South Carolina fired their coach today

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So is Randy Hood at UNCW. Why is his name not being brought up. So is Jim Penders at UCONN. Why is no one mentioning him. Jordan Bischell is doing wonders at Cincinnati. Why is no one mentioning his name. Hell Gary Gilmore at national championship at Coastal. Why did we not hire him in 19. Some of you have gotten so damn fixated on Haire that anything else is a failure. The guy is a good coach. But there are 30 Justin Haire’s out there.

I like Haire a lot. I think he would do good. But some of you think he is going to come in Year 1 and solve all the issues. He is not. He will be about the same as Lemonis. Slightly better some years and slightly worse others.

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Rewind a couple years and the same folks on here would have been falling over themselves to replace Lemonis with GoTro. Fast forward, now they both need to go.

Message board posters are a fickle bunch...

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Sure, any of those sound like good hires. The fact that it's not "Haire or bust" and actually there are a lot of good names out there that we could probably hire is further evidence that we'll be fine if Lemonis leaves us.

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You're right. We could be fine. The new guy could also suck or not make a Super. It's a crapshoot. And I wasn't advocating for any of those guys. Although I would love Bischel. He's a great personality and those CMU teams he had were a lot of fun and were gritty. But I mean that's the pool we're working with. We're not going to be able to go pull Eric Bakich at Clemson or Tom Walter at Wake. You might could get Chris Pollard at Duke, but I personally don't want him. Just a personal preference though. Your pool is slightly better if Lemonis leaves on his own than is fired. But to think we're going to get a Tadlock, McDonnel, or Schloss type hire like last time is based in looney land.

But again, WE DON'T HAVE A JOB OPENING

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You're right. We could be fine. The new guy could also suck or not make a Super. It's a crapshoot. And I wasn't advocating for any of those guys. Although I would love Bischel. He's a great personality and those CMU teams he had were a lot of fun and were gritty. But I mean that's the pool we're working with. We're not going to be able to go pull Eric Bakich at Clemson or Tom Walter at Wake. You might could get Chris Pollard at Duke, but I personally don't want him. Just a personal preference though. Your pool is slightly better if Lemonis leaves on his own than is fired. But to think we're going to get a Tadlock, McDonnel, or Schloss type hire like last time is based in looney land.

But again, WE DON'T HAVE A JOB OPENING

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Who has said that we will?

All I'm saying that is Lemonis has underachieved thanks to his teams having poor baseball fundamentals/IQ, as well as making very questionable in-game decisions. On top of that, he just finished up the 2nd worst 3-year stretch in the last 50 years for us.

I think we can and should expect more, and that if our job becomes vacant (however that happens), there are plenty of guys out there who would probably do a better job. Is it a guarantee? No. But with recruiting having turned into a money game for the vast majority of high schoolers and transfers, the primary question is whether coaches are good tacticians and developers of talent.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Who has said that we will?

All I'm saying that is Lemonis has underachieved thanks to his teams having poor baseball fundamentals/IQ, as well as making very questionable in-game decisions. On top of that, he just finished up the 2nd worst 3-year stretch in the last 50 years for us.

I think we can and should expect more, and that if our job becomes vacant (however that happens), there are plenty of guys out there who would probably do a better job. Is it a guarantee? No. But with recruiting having turned into a money game for the vast majority of high schoolers and transfers, the primary question is whether coaches are good tacticians and developers of talent.

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Or if our cheap ass fan base will give to NIL. Which, judging by the message boards will not happen.

Also, go to Twitter and look at the amount of people who think we will get Tony Vittelo as our HC. It's more than you could even comprehend.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So is Randy Hood at UNCW. Why is his name not being brought up. So is Jim Penders at UCONN. Why is no one mentioning him. Jordan Bischell is doing wonders at Cincinnati. Why is no one mentioning his name. Hell Gary Gilmore at national championship at Coastal. Why did we not hire him in 19. Some of you have gotten so damn fixated on Haire that anything else is a failure. The guy is a good coach. But there are 30 Justin Haire?s out there.

I like Haire a lot. I think he would do good. But some of you think he is going to come in Year 1 and solve all the issues. He is not. He will be about the same as Lemonis. Slightly better some years and slightly worse others.

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I have never said he comes in year one and solves it. The portal will help , and keeping Parker. But to me this is a culture rebuild also.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

I have never said he comes in year one and solves it. The portal will help , and keeping Parker. But to me this is a culture rebuild also.

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So the whole thing is based on if we keep Justin Parker? Well hell, just promote Parker. Seems like an easy solution and don't have to waste money on an unknown. We know what we got with Parker.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So the whole thing is based on if we keep Justin Parker? Well hell, just promote Parker. Seems like an easy solution and don't have to waste money on an unknown. We know what we got with Parker.

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My original post said "a coach". You brought up Haire. Why didn't you bring up one of those other coaches ?

