This post is extremely out of character for me, but here it is....

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You don't know that, yet. And what the hell does 5-7 with a SEC win get you that 4-8 without one doesn't? Shitty season is a shitty season. I need to see improvement, and that doesn't always come in the form of wins. Although it's better when it does

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I saw someone make a mistake that a ****in 10 year old playing madden wouldn't make. How is that your barometer for learning and improvement?

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Originally Posted by Tater

I saw someone make a mistake that a ****in 10 year old playing madden wouldn't make. How is that your barometer for learning and improvement?

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Thank you. My wife, who barely knows football, started watching at the end because of the drama. Immediately after the interception she said “why didn’t he just kick the goal”. This is a woman who has watched maybe 5 games her entire life. This isn’t even a “Football 101” mistake it’s an “Elementary PeeWee Football” mistake.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Cadaver, I very much agree with you. We are just not in a position to make ANOTHER coaching change. We hired a coach AGAIN that has to learn how to be a head coach at a place that is not easy to win at. We are competing this year which we didn't do last year. One or two plays different and we either split or sweep the TN/FL games. We CAN beat Texas next week at home. Don't know if we will but we are certainly capable. I was absolutely pissed with the clock management at the end of today's game and the inexplicable decision by Shapen to throw the ball straight to a FL defender with no MSU receiver in the area but Lebby called some good plays and if Shapen could have been more accurate today we would have won without the last drive. At this point we just need to keep progressing and see where we are at the end of next season.

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I agree

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Thank you. My wife, who barely knows football, started watching at the end because of the drama. Immediately after the interception she said “why didn’t he just kick the goal”. This is a woman who has watched maybe 5 games her entire life. This isn’t even a “Football 101” mistake it’s an “Elementary PeeWee Football” mistake.

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And if Ferrie misses it short, you may be one of the ones complaining about why we didn't try to get closer.

I hated it too, but hindsight is 20/20, and the play call didn't have to end in an INT...that was our brilliant 24 year old veteran QB that turned a questionable play call into a game loser.

I’m not saying I want Lebby fired, but I’m really tired of being a loser. After all the tuition I paid I could at least get 1 SEC win.

Yea if we fire this guy - we might have to hire a guy whose father in law fostered an environment of rape that is only trumped by the Penn State sandusky scandal, who also has not won an sec game, and who makes game management decision mistakes that a 10 year old playing madden wouldn't make.

Damn that would suck if we had to hire a guy that has that much baggage and sucks that bad at coaching.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And if Ferrie misses it short, you may be one of the ones complaining about why we didn't try to get closer.

I hated it too, but hindsight is 20/20, and the play call didn't have to end in an INT...that was our brilliant 24 year old veteran QB that turned a questionable play call into a game loser.

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At some point, running that qb out there is on the coach. I know we don't blame Lebby like other coaches, but we used to

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I agree

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Seconded.

Serious question. Who is a realistic hire that is a worse combo of coaching and morality? Hugh freeze is somehow a better option btw.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

At some point, running that qb out there is on the coach. I know we don't blame Lebby like other coaches, but we used to

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So you'd rather us play a guy that he knows isn't ready and lose by more? Shapen pisses me off, but if Taylor isn't ready I can't blame Lebbybfor not putting him out there. I'd rather be in the position we were in to try and win at the end than to be out of it by the end of the 3rd quarter bc mstate7 was tired of seeing Shapen

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Answer me this....who are you hiring if we fire Lebby? Who is your top 3 guys?

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Just about any head coach who has had sustained success at the G5 or lower level would have us at least 5-2 right now, and most would have us 6-1.

