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Depth for what? I could buy this if we had legit guys starting already but what we start sucks. So what does that make these "depth" pieces? STARTERS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I fully expect to hear about how we went all in for whoever but their NIL price was ridiculous so we walked away and the other typical excuses for MSU's football recruiting failures.
Oh I don't know. Maybe we should try firing the coaches that suck at recruiting and hire coaches that are good at it?Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
Of course MSU's solution is to try to duct tape everything and try to outscheme everyone with a football genius head coach and a bunch of diamonds in the rough from Jones Junior College.
Or you could go to USM and Memphis and if you start there and if you show that you are legit then you can transfer to MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
That way you get to put yourself on film against much better competition and probably in at least a game or two play against a SEC team to show what you can do.
If you can't start at USM or Memphis then MSU isn't going to take you anyway.
Or how about we stop allowing our STUPID fans to be so damn vocal. The MSU fan IQ is so damn low we really should think about handing out helmets to our fans in the standsQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I don't mind vocal fans, that shows a passionate fan base. It's the fact that we have vocal fans all pulling in 15 different directions. There's no clear message.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
We have no depth. Not one bit anywhere really but especially on the lines. You're acting like the portal is open and we missed on all our targets already. It's not open and we'll take about 20 transfers. This is called a rebuild and it's the only way really unless you have $50MM to sign top talent and hell, a lot still wouldn't consider us because, that's right, it's a REBUILD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
So you want to take a Juco for one season instead of two? That doesn't allow your younger guys time to develop if we're flipping everybody every year. Plus, it gets crazy expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The guy that has been repeatedly accused of being a troll on Elitedawgs by multiple posters because of HIS stupid posts has ZERO room to make this comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
Are we really pulling in 15 different directions? I see a majority of fans that want Hutzler fired. I see a majority of fans that think an IPF is a great idea. It certainly has a lot more support than building the new Dudy Noble had. I see a majority of fans that want gameday improvements with the LED lights and etc. And I see polls where the majority want the interlocking MSU to come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The biggest thing I see a disagreement on is whose "fault" it is that MSU is where it is. And at this point what does that really matter anyway because those people are gone?
What I see and is the REAL issue is a MSU athletic administration that is addressing NONE of the issues. The fans are telling them what we want. We are being met with a lecture about how we have to wait on revenue sharing. For now. Until that passes and then they'll come up with another excuse for not doing what the fans want while blaming the fans for not showing up to their shit show product on and off the field.
Of course we have no depth. We have NO STARTERS. These JUCO guys are not going fix anything either in that regard. So next year instead of our guy from Purdue getting dominated it's going to be a guy from Northwest Mississippi Community College. But since it's a local guy getting his ass kicked that makes it better.** And I like how we went from needing 12-15 million to 50 million all of a sudden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I would rather take a G5 player that can play for one than a JUCO for two. To your point about younger guys- you think that clogging up our roster spots with JUCO's is going help with that? Doing what we're doing isn't going to help the younger guys because we are sucking at recruiting the younger guys anyway. So then it's even more JUCO's to replace the JUCO's! Yay! This staff especially on defense can NOT recruit period. And it's bleeding over to the offensive recruiting. But apparently Lebby is too stupid to see it so I'm expecting his ass to be gone in three years because as you know the boosters will step in at some point. Hopefully they will force him to fire Hutzler after the Egg Bowl and he can save his job but we'll try again with a more experienced coach next time I guarantee you that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
There's no talking to your dumb ass. What part of "the portal isn't open" don't you understand? And "we're signing about 20 in the portal"? We're signing portal AND Juco guys. We can't pay a gazillion dollars and sign all portal guys. Do you not understand that? FR won't help you unless they're elite. Juco was terrible last year but its deep this year. We all talked about the bad Juco talent Turner took last year and those last minute guys. This ain't that! We've got two bounce back guys too this year. These guys have offers where nobody had offers last year. The staff was just put together last year and had to take what they could.
Pulling in 15 different directions is whose fault? We the fans that pay good money for a sub par team. We the fans that would really like to know who actually is getting paid what. The fans that are in dire need of our AD and our head football coach to say something about this fiasco. Say something to the effect that this crap show will be straightened out and we actually have a future that is not as bad as this year. But no all I have heard is give more and crickets about the future of OUR program.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
What's "dumb ass" is supporting something that is clearly NOT going to work. What part of that do YOU not understand dumbass? I guess you'll blame baseball for us taking a bunch of JUCO's that don't work out and waste roster space right? That's pretty much your go to when the football program does something that won't work again. I'm not real sold on what this group can get out of the portal by the way. Doesn't matter whether it's open or not. Problem isn't money. It's that this staff can't evaluate, develop, OR recruit. Did David Turner recruit those guys in the secondary from Memphis that have contributed nothing too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Alright bud- Mak Pounders started at LT for Memphis and was sold as solid get. Truth is, he is a SEC guard. So your story about studs in CUSA translating to SEC is false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
In your apostle later on, Turner didn?t recruit the Memphis DBs but De?Ago has played this year and played really well. Hopefully we can get him back next year to provide depth.
You can complain about Turner because he deserves it. But how in the hell can you sit there and type an apostle saying this this staff can?t evaluate and develop talent? Guess MVB, Booth, Coleman, Kelly A, Ricky Johnson, McGee aren?t talented? Burnside? Guy hasn?t even been the head coach for a year and you wanna say he can?t develop talent? What in the hell
As Cooter says, portal isn?t open yet. We are bringing in 20 dudes and have been actively identifying guys throughout the year. Our coaches damn sure have no duty to tell the fans, Paul Jones, Steve Robertson, pizza boy, and wanna be Hardy who they are going after.
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Originally Posted by BankerDog
That post of mine that you just quoted was in response to an opinion that going JUCO was better than going to FBS school. If you agree with that you are just as wrong as everyone else.
I also never said that getting players from USM and Memphis was foolproof. I could point to many more players that played at FBS school that have been more successful than JUCO's in this era. And I am saying that is the route we should go towards and stop going JUCO heavy like it's still 1999.
How can I say that this staff can't recruit and develop? Is it the fact that the defense has gotten markedly worse? That they have whiffed in the portal with the players that they have gotten outside of the wide receivers? The fact that they can't recruit a guy from Ackerman who has family ties to MSU and lost him to Ole Miss? My question to you is how can you say that they CAN recruit and develop? You mention a bunch of freshmen who mostly haven't even contributed. And Van Buren is very possibly not even going to start for us next year and will have to compete for his job. Maybe in the meantime our esteemed head coach can get him to look at where the 17ing 40 second clock is before he gets us his typical two delay of game penalties.
Oh and by the way for the millionth time I am aware the portal isn't open. If you think that this clown show of a staff is going to magically win in the portal go ahead.
Meh
This thread is going to be lit
Sum of this thread = we will never be good again.
I see no way out of this shit show.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
We stick with this guy and his country club era another year, and if they don't get State to 6-6 next season, you take the whole bunch in the football office including AD to the Train Station. And you hire a successful sitting HC who brings his entire staff with him and you give him $15 million for him and his whole staff to divide up. If he is serious about making State a winner he will take $7.5 million and use the other $7.5 million on staff and advisors.
Is Selmon that bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Has he ruined the Ath Dept?
Best we ever had was Byrne through some of Strick. Byrne gets all credit, though. Handed Strick Howland I hear.