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So the whole thing is based on if we keep Justin Parker? Well hell, just promote Parker. Seems like an easy solution and don't have to waste money on an unknown. We know what we got with Parker.

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Vegas I always like your posts, but what is it today man? Ease up.
You are twisting posts. I said the portal would help and so would Parker(helping).
How are you getting all these responses on my comments?
You brought up Haire.....not me...then you post again asking why didn't I bring up other coaches first.
I say The portal and Parker will help a new coach , and you twist that also.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

My original post said "a coach". You brought up Haire. Why didn't you bring up one of those other coaches ?

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Because we don't have an opening. Chris Lemonis is still our HC. No reason to bring up any other coaches. Haire is just the name EVERYONE, including you, have thrown out.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Because we don't have an opening. Chris Lemonis is still our HC. No reason to bring up any other coaches. Haire is just the name EVERYONE, including you, have thrown out.

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Get over it. It is just a message board.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Vegas I always like your posts, but what is it today man? Ease up.
You are twisting posts. I said the portal would help and so would Parker(helping).

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I'm not trying to twist. I'm trying to bring logic into this. We're trying to replace a guy who hasn't been fired. We're pre firing him. And most of the reasons I've seen for a new guy's success center around Parker staying. It's crazy to me. I mean if Parker is so damn important, which I tend to believe he is, then hire him.

But we're not hiring anyone, because we don't have an opening right now.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm not trying to twist. I'm trying to bring logic into this. We're trying to replace who hasn't been fired. And most of the reasons I've seen center around Parker staying. It's crazy to me. I mean if Parker is so damn important, which I tend to believe he is, then hire him.

But we're not hiring anyone, because we don't have an opening right now.

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Not me... I posted on here "a coach". You jumped it to Haire , and then asked why am I only talking Haire. You sort of created the issue there.
I like Parker, but he does need more time before jumping as an SEC coach.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Hearing Petry to the portal. Going to cost a pretty penny.

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Somebody got a link to Rogers saying ?big fish???? All I saw him tweet was they are likely to lose one of their best players

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Or if our cheap ass fan base will give to NIL. Which, judging by the message boards will not happen.

Also, go to Twitter and look at the amount of people who think we will get Tony Vittelo as our HC. It's more than you could even comprehend.

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Fine, but I don't think anyone here is thinking we're likely to hire Vitello. It's "mid-major roulette" for us most likely.

We know what we have in Lemonis if he stays - our NIL and fanbase will probably portal him a roster that's good enough to make a Regional. It will play sloppily, and his in-game decisions will be head-scratchers. We'll end up underachieving (maybe missing a Regional altogether, maybe getting one, but at a lower seed than we should), and we'll all be very disappointed a year from now.

If we replace Lemonis with Haire or another successful mid-major coach - our NIL and fanbase will probably portal him a roster that's good enough to make a Regional. So the question is whether the replacement underachieves like Lemonis will. I think that's unlikely, and there's just not a lot of downside risk in having a new coach. It's not a guarantee, but nothing ever is in sports.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Not me... I posted on here "a coach". You jumped it to Haire , and then asked why am I only talking Haire. You sort of created the issue there.
I like Parker, but he does need more time before jumping as an SEC coach.

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Again it's a non issue right now. We have a coach. If Lemonis jumps, then we can start the conversation. I also believe Haire would be near the top of any realistic list. Doesn't mean I think he's automatically destined for success. I don't think he is. I think he would struggle initially. Guy hasn't made a Super. I think you're just hiring Lemonis 2.0. Solid coach, and if he's brought the talent he can win.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

It'll be lsu

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Most likely

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Somebody got a link to Rogers saying ?big fish???? All I saw him tweet was they are likely to lose one of their best players

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... you can literally find it in 10 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Fine, but I don't think anyone here is thinking we're likely to hire Vitello. It's "mid-major roulette" for us most likely.

We know what we have in Lemonis if he stays - our NIL and fanbase will probably portal him a roster that's good enough to make a Regional. It will play sloppily, and his in-game decisions will be head-scratchers. We'll end up underachieving (maybe missing a Regional altogether, maybe getting one, but at a lower seed than we should), and we'll all be very disappointed a year from now.

If we replace Lemonis with Haire or another successful mid-major coach - our NIL and fanbase will probably portal him a roster that's good enough to make a Regional. So the question is whether the replacement underachieves like Lemonis will. I think that's unlikely, and there's just not a lot of downside risk in having a new coach. It's not a guarantee, but nothing ever is in sports.

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I think that's the question. And like you said, there's no guarantee. I mean everyone was proclaiming Lemonis a Top 5 coach after 21 and now 50% of the fanbase wants to fire him. It's all about the roster. Vitello was crap until he got buy in that bought him a great roster. And even with a great roster, he's won 1 game in Omaha in 2 trips. Lemonis has won 6.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

... you can literally find it in 10 seconds.

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