NIL Pessimism unwarranted

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Since you're struggling with reading comprehension. Someone else starts a thread "I'd like to try and make an argument that we are in the ballgame from an NIL perspective."

Then people "maybe majority of state fans dont give a crap about NIL and winning". Okay if that is your approach and you don't care about winning then skip the thread and let those who do try to help. seems pretty simple.

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They are arguing that we are NOT in the ballgame from an NIL perspective. Sounds like you may have some issues with comprehension.

If most State fans could careless about NIL at this point, I would say that we are far from in the ballgame.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

They are arguing that we are NOT in the ballgame from an NIL perspective. Sounds like you may have some issues with comprehension.

If most State fans could careless about NIL at this point, I would say that we are far from in the ballgame.

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We are in the ballgame. And in a lot better situation than we were under the previous AD. This one actually knows what the hell he's doing instead of trying to funnel everything to baseball.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You're part of the problem are part of the solution. The NIL deniers are the one's splitting the fan base. I have said on MULTIPLE OCCASSIONS, give if you want and don't if you don't. But the people who perpetuate this crap, spread hate about NIL, and give statements like "maybe some of us don't care about winning" need to get the 17 out of the fan base. Go support Southern. They don't care about winning. The only one you are hurting at the end of the day is Mississippi State. You're not saving anyone or bringing people to the light. You really think all of us don't know this is a crock of shit? We do. But instead of bitching and complaining and giving reasons why we should not donate: We just do it because we want Mississippi State to succeed.

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Believe what you want, i am not sure who you think you are by telling people what to do with their fandom. Put the drink down, step away from the keyboard and go out for a jog. Relax and let out some of that type B testosterone or type A estrogen, you need a release

NIL and the attitudes of the players is what is crippling Mississippi State you don’t just give more to a spoiled brat. Maybe you never learned that

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We are in the ballgame. And in a lot better situation than we were under the previous AD. This one actually knows what the hell he's doing instead of trying to funnel everything to baseball.

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We can give millions of dollars every year, but if the ones making decisions with the money are not using it wisely and do not have a plan then we are NOT in the ballgame. It appears that the ones making decisions have no clue what they are doing.

Money does not fix everything.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We are in the ballgame. And in a lot better situation than we were under the previous AD. This one actually knows what the hell he's doing instead of trying to funnel everything to baseball.

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Wasn’t there a thread last week about firing Selmon? Some of y’all need to make up your minds.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

We can give millions of dollars every year, but if the ones making decisions with the money are not using it wisely and do not have a plan then we are NOT in the ballgame. It appears that the ones making decisions have no clue what they are doing.

Money does not fix everything.

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The plan is in place. Come Monday December 2, it will be implemented. Transfers, staff changes, positions added, and more. The plan is already there. We just needed the money to execute it and we have that. Some of it is the 8 million. The other part is a very large donation to the BI

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Wasn’t there a thread last week about firing Selmon? Some of y’all need to make up your minds.

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No clue. I have never said fire Selmon. I like Zac and I know he has us headed in the right direction. He actually has a plan. Cohen did not.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Wow

Bud, if you think what you said earlier actually HELPS Mississippi State then you might need to get something examined. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. If people like me actually stepped away you will see the dent that you have created.

And for the record I don?t say people that contribute to NIL are idiots. I say based on some of these posts that some posters are idiots. There is a difference. As I said before, if you want to give then give. If you don?t then don?t. Simple as that but making post after post about NiL and how the average fan needs to give more and then land blasting someone who doesn?t, man talking about missing the boat.

That a way to create a wedge in an already split fan base. Wow just wow.

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I read this to say you give to athletics/bulldog club but refuse to give to NIL. What is the difference? Going forward, NlL will be largely funded by the bulldog club/university.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Believe what you want, i am not sure who you think you are by telling people what to do with their fandom. Put the drink down, step away from the keyboard and go out for a jog. Relax and let out some of that type B testosterone or type A estrogen, you need a release

NIL and the attitudes of the players is what is crippling Mississippi State you don’t just give more to a spoiled brat. Maybe you never learned that

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I am a Mississippi State fan doing everything in his power to keep us relevant. You are not. I will continue to give my money to “spoiled brats”. Some of the “spoiled brats” that I have given to in the past worked out pretty well. You can watch them on Sundays. Then again, they pay players in that league too so you have probably never watched.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Wasn’t there a thread last week about firing Selmon? Some of y’all need to make up your minds.

