2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think a 86-88 would be fair. It's all about how big he gets. If 250lbs he stays at the OLB rush spot. If he gets to 270 he's a hand in the dirt DE. Is he Gerri Green or is he Kobe Jones.

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I see him more as a rush-stopping DE than a pass rusher.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I see him more as a rush-stopping DE than a pass rusher.

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That's fair.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

What I want

Buckhaulter
Knox
Nabers
Coleman
K. Johnson

What I expect

Buckhaulter
Knox
Lofton
Coleman
K. Johnson

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Any known commitment dates or kinda time frames on any of these guys that aren't committed yet? I was hoping with Sawyer committed & recruiting for us, we'd get a couple more in the boat during summer time. But figured some might still want to wait to see the air raid live in action in Starkville.

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I kinda lean to agree with you too. I've watched Moore's tape several times and I really like him. He's a 6'3"-6'4" guy with legit mid-late 4.4 speed. And I like Buckhaulter, he's a big physical kid. But seems like in this scheme, you'd want as much speed as you can get and Moore seems to be a bit faster than Buckhaulter is. But honestly, I'd take either of them and be perfectly happy just from what we're used to recruiting and getting at WR.

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Yep. Give me the guy with speed all day. Speed wins in this league. That's why I'm pumped about being in the game with Knox/Lofton/Nabers

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Any known commitment dates or kinda time frames on any of these guys that aren't committed yet? I was hoping with Sawyer committed & recruiting for us, we'd get a couple more in the boat during summer time. But figured some might still want to wait to see the air raid live in action in Starkville.

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It's not summer time yet.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

It's not summer time yet.

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I'm aware of that IYOK lol. That's why I'm asking about time frames & why I made the summer time comment. Because that's less than a month away.

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I'm aware of that IYOK lol. That's why I'm asking about time frames & why I made the summer time comment. Because that's less than a month away.

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I expect 2-3 WR commit by the end of the summer.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think a 86-88 would be fair. It's all about how big he gets. If 250lbs he stays at the OLB rush spot. If he gets to 270 he's a hand in the dirt DE. Is he Gerri Green or is he Kobe Jones.

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I pulled up his video & he's rangy. My first thought was KJ Wright, but I have no idea what his speed is. Kind of a Derrick Hall type maybe.

Does he have the speed to play the hybrid 3-4 OLB/DE?

https://www.hudl.com/profile/11034221/Tyvoris-Cooper

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Yep. Give me the guy with speed all day. Speed wins in this league. That's why I'm pumped about being in the game with Knox/Lofton/Nabers

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THIS

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I pulled up his video & he's rangy. My first thought was KJ Wright, but I have no idea what his speed is. Kind of a Derrick Hall type maybe.

Does he have the speed to play the hybrid 3-4 OLB/DE?

https://www.hudl.com/profile/11034221/Tyvoris-Cooper

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The 3-3-5 standup OLB is basically a standup rush end. It just depends on how big he gets.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

The 3-3-5 standup OLB is basically a standup rush end. It just depends on how big he gets.

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Either way, I'm a fan of these types of athletes. Due to their versatility, you usually get your scholly money's worth. Special teams, 3rd down, etc. They can usually help you

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Yep. Give me the guy with speed all day. Speed wins in this league. That's why I'm pumped about being in the game with Knox/Lofton/Nabers

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So, breaking down who we're after & their speed:

Knox- legitimately one of the fastest recruits in the entire country regardless of position, clocked at a 4.42 forty as a sophomore & a 10.4 in the 100m also as a sophomore & a 21.03 in the 200m as a sophomore. (& he's got a 36" vertical). Kid is an absolute weapon.

Lofton- don't know any official listed times but turn on his tape, he's not quite as fast as Knox but he's somewhere in the 4.4's easily. He's got game-changing speed.

Nabers- don't know an official time on him either but he's got to be a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy who can also elevate and win 50/50 balls. Love his game.

Coleman- probably the most raw but also has the highest ceiling and potential. He's uber athletic and has to be low-mid 4.5's which at his size is freakish. D1 football and basketball kid. Idk what his vertical is but it's got to be ridiculous.

Kanarius Johnson- he's turned into one of my favorite guys we're on. I think he's the 2nd best WR in the state. He's tall and rangy but also pretty physical and probably a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy.

Jacobi Moore- 6'3"-6'4" kid who is really athletic and raw but has legit mid-late 4.4 speed and is quick twitched too for a taller kid.

Buckhaulter- big, tall physical kid. Probably a mid-late 4.5 if I had to guess. But he is really good at high pointing the ball. I'd love to sign him at Safety and take another WR.

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

So, breaking down who we're after & their speed:

Knox- legitimately one of the fastest recruits in the entire country regardless of position, clocked at a 4.42 forty as a sophomore & a 10.4 in the 100m also as a sophomore & a 21.03 in the 200m as a sophomore. (& he's got a 36" vertical). Kid is an absolute weapon.

Lofton- don't know any official listed times but turn on his tape, he's not quite as fast as Knox but he's somewhere in the 4.4's easily. He's got game-changing speed.

Nabers- don't know an official time on him either but he's got to be a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy who can also elevate and win 50/50 balls. Love his game.

Coleman- probably the most raw but also has the highest ceiling and potential. He's uber athletic and has to be low-mid 4.5's which at his size is freakish. D1 football and basketball kid. Idk what his vertical is but it's got to be ridiculous.

