Sunday Morning QB- We Are Bad Edition

Its fair to say Leach could have absolutely lost to Toledo. Its also fair to say Leach wouldnt have been dominated by Toledo.

We got dominated by Toledo Saturday. That is what is so discouraging

Let?s just hope the UMass Minutemen don?t show up as the Sixty-Minute Men

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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This is so GD depressing. And 100% correct.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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This is possibly the best post in ED history. Seriously, the condition known as "good ole boy syndrome" has affected MSU and Mississippi for 100+ years (at least) but is particularly strong at MSU. UM has seemed to overcome this with money, but will probably find it to be short term thing because the state can not tolerate success at the expense of the status quo.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

But if we'd known that he would be dead within 3 years, we never would have hired him. No one can step in and replicate what he was.

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Poor Leach looked sick af to me during his last season. Almost septic like in interviews. I had an eerie feeling he had terminal disease, but heart wouldn't have been my first guess.
I started to wonder if he was seeing doctors.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Poor Leach looked sick af to me during his last season. Almost septic like in interviews. I had an eerie feeling he had terminal disease, but heart wouldn't have been my first guess.
I started to wonder if he was seeing doctors.

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He was seeing doctors. He had a really bad cough for awhile.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He was seeing doctors. He had a really bad cough for awhile.

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We're they NPs or doctors? I wonder if he had an echocardiogram scheduled.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

We're they NPs or doctors? I wonder if he had an echocardiogram scheduled.

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Didn't he die from heart failure complications? He could have been dealing with it for years before anyone knew anything. Either was on a ACE inhibitor that caused the dry cough or he had some type of LHF. I'm sure he was urged to get an ECHO done if he was following up with his doctors. It would have picked up any mitral regurg or ventricle hypertrophy. But I honestly believe he would still have us competitive. Now we would lose games absolutely, but we would have never been dominated by Toledo

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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You nailed it. The sad thing is that last part. Our boosters, the ones who are supposed to want what's best for the program, have been the ones actively destroying the program for 50 years. The really sad part is that Mullen, Byrne, and Stricklin had almost eradicated them and their influences from the program. Mullen told them they were all losers and to give him the money and shut the hell up. However, the second Cohen got the job, it was like we were back in 1986 all over again. Those same boosters had far too much influence once again. BankerDog and I have talked about this ad nauseam over the last 5-10 years but we need new blood in the booster world. We need to get rid of these old guys who only care about the influence they have and the stories they can tell at CCJ or Reunion.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You nailed it. The sad thing is that last part. Our boosters, the ones who are supposed to want what's best for the program, have been the ones actively destroying the program for 50 years. The really sad part is that Mullen, Byrne, and Stricklin had almost eradicated them and their influences from the program. Mullen told them they were all losers and to give him the money and shut the hell up. However, the second Cohen got the job, it was like we were back in 1986 all over again. Those same boosters had far too much influence once again. BankerDog and I have talked about this ad nauseam over the last 5-10 years but we need new blood in the booster world. We need to get rid of these old guys who only care about the influence they have and the stories they can tell at CCJ or Reunion.

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You left out Annandale, more of them there than across the street.

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At least we are running the football these days, and have Showtime offense instead of the boring stuff a few years ago that won ball games ***

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

But isn't it fun to be watching an exciting offense again?!!!

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We are Back Baby!!! ***
No more winning games, controlling the clock, keeping elite SEC offenses on the sideline.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You nailed it. The sad thing is that last part. Our boosters, the ones who are supposed to want what's best for the program, have been the ones actively destroying the program for 50 years. The really sad part is that Mullen, Byrne, and Stricklin had almost eradicated them and their influences from the program. Mullen told them they were all losers and to give him the money and shut the hell up. However, the second Cohen got the job, it was like we were back in 1986 all over again. Those same boosters had far too much influence once again. BankerDog and I have talked about this ad nauseam over the last 5-10 years but we need new blood in the booster world. We need to get rid of these old guys who only care about the influence they have and the stories they can tell at CCJ or Reunion.

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Spot on.
You could really see the meddling after Arnett was hired. When he said not changing anything, though, was that his intent and then the meddling began?
I really though he had a chance to just focus on defense, and let the system stay intact for at least a year while he learned the HC gig. Keep it simple.

We were winning games with less talent.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Spot on.
You could really see the meddling after Arnett was hired. When he said not changing anything, though, was that his intent and then the meddling began?
I really though he had a chance to just focus on defense, and let the system stay intact for at least a year while he learned the HC gig. Keep it simple.

We were winning games with less talent.

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We were winning games with less talent because of the the coach that occupied the headset with HC on the side. He won with less talent everywhere he was.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We were winning games with less talent because of the the coach that occupied the headset with HC on the side. He won with less talent everywhere he was.

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I followed Leach , living in TX, back at his first year at TX Tech. Totally aware of what we had.
But our fan base did not totally grasp what we had. We could win a game, and still have complaints. He had to clean the culture after Jomo, coach first season through Covid, and that was my point also.

Seemed there was a group that could not wait to blow it up , to the point of trying it in an offseason after the portal was closed, and with a first time HC over his head.
Not sure who all was involved in that brilliance, but that was my main question.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

I followed Leach , living in TX, back at his first year at TX Tech. Totally aware of what we had.
But our fan base did not totally grasp what we had. We could win a game, and still have complaints. He had to clean the culture after Jomo, coach first season through Covid, and that was my point also.

Seemed there was a group that could not wait to blow it up , to the point of trying it in an offseason after the portal was closed, and with a first time HC over his head.
Not sure who all was involved in that brilliance, but that was my main question.

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It was a group of boosters that had gotten power back under Cohen that they did not have under Byrne or Stricklin. Then Leach came in and he told them all to F off and he didn't like them, which he didn't. They were the ones wanting to replace him. And it wasn't because we were doing bad, it was because they were basically cut off from info and so they couldn't look cool at the bar of whatever Madison Co country club they belonged to. Well Leach dies and we hastily promote Arnett and I believe, do not know this for fact, but believe they were the ones who pushed for him to have the permanent job and not just have it on an interim basis. They pitched it that they could put all these people around him that would help him. AKA: People who would feed them info and go drink with them at Two Bros and tell them how cool they were.

The amount of anger and seemingly truthful facts in this thread is making me happy. I really hope selmon is telling them to kick rocks while they pony up.