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That is the only logical thing.

Shitty hire in Football that made shitty coordinator hires. Did not rectify our baseball situation. Our media department (athletics) is that of a d3 school. Our rival is about to make the College Football playoff because they made the RIGHT hires. There is little to no excitement around the program. It all starts at the top. Not entirely Selmon's fault, Keenum is to blame as well.

Until those issues are fixed. I will not give money for them to piss away. Money will not fill gaps for our defense. It will not teach Lebby how to run a program. We have turned into a training ground for coordinators to fail and only the people making the hires are responsible for that, but we expect the fans to "pony up and pay". Unreal.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

The plan is in place. Come Monday December 2, it will be implemented. Transfers, staff changes, positions added, and more. The plan is already there. We just needed the money to execute it and we have that. Some of it is the 8 million. The other part is a very large donation to the BI

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If this is true, I will be thrilled. I have no reason to believe this though given their track record. I hope I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Take a step back from the ledge, you will really be crying if this guy and his wife did that??very foolish remark. Pretty sure he accounts for about 20-30 percent of annual donations but yeah let him go.

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I, nor anyone else, will be. No one gives a flying 17 about annual donations. All we care about is the Bulldog Initiative. And that is from the AD on down. I can personally guarantee if he pulls his donation, which we have heard people say MANY TIMES BEFORE and never followed through, we will be just fine. We have already replaced it thanks to the 8 million dollar man. I mean you really think he just donated to State and not the Initiative too?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I read this to say you give to athletics/bulldog club but refuse to give to NIL. What is the difference? Going forward, NlL will be largely funded by the bulldog club/university.

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Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don’t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn’t agree with paying players then and I don’t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I, nor anyone else, will be. No one gives a flying 17 about annual donations. All we care about is the Bulldog Initiative. And that is from the AD on down. I can personally guarantee if he pulls his donation, which we have heard people say MANY TIMES BEFORE and never followed through, we will be just fine. We have already replaced it thanks to the 8 million dollar man. I mean you really think he just donated to State and not the Initiative too?

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Yes I know for 100 percent fact his was paid to school and football program. FYI his quarterly to football only is almost 1.5 million and has been for the 12 years I have personally known him. He gives to all sports but slots the most quarterly to football and baseball.

He has said numerous times that if he finds out it went to NIL it was a stop payment immediately and Selmon knows this

Again you are fooling yourself if you don’t think his donations are cared for. He was asked to front CML a visit fee.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don’t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn’t agree with paying players then and I don’t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

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How is that going to be different??? You really think the University is going to pay players with their money??? They are going to raise prices and the fans will still be footing the bill.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Yes I know for 100 percent fact his was paid to school and football program. FYI his quarterly to football only is almost 1.5 million and has been for the 12 years I have personally known him. He gives to all sports but slots the most quarterly to football and baseball.

He has said numerous times that if he finds out it went to NIL it was a stop payment immediately and Selmon knows this

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Well umm…..it cannot go to NIL. Does this guy know that the Bulldog Initiative and Mississippi State are two separate entities??? I mean if he is making comments like that MULTIPLE times I kind of think he thinks they are the same thing. Do we need to get him in touch with Charlie to explain the difference? I think we could facilitate that.

Charlie knows him very well. Was one of his first phone calls with BI. He has made his position known.


Good day to you

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don’t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn’t agree with paying players then and I don’t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

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I get what you are saying and I know many who give to the NIL also don't like the structure. The reason though, to use your analogy of waiting to cross that bridge when it happens, whatever form / reform this morphs into, we can't wait to have the infrastructure already built. To cross whatever bridge is in our way down the road, we can't wait until the bridge is built. We have to have the surrounding infrastructure built beforehand. Waiting to cross a bridge to decide what to do is not an option anymore. And what we have done too many times in the past.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Charlie knows him very well. Was one of his first phone calls with BI. He has made his position known.


Good day to you

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Then that guy should know it is illegal, federally, to misappropriate funds to an outside entity. Like the fact that he had to tell someone to not send his donation to Mississippi State to the Bulldog Initiative is weird. Pretty sure we are not operating in bad faith.