey off our back which was necessary to move forward, but it almost didn't happen. Some people sound almost Croom like when he would think that running a particular play 10 times for 22 yards was successful because it finally for 9 yards on the 10 attempt. This season has been a paradox. We have overachieved AND underachieved. We are way better than we expected but way worse than we should be. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse.
The criticism was/is legit. But hopefully, this is a turning point, for the program and for Lebby. It ought to be. We are better than our record. The bolded part above is real, despite our shortcomings. It is okay for us to ALL get behind it, regardless of what anyone on either side of the fence thought before today's result. As stated above most people on both sides were just asking for one SEC win. Folks, it did not look good going into today or for 59m today. Show some grace to other Bulldogs.
Yep. Winning was good. But Bobby P did to us what we did to Texsa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
It's a step in the right direction that we didn't absolutely tank it when the other coach blew it. We did tank it two weeks ago. Arkansas also was 2-6 and allowing 200 yds on the ground through 8 games. Putting up 0 in the first half is inexcusable.
Yea we won. But it wasn't pretty. It wasn't something to puff our chest about. And unless we pull off an upset and actually take this momentum, we would have 2 wins against Ark in 3 years as our only SEC Wins. Staring at being back to even with Wendeez if we go 5-7. Being improved over the worst State season since Tech and Ten isn't inspiring much.
Today is a day to celebrate. Win next week and then it's time to party.
True. Definitely something to celebrate but it's not something to really brag about. It was ugly, very ugly. But I will take a win every day of the week. Now just build off the momentum since the guys got the monkey off their back. The way they battled back tells you Lebby has them playing for one another. He may end up being a bust of a coach, but I feel like we are moving in the right direction. And he got some DOGS out of the portal that from the outside looking in aren't selfish "me" players. They compete. If we go bowling this year its a huge, huge achievement in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
So, as long as there is a disclaimer it gives "those fans" a reason to say something ridiculous and that is hurtful to MSU and MSU football for the umpteenth time? Including some MSU media personalities who if called out will either throw some red herring out there and if they can't do that then they'll just deflect and talk about how they're the son of a preacher. Basically all that proves is that we have a lot of fans who are worried more about being "right" than anything else which is ridiculous in and of itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogBear
The truth is it's very apparent that the people saying pump the brakes are the ones that are going to end up being right. Almost every issue we have goes back to having depth issues. See the offensive line as exhibit A. Even the coaching decisions- the fourth downs that didn't get converted against Texas- well, we converted every single one today if I'm not mistaken and the first one was a short pass to Fluff who wasn't available the last two games indicating that if we had better depth we likely convert and all of a sudden Lebby looks a lot smarter.
And no credit for Lebby sticking with Shapen which had people ready to fire him after he took out KT which turned out to be very much the right call? That took guts and it's the sign of a good coach. And at the same time, we can see that KT is developing.
The reality is so far we have been in every game this year except for one- which was Texas A&M on the road and we are one win away from going to a bowl. We have been outmanned against Arizona State, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Florida, and Texas...and played an Arkansas team that is probably in a similar spot as us talent wise on the road. And we have gone 2-4 against that group while easily beating three teams we had more talent than in USM, Alcorn, and Northern Illinois. On paper, we should be a 3 win team and yet we sit here at 5-4 and had a chance to be 8-1 despite being outmanned. That's what many of us that don't want Lebby fired see.
And that's why those of us with the keep Lebby position want to encourage MSU fans to give more money so that we can continue to build depth because we are close. We're damn close. And yet, we have fans that want to fire the coach again and then criticize MSU fans who want to keep Lebby by saying "Oh, it's a different era we can win immediately with the right coach in year one"- but yet they're advocating doing something that they accuse those that disagree with their position of doing by wanting to do something outdated without doing what really needs to be done- getting more money. But to them they think that Charles Huff is going to fix everything. Right.
And Tennessee, Florida, and Texas could say the same thing about their game with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
We beat Ark by the same margin Aggie did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
Same margin TN did (in Knoxville).
Ark isn't some horrible. They are house 0-5 in one score games while we are 2-3 and Mississippi is 5-1.
Thin thin margin in this league.