No, but it's not like he can schedule several in a row like Holman did. That's all I was sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
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No, but it's not like he can schedule several in a row like Holman did. That's all I was sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Oh for sure. It's a good thing he's not out visiting everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
No but you bet he is doing zoom meetings and such
Yea. He's been visited tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
looks like our competition for Montgomery is StanfordQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Didn’t Stanford lose a few of their good players? It seemed like at least a couple other starters aside from Montgomery entered the portal. I’d use that against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
I am not sure but Stanford is trying desperately to get him back. The good thing is that Momma Bear is on our side.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
There's more to what he said than Stanford visiting/ meeting w him. Read that ever how you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
And he has Experienced as much as he can experience at Stanford.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
If he wanted to leave last year, has friends and former hs teammates at State, and Mom likes State, what could Stanford be offering that would make a difference at this point. Outside of guilting him into coming back, I can’t think of an angle for them.
I do not know the specifics but the longer Montgomery takes, the less confident I feel about him but I still feel like Montgomery comes to State. As far as Holman, I know the reports says that he is still undecided between State and LSU. I hear that we have people inside his circle. I am curious who those people are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
That's easy A STANFOED DEGREE !!!! one of the nations best.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
Odds of him returning to Stanford to get a degree are low. And yes I know he's a great student.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
You are not going to pull a talent as big as Montgomery without competition. It's like when you go out with a lady that is so hot that even police, older guys, resort staff, and security look at you like God Man. "Dude are a Russian Oligarch?"
Good Grief! I hate Lemonis for putting us in this position where we are at the mercy of 2 or 3 20 year olds to get State out of this mess. Whereas the teams we are competing with for these guys just played in Super Regionals and the CWS and don?t really need them to turn next year around. Really sad!
Note: I don?t hate Lemonis as a person. Just what he has done to this program!
damn man I hate the way things have gone the last 2 seasons but we are a player away from arguably the best line-up in the SEC. We need Holman but I can handle losing him to LSU- we arent going to win that battle very often when they have a competent coach. Not getting Montgomery would be extremely disappointingQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Baseball players are much more focused on their baseball career than whatever kind of degree they could get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
Baseball players are more cerebral in general so it isn't really shocking to me to see a guy like a Montgomery and a Skenes go somewhere like Stanford and Air Force respectively and then when they hit their junior year and it becomes obvious that baseball is a viable career path go in that direction and attend somewhere like Mississippi State or LSU.
What is probably biting the PAC 12 schools is suddenly becoming the SEC's minor league in baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Without USC and USC, they are not in the league of power conferences anymore. They become fancy mid majors.
Wait I thought pitching was all that mattered? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
In an interesting flip of the argument from earlier, I view the pitcher as the more important of 2, and you the hitter.
Pitching is absolutely more important. My post didnt say different. My post talked of the excitement of landing Montgomery who is much more likely to be at State than Holman. Landing top notch pitching is harder than landing position players- and going head up vs LSU makes it even harder. While I value the pitcher- I can handle losing a recruiting battle to LSU. They are country's top program in the last 30 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
If by "he" you mean me, yes you are absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If we do get Montgomery, I hope MSU admissions office accepts those Stanford credit hours.
Looks like we missed on all the pitchers if Holman does not join MSUQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Molina, The Wichita Kids, the Notre Dame Kid, and Burns all missed.
Gonna need Parker magic, JCs to be good, and TJs to recover
The Miami guy should compete for a weekend spot.
It will be beyond disappointing if we can’t get 2 good SP’s out of Loftin, Loo, and Holcombe. Last chance for the latter 2 as they will be gone with the draft next July
Yeah, I think most fans wanted to see a lot of arms out of the transfer portal. Seems like the staff disagrees and is more focused on rolling the dice on a Friday night ace.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Even if These guys become starters, we ain't gonna have a deep enough pen to make a run, especially after a couple of injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I mean we have a lot of arms with decent "stuff", they just need development. What we need are starters that can chew innings to get us to the arms we have that are successful in taking a step this offseason. We will not have 27 innings of pitching. But we may get say, 15 out of the guys we have. Need to bring in starters for the rest, a 1-2 inning a week reliever isn't going to cut it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1
As for the coaches, I think they did everything they could to convince every decent starter to come here. It was a loosing battle vs guys we had no inside track with, especially coming off these past 2 seasons. It was a hopeless fight when we didn't even have our PC hired, which it why it matters Lemo took so long to land one.