He mentioned Chesney (James Madison) and Huff (Southern Miss), and I'll throw in Candle (Toledo), Sumrall (Tulane), and Rogers (Washington State). New hires are always a crapshot, but their resumes all suggest they at least wouldn't piss away winnable games.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So you'd rather us play a guy that he knows isn't ready and lose by more? Shapen pisses me off, but if Taylor isn't ready I can't blame Lebbybfor not putting him out there. I'd rather be in the position we were in to try and win at the end than to be out of it by the end of the 3rd quarter bc mstate7 was tired of seeing Shapen

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Shapen isn't ready either. How much more proof you need? Dude has completely shit his pants in every sec game he's played in

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Shapen isn't ready either. How much more proof you need? Dude has completely shit his pants in every sec game he's played in

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That's not proving your point, it's helping mine. I didn't say Shapen was good...I just said Taylor isn't ready. You really think Lebby is putting the lesser QB out there with his millions on the line?

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

That's not proving your point, it's helping mine. I didn't say Shapen was good...I just said Taylor isn't ready. You really think Lebby is putting the lesser QB out there with his millions on the line?

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If your qb play is shit, why do put the ball in his hands when you're in fg range?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Just about any head coach who has had sustained success at the G5 or lower level would have us at least 5-2 right now, and most would have us 6-1.

He mentioned Chesney (James Madison) and Huff (Southern Miss), and I'll throw in Candle (Toledo), Sumrall (Tulane), and Rogers (Washington State). New hires are always a crapshot, but their resumes all suggest they at least wouldn't piss away winnable games.

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Maybe.

One things for sure, we better be ready for scraps if we go into the coaching search this year.

I'm trying to think of jobs open or that could open, and the carousel it will start once they start poaching coaches.....

Penn St
Arkansas
UCLA
Auburn?
Florida?
LSU?
Florida State?
Clemson?
South Carolina?

But you guys may get your wish. Maybe we are able to pony up buyouts and money to offer a big salary to a proven coach, and also have money left over to build a good roster once you lose a bunch of players due to the coaching change. We shall see.

Personally I hope and think we will give Lebby one more year, and I think he will be here several more if we do

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If your qb play is shit, why do put the ball in his hands when you're in fg range?

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Good question. I wasn't pleased with the pass play call. But I u destined you thinking they would be geared to stop the run. Shapen just made a bad play, and Lebby probably should have taken his chances on the long field goal. I hated the choices by both. But I understand the thought process...just didn't agree with it. That being said, if Ferrie misses it, our fans are bitching that Lebby didn't try to get him closer....so he tried to be aggressive and give us a better chance at a win, and it wasn't a good decision.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Maybe.

One things for sure, we better be ready for scraps if we go into the coaching search this year.

I'm trying to think of jobs open or that could open, and the carousel it will start once they start poaching coaches.....

Penn St
Arkansas
UCLA
Auburn?
Florida?
LSU?
Florida State?
Clemson?
South Carolina?

But you guys may get your wish. Maybe we are able to pony up buyouts and money to offer a big salary to a proven coach, and also have money left over to build a good roster once you lose a bunch of players due to the coaching change. We shall see.

Personally I hope and think we will give Lebby one more year, and I think he will be here several more if we do

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At worst, we can hire Charles Huff tomorrow, who has won at 2 different stops

Just can't believe we threw the ball there. F me. And then Shapen took an awful play call and made it even worse by throwing a pick.

Ugh.

We needed that win. Would have been a big one for us.

Next weekend is one Lebby needs to figure out a way to win.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Just can't believe we threw the ball there. F me. And then Shapen took an awful play call and made it even worse by throwing a pick.

Ugh.

We needed that win. Would have been a big one for us.

Next weekend is one Lebby needs to figure out a way to win.

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I like this personality of yours better. It's the reasonable one of your 2

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I like this personality of yours better. It's the reasonable one of your 2

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Haha, trust me, I hated the decision and I hated the execution. Lebby made a horrendous play call. Shapen made a horrible decision. It was the most MSU thing ever. I was crushed and cussing and miserable and still am. So don't get it twisted.

That being said, I still can't get to where firing Lebby right now is the right move. If we regress and are no longer competitive and he loses the team in these last 5 games that could change my mind.

I'm just in a position where I feel like both things can be true....

A. Lebby made an awful awful horrendous decision in this game

B. We don't need to fire him yet