He was talking about a Mississippi State player that transferred from Seton Hall. He is bitching about the fact that other (lower) schools can now compete with the best players.
Hypocritical coach speak. See Saban.
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He was talking about a Mississippi State player that transferred from Seton Hall. He is bitching about the fact that other (lower) schools can now compete with the best players.
Hypocritical coach speak. See Saban.
Slant? I didn't slant anything I saw a post with that quote and shared it here. Whether or not that was the main point, it is still a solid point. You might disagree, subjectively I feel like you are pointing him out specifically when that's not why I posted his quote. His quote embodies what I think is wrong with current NIL model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
It doesn't breed competition on the field, it doesn't institute hard work over a long period of time for monetary benefit, there is nothing taking place to help teach these kids how to manage and handle the can be extreme influx of money. If we think it's bad for grown adults who get the NFL, MLB, NHL,NBA payouts for the family members that come out of the wood work to ask for cash think of how bad it is on these 18-19 year olds, they just started driving within the past two years. They don't know responsibility yet, and that is one of the points that college is supposed to teach is how to manage your life.
I'm all for NIL in the true meaning of name, image, and likeness. That is not what we currently have, we just have a really lazy pay for play scheme, that pushed the competition to the see who the highest bidder is, it's lazy sportsmanship.
Definition of slant = present or view (information) from a particular angle, especially in a biased or unfair way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
As I've highlighted, you presented a quote without full context and biased towards NIL. When viewing what he said in full context, it was about transfer rules. I believe he even states you can take money out of his remarks.
There is still no slant. A slant would be to read that quote and then go around and say "Geno wants all those who get NIL to be kicked out of sports" that's a slant. This is just someone took a quote from a speech and posted the quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
That quote is not out of context for the reason I posted it. Someone can be making an overall bigger statement while saying smaller points. This is a smaller point during him making his bigger statement. Stop arguing from his specific perspective, argue the statement. Obviously you don't believe the statement to be relevant, needed, or just out of touch. Argue against it.
Forbid someone talks about water flow and in the middle of the conversation they make a quick comment about how they hate beavers making dams. Both points are relevant.
Which was a STUPID, STUPID comment given he was talking about a grad transfer. Once you graduate from an institution why should you have any further obligation? Most students DO go to a different institution for their grad degree but most DO NOT jump from one institution to another while getting an undergraduate degree. That's bogus as far as academics go.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyDawg13
Agree to disagree. We're on a message board meant for dialogue, which your thread created so it's all good in my book!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
high school sportsQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
church softball
little league sports
When I say responsibility I am talking about life responsibilities. Even 1st graders have some responsibility. Life responsibility is working and earning a living, paying taxes, paying life bills, health insurance, etc. That college athlete or college student ain't doing any of that. You work to support yourself and family the rest of your life. You don't go to college the rest of your life - that ain't making a living and working responsibility. You go to college to better your adult working life for the rest of your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
This is what is wrong with the entire generation coming up. They can't understand this simple life concept. They are the ones who come up with the term adulting and they don't want to do it. Stay on parents insurance, live in basement and play video games and have fun every day. They don't want adulting. NIL is just a continuation of the life free ride on someone else's back. I have frankly had enough.
Apples and oranges. Those college kids are paying their way. I have no issue with any college athlete getting a summer internship and making money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
To make it apples to apples - are we gonna start paying for top students NIL on top of scholarships to come to school? Big fat no. The full ride academic kids get is not a full ride either.
College is about preparing kids for a life of working in some field. For the very few that is sports, it does that already too. For 99% of rest, it is about a degree. College is not where you go to make millions for just being there. You get prepared for making money on what you learn while you are there.
At end of day, everyone got their hand out and wants free money.
Again, this system we have is not NIL. It's boosters/fans raising money to pay players. This is NOT what was meant by NIL. NIL is SUPPOSED to allow for players to make money off of merchandise in their name, image, and likeness, I.e. jerseys, t-shirts, trading cards, other collectibles with their name/number/face on it. This mess we have is just paying players as much as you can. It's stupid and not sustainable for boosters/fans to foot the bill and not the schools when they are getting all the tv/ticket money. If the athletes want a share of that then they should be considered employees of the university, unionize, and work out a collective bargaining deal with the schools.
Yep. All of us with critical thinking skills are saying this. We are all saying the same thing pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
One way to improve some of this mess is to go on and pay the players, and make the pay equal for all football players. This would help stop the bickering about one player getting more than the other. Isn?t this the way scholarships are given, equal amounts basically? The NCAA has got to change. Period.
Here's my take on it. I had a relative that was a trainer for the football team and majoring in Mechanical Engineering. It was brutally tough and he's not a partier and going out all the time. He was working 40+ hours as a trainer while trying to make his labs, maintain his grades, etc. His grades did falter some.
