Kamario or bust

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And it may not. I just would love for him to have a year to develop and really learn this offense without the pressure of having to learn it, learn how to command an offense at this level, the weight of the season riding on his shoulders, etc. when he is less than a year into college. QB is the one position I don't mind waiting a year to let them develop. I think had Van Buren been able to develop last year, 1. He would still be here and 2. We'd feel really good about where the QB room was right now.

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van Buren-can't hold Kamarios jock. Van Buren tried to back into the end zone from the 1 yard line.. He was scared. You will never hear of Him again.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I think we will be on the cusp, 5 minimum knocking at 6 is very doable. If all these RB's perform there will be at least 2 upsets in Starkville this year, maybe 3.

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Our home slate is:

Arizona St
Tenn
Texas
Georgia
Mississippi

It's unlikely we win 2 of those. 3 has no chance. 1 is most likely and 0 is very possible

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

van Buren-can't hold Kamarios jock. Van Buren tried to back into the end zone from the 1 yard line.. He was scared. You will never hear of Him again.

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I have no idea if you are right or wrong but I appreciate a hard take like that.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Our home slate is:

Arizona St
Tenn
Texas
Georgia
Mississippi

It's unlikely we win 2 of those. 3 has no chance. 1 is most likely and 0 is very possible

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ASU, Tennessee, Ole Miss

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

van Buren-can't hold Kamarios jock. Van Buren tried to back into the end zone from the 1 yard line.. He was scared. You will never hear of Him again.

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I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

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This is the correct take on this tread. The kid has talent but doesn't even know how to play QB in D1 yet.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

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Remember, you wanted the Qb from Oklahoma over Van Buren

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Remember, you wanted the Qb from Oklahoma over Van Buren

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Yea......still would take him over Van Buren due to knowledge of the system. I have no idea what part he plays in this. The point I was making was that we are calling a kid, who's never taken a collegiate snap, head and shoulders better than a kid that has 7 games of SEC experience under his belt. You can't make that statement in anything other than opinion. He may be better, I personally think he's going to be better, but we don't know that yet. Let's let the kid take a few snaps first. These same people that are saying Kamario is the best QB we have ever had said Keytaon Thompson was the best QB we've ever had and Chris Parson(still no S) was going to be a multi year SEC starter. They also were some of the same ones saying we needed to start Dam Williams over Fitzgerald.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

ASU, Tennessee, Ole Miss

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Not gonna happen. I dont see a way for us to get to 6 wins.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

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I think it is fair to say that the ceiling for Kamario is much higher than Van Buren's.

Van Buren made some mistakes you wouldn't see a 4A HS QB make. Like getting a delay of game penalty at least once a game. I don't remember the worst QB's from the Croom era doing that. Now, yes, I am harping on that but it just felt like he had a lack of feel for a lot of things.

Kamario on the other hand is basically built like a NFL QB and we'll see what he can do in live action. I just have a lot more confidence in him and to be fair- I really like Kroemenhoek a lot and I personally like Kamario better than him.

It just seems to me like Kamario has the potential to be a guy that can be an accurate downfield passer like what Tennessee had a couple of years ago and also has the ability to make plays with his legs as well. Van Buren to me just feels like an athlete playing QB.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Yea......still would take him over Van Buren due to knowledge of the system. I have no idea what part he plays in this. The point I was making was that we are calling a kid, who's never taken a collegiate snap, head and shoulders better than a kid that has 7 games of SEC experience under his belt. You can't make that statement in anything other than opinion. He may be better, I personally think he's going to be better, but we don't know that yet. Let's let the kid take a few snaps first. These same people that are saying Kamario is the best QB we have ever had said Keytaon Thompson was the best QB we've ever had and Chris Parson(still no S) was going to be a multi year SEC starter. They also were some of the same ones saying we needed to start Dam Williams over Fitzgerald.

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To be fair though- some of those QB's didn't pan out in part because of coaching changes. And Parson had an injury and just hasn't been able to really shake it.

