2019 Recruiting Thread

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

We should have Cohen's ass if he ever hires another football coach that apparently needs to learn as much as you guys say Moorhead does.

The entire point of paying someone 2+ mill is that you can get someone who doesn't have to learn on the job. Complete tomfoolery IMO that we hired someone who essentially, in your opinion, had no idea what he was doing.

You can't have it both ways. You can't make one post that you trust Moorhead and in the next post let him off the hook because he's still learning

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Dude .. you can't get someone who "doesn't have to learn on the job" for 2 to 3 mill in the SEC. It will take more than that. And any coach from the outside not named Urban Meyer (and maybe 1 or 2 more) will have to learn on the job ... period.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Fitz would have started at Arky, Vandy, Tennessee, Florida and would have pushed Wilson at Kentucky. So he's better than 4-5 other SEC QBs.

Guidry would start at a lot of schools too. Vandy, Kentucky, TN, Arky for sure, probably Auburn, A&M, SC. Would have been in the rotation at literally every team though

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This post proves how little you know. You honest to God believe that Chad Morris who runs a wide open passing attack woukd start Nick Fitz who can?t complete a pass over 10 yards? Fitz also isn?t better then the UT QB either. Wilson did a heck of a better job then Fitz running this year at Kentucky as well.

I?m not even going to get into Guidry (A&M really dude?)

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Dude .. you can't get someone who "doesn't have to learn on the job" for 2 to 3 mill in the SEC. It will take more than that. And any coach from the outside not named Urban Meyer (and maybe 1 or 2 more) will have to learn on the job ... period.

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Exactly

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Dude .. you can't get someone who "doesn't have to learn on the job" for 2 to 3 mill in the SEC. It will take more than that. And any coach from the outside not named Urban Meyer (and maybe 1 or 2 more) will have to learn on the job ... period.

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Exactly. As an example even the great Saban when he first came to lsu had a learning curve.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

I think Moorhead is doing ok on the recruiting trail at the moment. He's got a solid B so far and it's his first real class. Depending on how he finishes out that could go up to a solid A or drop to a C. I think no lower than that though. He's obviously still learning.

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You do know he is not the only one recruiting, right?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Comparing this class to Mullen's last 5. First off, this class avg per recruit is better than any Mullen had, which is the first measure I look at. Is it sustainable though, and does it move us up in the conference rankings wise? So for this class and Mullen's last 5, I'm giving avg per recruit, rank in sec, and number of 88 rated or higher players in miss. I used 88 bc that almost always lands an OM or state offer.

'19: .8840 per recruit, 11th in sec, 18 at 88+*
'17: .8611, 9th, 8
'16: .8768, 11th, 11
'15: .8769, 9th, 9
'14: .8484, 12th, 10
'13: .8622, 10th, 6

*cunningham, payton, walker, Washington, James, and Emerson are all included. Not sure any are locks to be included after signing day.

Not sure what all this means, but it appears we aren't gonna make up any ground in the sec in a historic level of talent in Mississippi

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I think that is where the argument can be made that the recruiting services have a pecking order that seems to be slotted for certain teams. The same teams finish within the same 3 or so slots every year unless they pull off some sort of crazy stunt (see Ole Miss, 2013). I think even if we landed all 18 of those 88+ rated kids, you would have miraculously seen their rating drop just enough to slot us somewhere between 9th and 12th in the SEC. We've already seen that what, a month ago, when they released new ratings and our players either didn't move or dropped.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Fitz would have started at Arky, Vandy, Tennessee, Florida and would have pushed Wilson at Kentucky. So he's better than 4-5 other SEC QBs.

Guidry would start at a lot of schools too. Vandy, Kentucky, TN, Arky for sure, probably Auburn, A&M, SC. Would have been in the rotation at literally every team though

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Morris would not touch Nick Fitzgerald with a 10-foot pole. Shurmur is light years better at QB than Fitz, and I'd take Franks over Fitz too. Maybe Fitz is better than Guarantano, but he turns the ball over way too much to be the answer at Kentucky. He'd mess up UK's formula of run the ball and play defense. In fact, I think advanced stats have Fitz as the worst QB in the conference this year.

Recruiting sites are just like the old magazines and play to certain fan bases. They also know AL is going to win an ass load of games, so they're going to give their guys high rankings when they're marginal. It's not hard to figure out. Lashley, Knott, Davis, all probably drop in ranking if they come to State instead of AL and two of those are busts but give a boost to the ranking.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Moore has people in his ear. He?s not smart enough to realize they?re using him.

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Are you saying MS people telling him to do something else

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I think that is where the argument can be made that the recruiting services have a pecking order that seems to be slotted for certain teams. The same teams finish within the same 3 or so slots every year unless they pull off some sort of crazy stunt (see Ole Miss, 2013). I think even if we landed all 18 of those 88+ rated kids, you would have miraculously seen their rating drop just enough to slot us somewhere between 9th and 12th in the SEC. We've already seen that what, a month ago, when they released new ratings and our players either didn't move or dropped.

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I don't think that it's quite that slanted ... but it is something similar. In other words, if we got all 18 in-state 4* we'd be higher than 9th in SEC. Probably around 6 or 7.

Everyone chill the **** out... Let this play out and see what happens. It’s not a huge shock that Moore decommitted and it won’t be a huge shock if he signs with us come Feb.

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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs

You do know he is not the only one recruiting, right?

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WHAAAAAAAATTT???!!!**** REALLYYY!!!???*** C'mon dude.

It's his program, his team, he's the boss right now. End of the day he is responsible for every choice his team of recruiters makes whether or not he signed off on it.
I'm not going to list every coach and recruiter and give them a grade. Kudos if you have the time to do that.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Everyone chill the **** out... Let this play out and see what happens. It’s not a huge shock that Moore decommitted and it won’t be a huge shock if he signs with us come Feb.

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What can we do to go get Byron Young away from that broken little man in Tuscaloosa?

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

What can we do to go get Byron Young away from that broken little man in Tuscaloosa?

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I said it months ago , if BY stays in state he will be a Dawg. The odds aren’t good but Wait till after the OV. That may change

No point in worrying about recruiting, things will shake out how they shake out. And if it ends poorly JoMo wont last long which from reading the site would be preferable for most. We get the last visit with Moore, that is usually works against us lets see how Joe closes.

Which ones we sign?
Cunningham
Payton
Walker
Washington
James
Emerson

Which ones we sign?
Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 25%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 50%
James - 25%
Emerson - 10%

Plus
Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 25%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 50%
James - 25%
Emerson - 10%
Pickering - 75%
Duncan - 75%
Plumlee - 50%
Lawrence - 80%
Young - 25%
Moore - 25%
TJ Jones - 10%
Mingo - 25%

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Originally Posted by Doggie_Style

Plus
Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 25%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 50%
James - 25%
Emerson - 10%
Pickering - 75%
Duncan - 75%
Plumlee - 50%
Lawrence - 80%
Young - 25%
Moore - 25%
TJ Jones - 10%
Mingo - 25%

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The board is not light. That list is full of good players. The question is how many do we get? If we can get 5 or 6 of those, that's a damn good recruiting class. The question is what happens if we only get 3 or 4.

It's so hard for them to turn down that money for visits and commits etc. Would you decommit for $10k, 25k? $50k? CASH