I'm betting that if they're receiving NIL they're paying taxes on it. IRS ain't gonna let that get by them.
Minus wife and kids (and some of the players have had those), the big name stars have all the responsibility of NFL players. Press interviews, workouts, practicing, rehab (when necessary), watching film, travel, etc. and then add on top of that going to class and maintaining a certain GPA.
And it's pretty much year round except maybe in the summer they don't have to go to class. They work two 40 hr jobs really 9 months of the year. So they're working 80 hr weeks for about 9 months a year and the total compensation before NIL over 4 years was probably around $150K to $200K (at MSU, Bama, etc.) with the stipend they were allowed to get ONLY after 2014 or 2015 or so. That includes school, books, transportation, meals, room/board, and spending money. Using the larger $200K and divide by 4 =$50k/year
So let's just take 3 months a year out of it. Here's my math using 9 months/year only ---- 39 weeks*80 hrs/week = 3120 hrs worked.
Then $50K/year /3120 total hrs worked = $16/hr. Sixteen dollars per hour, which doesn't include summer workouts or going to class (if they choose to do so). And they're generating billions of $$$ of revenue for CFB, the coaches, the Universities, etc. A lot of those folks are getting rich. That ain't any "compensation" at all for the level of value they bring to the overall "industry" if you wanna classify it that way. In fact, the whole industry goes away if they all go on strike.
I completely disagree. Look at any business you have people at all levels getting paid differently. It's the people above that make the decisions and put the people under them in a position to succeed. You don't move to the top and make money/ decisions unless you're good at your job. NIL devalues scholarships, room and board, etc. No loyalty. That being said, these guys train/ practice year round and it is a job. I think that they should get some sort of spending money as they don't have time to get jobs on the side. Making it the same across the board. Then if you get caught cheating, the pay you can pay players decreases. Get caught twice, etc lose it. There are ways to do this right but ncaa dropped the ball just like Cohen did as AD with many things (sorry, had to throw that one in there)Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
You're comparing CFB to regular industries. CFB is the entertainment industry. And in that industry, the stars get paid. Not that the studio owners aren't much richer but the stars get paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLostDawg
This ain't McDonalds where any kid off the street can do it. And the compensation the players been getting prior to NIL pretty much almost equates to McDonald's pay.
The CFB players have very unique and highly in-demand skills. McDonald's employees don't have all the job responsibilities the players have either. And employees in other industries ain't got millions of fans who bash them if they have a bad day at work.
I'm not a Union guy by any stretch of the imagination and don't mean to sound like it. But folks can't equate this to a job at McDonalds or Walmart. Or even the auto industry. It's different. Those aren't apples-to-apples comparisons.
Back in the old days, everyone wasn't making the change they are now. And there was just the Bowl system. Now with the 12 team playoff, even more is being piled onto the players. All to increase the $$$ flowing to the top.
ETA: Scholarships are given out for academics and other reasons that have nothing to do with sports. A very smart kid can get a free ride all thru college while not bringing any $$ into the college.
CFB is the result of folks figuring out they could get rich basically off of free labor. So it's not like other industries in that regard either. In the old days the main benefit to the players was some kids that wouldn't be able to afford it could get college degrees for free if they played sports. Now tho, while they can get "degrees" for playing sports, there are so many demands on them and their time and the grade standards to remain eligible are such that they can't really pursue difficult degrees that would benefit them a lot post-graduation. They don't have time to keep up with the workload of a difficult degree really. Some can, but it is very hard.
Name a league where minor league athletes get paid 7 figures and it's not because it's tied to future player rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
The school brands provide the value. How many fans make a point to go watch a particular player in minor league baseball or the G-League or the Arena league?
College sports are just unlike any other league. There really ought to be a specific federal law addressing college sports and what the leagues/schools are able to agree to and what they have to compete on.
ETA: And if schools are allowed to keep compensation around what minor league athletes make (which is roughly where they were with scholarship, room and board), coaches shouldn't make more than minor league coaches either.
Name me a minor league manager that makes 10 million a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
ETA - i see that you edited to add that comment. The problem is TV money. Nobody is paying billions of dollars for arena league or minor league baseball.
The schools should have gotten out in front of this years ago. Once assistant coaches started making 500k a year and coordinators started making seven figures, the entire system was screwed.
The biggest problem is that it's still not NIL. They arent getting shared profits from the school. All they have done is legalized what used to be cheating. It's still boosters paying for it as well- not the school. That is what eventually is going to have to change.
What Lower schools are competing better now? Who has this helped the most? I can tell you who its hurt the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyDawg13
The money that is being offered now is more than it was then. And you didnt have the opt out portal non sense. It is a political issue. Has been since day 1. It is a victimhood entitlement issue. I will leave it at thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34