Coach 34, if I may, a football question

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06-03-2025, 04:13 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We are going to spend as close to 20 as possible. Basketball is being take care of by Oscar and Richard and baseball has some rejuvenated boosters that are going to foot a larger portion. I would guess we spend between 18-20 on football. And yes, our football guys really stepped up. We were up around 15 last year by the end.

This is on point and how it really is.
06-03-2025, 04:28 PM
BigDawg81

High school recruiting has gone to shit. Whenever, I don’t even want to look but it’s usually a G5 player. It’s really depressing.
06-03-2025, 04:32 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

High school recruiting has gone to shit. Whenever, I don’t even want to look but it’s usually a G5 player. It’s really depressing.

We are not going to offer HS kids a bunch of money that we do not think they will play in Yr 1. Lebby is using the Kiffin approach. ID 10-12 HS guys and go after them. If you get a few more then that is ok, you can use them for depth and practice and they will probably transfer. Take a kid like Lo’Kavian Jackson this past year. He was a 3 star but we ID’d him as a guy we really wanted. So we went and got him. Now a couple of the guys we currently have committed in the 26 class, depth and practice guys that may transfer after a year or 2
06-03-2025, 05:02 PM
gtowndawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I disagree. 6-7 is our new ceiling unless we get really lucky

Honestly, I think we are agreeing coach. I think 7 wins is attainable and once a decade the stars align and we win 9. If we do that I'll be fine considering the circumstances.
06-03-2025, 05:12 PM
Ranchdawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We are not going to offer HS kids a bunch of money that we do not think they will play in Yr 1. Lebby is using the Kiffin approach. ID 10-12 HS guys and go after them. If you get a few more then that is ok, you can use them for depth and practice and they will probably transfer. Take a kid like Lo’Kavian Jackson this past year. He was a 3 star but we ID’d him as a guy we really wanted. So we went and got him. Now a couple of the guys we currently have committed in the 26 class, depth and practice guys that may transfer after a year or 2

This is what I believe will be the downfall of the have nots of power4 football. You get a marginal player either from high school or portal and you pay him marginally. Then this player pops up and starts contributing something like 2nd string. He then goes to the portal after one year and goes to the highest payer that will guarantee playing time. This happens 15-20 times on your roster and you never get a chance to develop him into a starter is impossible to build roster.

Now pay for play is legal I don’t blame the players they have only 5yrs to make as much money as possible because most will never make NFL rosters or have the ability to make that much money in that short of time.
06-03-2025, 08:11 PM
Bothrops

The current model is going to end far more football careers than the ones it going make.
06-03-2025, 08:25 PM
RezDog7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You're saying we spent 15 million on the 2024 football roster?

If so, we'd been better off investing in Hawk Tuah coin.
06-03-2025, 09:08 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Honestly, I think we are agreeing coach. I think 7 wins is attainable and once a decade the stars align and we win 9. If we do that I'll be fine considering the circumstances.

Yeah- we are funding at a level to stay above G5 but there is no way we will get in the top half of the SEC. We simply dont have the money.

People talking about how we gonna allocate 18MM to football in this House BS deal fail to realize that money from that 20MM is going to have to go women's sports. The law is the law. This aint gonna be a 20MM dolla men's sports grab
06-04-2025, 07:31 AM
TheLostDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

They are the Dr's and lawyers school- like it or not- they do have more money than we do. Their FB program also earns millions more per season than ours does. Lastly- their people are more committed than ours as a whole. They want the prestige of being an NIL contributor. They have people that will drive to Oxford for big recruiting weekends to make that shithole look more packed with people than an average weekend. Be seen out in restaurants and around town. Make it look busy so recruits see a thriving town.

This is where you lose me like always. There are many doctors that may have gone to umc among many other medical schools that graduated undergrad from state. Same with law school. You do know MC has a law school that is tied into Mississippi state, I'm guessing not. This point of yours of, they have the doctors and lawyers is such bs. Also you can make just a much as both of these with much higher potential to make more without the debt doing other things. To talk about Vandy with their untapped alumni because they don't care about sports. You really think these neurosurgeons are dropping big money in football? I'm sure some are but they didn't get where they are spending time watching football. On top of that many of these doctors and lawyers pull for ole miss because they went to professional school there. That doesn't mean they are donating to nil. It just means if asked thats the school they say they will pull for when someone has sports on.

On Cap oblivious, you're such a troll. We got Mike leach so ole miss went avs for Kiffen. We could have pulled Kiffen then but his background stopped us. Yeah maybe now we wouldn't go get a coach like that but after this baseball hire, I'm not so sure we couldn't get a top coach. Maybe not pull a coach from Texas but certainly a Kiffen (if he was in a school not in the SEC/pos not b10) even now if we get our roster, money for football on track.
06-04-2025, 07:33 AM
StateDawg44

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Honestly, I think we are agreeing coach. I think 7 wins is attainable and once a decade the stars align and we win 9. If we do that I'll be fine considering the circumstances.