And I'll say this- I would love to have Sawyer Robertson back.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

His numbers before he got hurt were really good and that was before we even had a running game. Almost 70% completion percentage and 9 TDs to 1 pick. 9 yards per too

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HEY! Don?t bring facts into this, sir.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

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Yes. Glad you wrote it out so I didn?t have to.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

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Dude-- Ray Charles can see Taylor is way better than Van Buren. I noticed you picked 2 of the worst teams Noxubee played. The beat a Louisville team that had not lost in 3 years. They played Starkville-West Point and all the best teams in the playoffs. If You put Taylor at the 1 yard line He will score, He won't turn his back to the line and try to back in. He is Kin to Omarr, he has the blood line. Have you even watched Him play a game? Your opinion is based off of what?

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

The concern with Shapen, or at least my concern, is can you run this offense the way we want to run it without having to worry if Shapen is going to get hurt? I mean it seemed like the first game this offense was running the way Lebby wanted to run it was against Florida, and Shapen gets hurt in that game.

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True. But you roll with the pieces you have. Shapen is better day 1. K may be ready if he took all first string snaps leading into the SEC schedule. I still say, Shapen is the horse in my mind. Dude was pretty dang good before the injury.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

True. But you roll with the pieces you have. Shapen is better day 1. K may be ready if he took all first string snaps leading into the SEC schedule. I still say, Shapen is the horse in my mind. Dude was pretty dang good before the injury.

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Yea. This whole conversation is a moot point. Shapen is better Day 1 and will lead the team from Day 1. Through 4 games last year Blake was:

74/108, 974 yds, 8 TDs, 1 INT, 68.5% completion percentage.


You put that over the whole year and that is around 3K yds, 20+ TDs, and less than 5 INTs which is almost to a T what Dillon Gabriel was his first year at OU with Lebby. I would expect we see Blake take a similar jump this year.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Dude-- Ray Charles can see Taylor is way better than Van Buren. I noticed you picked 2 of the worst teams Noxubee played. The beat a Louisville team that had not lost in 3 years. They played Starkville-West Point and all the best teams in the playoffs. If You put Taylor at the 1 yard line He will score, He won't turn his back to the line and try to back in. He is Kin to Omarr, he has the blood line. Have you even watched Him play a game? Your opinion is based off of what?

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I watched him play 4-5 times last year and 1-2 the year before that. He is extremely talented, which I have said multiple times in this thread and said multiple times last year as well. Hell I even said he was better than Van Buren. But you are trying to compare a kid who has played in the conference to a kid that hasn't. We do not know what he will be until he takes the field and has 300 lb SEC d lineman breathing down his neck. The talent is off the charts for Taylor, no doubt about it. He has good mechanics, a good build, and knows how to move in the pocket. But at the end of the day, it is different playing 3A ball in the MHSAA than it is in the SEC. Hell, even Jeffrey struggled with consistency early on as a Freshman and he was a damn 5 star no doubt about it prospect.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Yea. This whole conversation is a moot point. Shapen is better Day 1 and will lead the team from Day 1. Through 4 games last year Blake was:

74/108, 974 yds, 8 TDs, 1 INT, 68.5% completion percentage.


You put that over the whole year and that is around 3K yds, 20+ TDs, and less than 5 INTs which is almost to a T what Dillon Gabriel was his first year at OU with Lebby. I would expect we see Blake take a similar jump this year.

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It's also a moot point because either Taylor or Kromenhauk will likely get their opportunity this season. We know the odds of Shapen making it more than halfway through the season is less than 50/50. I will be shocked if our backups don't end up starting multiple games this season.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

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Rusell was probably the first legit QB talent that we had on campus in many of these younger dudes lifetimes. And I'm just talking skill at throwing the football. Unfortunately for Tyler, he just didn't fit in Mullen's scheme. He could have shattered the MSU record books if he had come along in 2000.

I think Shapen will play in every game this year and have decent looking stats. Just a gut feeling.

Also, did you know he's 24?