Basically I don't think we were "rolling the dice on a Friday night Ace", I think we were down 6 pts at the end of the game and were taking hail marries because that's what our situation calls for.
Out of those 3, 2 had 8+ ERAS and the 3rd had command issues and never got to pitch vs SEC hitters. Could we get 2 making a huge jump? Sure. But it's more likely we get 1/3, with maybe another contributing but not for many innings. That's if we're lucky imo. That's what the overall history of the sport says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Now, I'll actually be quite disappointed if the Miami guy can't perform as a Saturday level. ERA of 5 last year, but was hurt. Averaged over 5 innings a start vs ACC hitters who are decent. With Parker, I could see him going 5+ every Saturday with an ERA of 4.5. Basically, he SHOULD be able to replace Cade Smiths 5+ ERA and 5 innings a start.
The Miami kid should do alright. He will come with experience. He has pedigree of a big recruit. This is his year to shine, his upside could be tremendous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If we don't get Montgomery OR Holman we may as well start up the coaching search now. Also, a lot of people with big promises in this thread will have to eat some crow. I don't have insider info and never claimed too, but many here acted like some big transfers were silent commitsQuote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
I've been saying Montgomery for months. And if that changes, I'll own it.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Kendall has LSU sources and doesn't have State sources. His posts all off season are indicative of that. He's only getting fed corndog info.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I give no ****s what their ERA?s were last year as true Freshmen. They are all projected to be drafted fairly high. They have talent.
Um... ok... you know you yourself have said the MLB wanted Loo as a SS, right? Loftin was a highly thought of draft prospect, fair enough. Where was Holcombe drafted in 22?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But regardless, it's not like every top 10 round draft prospect ends up making the MLB. Even top 3 round guys bust. And that's with years of development, not just 1 offseason with a real PC like our guys will have. It's possible, but unfair to the even expect that of 2/3 of them. Hope you're right though. You better be if Holman picks LSU
A) Loo threw 28 innings his Sr year of HS. We are talking about a pitcher with top talent but not a ton of experience. He went from that to starting against SEC teams. He was put into a situation he wasnt prepared for. He should make a big jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
B) Holcombe is a work in progress. Tons of talent just raw
C) Loftin is the one I expect to make the rotation for sure. He was a little wild but he is a pitcher and thinks he is the best player on the field when he takes the mound. Really excited about him next Spring and wont be surprised at all if he is our Friday guy.
D) Simmons will be almost 2 years post TJ in January. A large number of pitchers are better post TJ than before. If he is not in the rotation he will likely be the 1st guy out of the pen.
I hope we get Holman but not stressed if we dont. We have talent- it has to be coached and then perform. A good PC makes that happen
Hearing that we may be receiving bad news on Holman today. This is coming from a source that is probably down a good bit on the grapevine, but the top of our grapevine doesn?t seem to know what is happening unless it is bad news for MSU.
I?ve been holding out a sliver of hope and still do but I?m afraid we pissed away any momentum that we had in terms of being able to recruit. It?s hard enough to out recruit the big schools as it is.
Honestly I don't think that's a huge surprise. Seems like I read where Holman and Montgomery wanted to play together too, so there's that. . . . . .
Lot of promises way back in this thread from some very confident individuals. I remember spme names but theres no value in calling then out. Even of we do land Montgomery (and it's dragged on so long I doubt we do) it's clear he's entertaining other offers, and so the promises a month ago about him being on board were jumping the gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
Let this be a lesson about "silent commits". People believe what they want. Recruits are nice to coaches faces, and some take that politenes evidence they love it here and will come. Fans are desperate for us to be good again and latch onto the lifeline of good transfer news.
If it sounds sketchy, it probably is. The whole idea that we had elite players "silently commited" and not even in the Portal yet was always a joke. It sounds like OM fans when they say McDonnell is going to replace Bianco as soon as OM calls. It sounds like that kid in 9th grade that totally had a GF, but she goes to another school and no you can't see a pic. No other schools have commits delay their announcement for very long... unless that player is still shopping for something better. Like a guy who wants a multi year long engagement.
Anybody expecting to get Holman over LSU was kidding themselves. It could happen- but was always a very slim chance.
Losing Montgomery? No excuse there