Lol this seems hopeless.

We basically fielding a team for the TV money. That's what we have to look forward to in football... cashing a check.
06-04-2025, 07:33 AM
TheLostDawg

Sec has brain washed us and so has our old donors into thinking this. Well people are starting to wake up to this now that we actually have an AD that knows how to raise money, get people involved
06-04-2025, 07:37 AM
StateDawg44

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Well people are starting to wake up to this now that we actually have an AD that knows how to raise money, get people involved

Huh?

We aren't even sniffing the Tennessee's, Georgia's, and Texas' (and the list goes on) even if our entire fanbase "woke up".
06-04-2025, 07:47 AM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

This is where you lose me like always. There are many doctors that may have gone to umc among many other medical schools that graduated undergrad from state. Same with law school. You do know MC has a law school that is tied into Mississippi state, I'm guessing not. This point of yours of, they have the doctors and lawyers is such bs. Also you can make just a much as both of these with much higher potential to make more without the debt doing other things. To talk about Vandy with their untapped alumni because they don't care about sports. You really think these neurosurgeons are dropping big money in football? I'm sure some are but they didn't get where they are spending time watching football. On top of that many of these doctors and lawyers pull for ole miss because they went to professional school there. That doesn't mean they are donating to nil. It just means if asked thats the school they say they will pull for when someone has sports on.

On Cap oblivious, you're such a troll. We got Mike leach so ole miss went avs for Kiffen. We could have pulled Kiffen then but his background stopped us. Yeah maybe now we wouldn't go get a coach like that but after this baseball hire, I'm not so sure we couldn't get a top coach. Maybe not pull a coach from Texas but certainly a Kiffen (if he was in a school not in the SEC/pos not b10) even now if we get our roster, money for football on track.

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problem is that they have a few lawyers that were involved in Multi billion dollar settlements and who do put in a tremendous amount of money to OM. Namely two, tobacco and Asbestos. Most Lawyers make good income but only a few really cash it in.
06-04-2025, 07:52 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by parabrave

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problem is that they have a few lawyers that were involved in Multi billion dollar settlements and who do put in a tremendous amount of money to OM. Namely two, tobacco and Asbestos. Most Lawyers make good income but only a few really cash it in.

David and Dickie cash flow A BUNCH of stuff for them. Add in Bill Jordan and Jerry Hollingsworth and you have a really solid core 4 that can give a boatload of cash.
06-04-2025, 08:50 AM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

David and Dickie cash flow A BUNCH of stuff for them. Add in Bill Jordan and Jerry Hollingsworth and you have a really solid core 4 that can give a boatload of cash.

There are a couple more in Gulfport who are rabid rebs including a former FB player from the 60s who puts alot of money in.
06-04-2025, 09:19 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Huh?

We aren't even sniffing the Tennessee's, Georgia's, and Texas' (and the list goes on) even if our entire fanbase "woke up".

We have two billionaire alums that do not give a cent to athletics. It all goes to academics. They refuse to give to sports. Yeah, it's their money but those two alone could take us to another level in football.
06-04-2025, 10:23 AM
StateDawg44

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

We have two billionaire alums that do not give a cent to athletics. It all goes to academics. They refuse to give to sports. Yeah, it's their money but those two alone could take us to another level in football.

Do you not think those schools have billionaires who don't donate to sports either? Or at all?
06-04-2025, 10:28 AM
Dawgology

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Originally Posted by Coach34

They are the Dr's and lawyers school- like it or not- they do have more money than we do. Their FB program also earns millions more per season than ours does. Lastly- their people are more committed than ours as a whole. They want the prestige of being an NIL contributor. They have people that will drive to Oxford for big recruiting weekends to make that shithole look more packed with people than an average weekend. Be seen out in restaurants and around town. Make it look busy so recruits see a thriving town.

This is just marketing spin from Ole Miss. I?ve worked with lawyers my entire life. Average lawyer salary in the US is $145k a year?a lot less than that in Mississippi. Most doctors just go to UMMC which is a different beast. Those guys and girls typically stay loyal to their undergraduate Alma mater and most are destitute for the first decade after medical school due to $250k -$500k in college debt. Veterinarians average $130k in the US, depending on what type of engineer average salary is $105k - $170k a year. Mississippi State has plenty of untapped funds in the alumni they just don?t prioritize it or market it at all. State has plenty of money to compete in football NIL?they just don?t want to.
06-04-2025, 10:39 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Do you not think those schools have billionaires who don't donate to sports either? Or at all?

They probably do but they also have billionaires that do. We do not.
06-04-2025, 11:31 AM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

We have two billionaire alums that do not give a cent to athletics. It all goes to academics. They refuse to give to sports. Yeah, it's their money but those two alone could take us to another level in football.

There is a reason for that, there are many that haven't trusted the the leadership in the athletic department for a long time. Our own people have pushed unqualified people into critical spots to serve their own interest to the detriment of MSU and others notice this homer BS and stay away. This seems to be changing or the better now and I hope it continues.

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