Kanarius Johnson- he's turned into one of my favorite guys we're on. I think he's the 2nd best WR in the state. He's tall and rangy but also pretty physical and probably a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy.

Jacobi Moore- 6'3"-6'4" kid who is really athletic and raw but has legit mid-late 4.4 speed and is quick twitched too for a taller kid.

Buckhaulter- big, tall physical kid. Probably a mid-late 4.5 if I had to guess. But he is really good at high pointing the ball. I'd love to sign him at Safety and take another WR.

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I doubt a lot of those guys run legit 4.4's.

I got bored, so I decided to make a wish-list of 2021 recruits by position. Not saying I think we get all of them, but these are guys I think we have a realistic chance with.

QB:
Sawyer Robertson
Ty Keyes

RB:
Amariyon Howard
Carlois Walker

That is if it's a two RB class. If they only take one, I'd prefer Walker bc I've seen him in person and I think he's going to be a stud, but they both need to be evaluated more.

WR:
Deion Smith (long shot)
Theodore Knox
Malik Nabers
Keon Coleman
Kanarius Johnson
Jacobi Moore
Brandon Buckhaulter
De'wain Lofton

Get five of these, and I'll be happy.

OL:

Makylan Pounders
Rod Orr
Caleb Etienne (Juco)
Weston Franklin
Jakiah Leftwich
Reid Gavin (if we miss on a couple of those above)

DL:

Nick Dimitris
Ty Cooper
Jamond Gordon (Juco)
Byron Murphy
Devin Lee

Hopefully some new targets emerge


LB:
Navonteque Strong (Juco)
Timar Rogers
Prince Kollie
Chase Smith
Thomas Davis

Again, when summer hits and kids can start being evaluated again, I expect some new names to emerge.

CB:

Justin Walley
Cortez Eatmon (Juco)
Jadarrius Perkins (Juco)

S:

Kadarius Calloway
Corey Ellington

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I got bored, so I decided to make a wish-list of 2021 recruits by position. Not saying I think we get all of them, but these are guys I think we have a realistic chance with.

QB:
Sawyer Robertson
Ty Keyes

RB:
Amariyon Howard
Carlois Walker

That is if it's a two RB class. If they only take one, I'd prefer Walker bc I've seen him in person and I think he's going to be a stud, but they both need to be evaluated more.

WR:
Deion Smith (long shot)
Theodore Knox
Malik Nabers
Keon Coleman
Kanarius Johnson
Jacobi Moore
Brandon Buckhaulter
De'wain Lofton

Get five of these, and I'll be happy.

OL:

Makylan Pounders
Rod Orr
Caleb Etienne (Juco)
Weston Franklin
Jakiah Leftwich
Reid Gavin (if we miss on a couple of those above)

DL:

Nick Dimitris
Ty Cooper
Jamond Gordon (Juco)
Byron Murphy
Devin Lee

Hopefully some new targets emerge


LB:
Navonteque Strong (Juco)
Timar Rogers
Prince Kollie
Chase Smith
Thomas Davis

Again, when summer hits and kids can start being evaluated again, I expect some new names to emerge.

CB:

Justin Walley
Cortez Eatmon (Juco)
Jadarrius Perkins (Juco)

S:

Kadarius Calloway
Corey Ellington

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Thumbtack this list and let?s keep it updated! Great post!

Losing Deion Smith will mean that for 4 straight years the top recruit in MS will have left.

Pretty terrible

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I got bored, so I decided to make a wish-list of 2021 recruits by position. Not saying I think we get all of them, but these are guys I think we have a realistic chance with.

QB:
Sawyer Robertson
Ty Keyes

RB:
Amariyon Howard
Carlois Walker

That is if it's a two RB class. If they only take one, I'd prefer Walker bc I've seen him in person and I think he's going to be a stud, but they both need to be evaluated more.

WR:
Deion Smith (long shot)
Theodore Knox
Malik Nabers
Keon Coleman
Kanarius Johnson
Jacobi Moore
Brandon Buckhaulter
De'wain Lofton

Get five of these, and I'll be happy.

OL:

Makylan Pounders
Rod Orr
Caleb Etienne (Juco)
Weston Franklin
Jakiah Leftwich
Reid Gavin (if we miss on a couple of those above)

DL:

Nick Dimitris
Ty Cooper
Jamond Gordon (Juco)
Byron Murphy
Devin Lee

Hopefully some new targets emerge


LB:
Navonteque Strong (Juco)
Timar Rogers
Prince Kollie
Chase Smith
Thomas Davis

Again, when summer hits and kids can start being evaluated again, I expect some new names to emerge.

CB:

Justin Walley
Cortez Eatmon (Juco)
Jadarrius Perkins (Juco)

S:

Kadarius Calloway
Corey Ellington

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Walker is a good RB from the film I watched of NC during his sophomore year. I trust our coaches evals, but I was told he couldn?t catch a cold. They said he?d be a monster in Mullen?s MSU offense, but has a lot of work to do to fit what Leach does.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Losing Deion Smith will mean that for 4 straight years the top recruit in MS will have left.

Pretty terrible

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I doubt people are still taking this bait from you.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Losing Deion Smith will mean that for 4 straight years the top recruit in MS will have left.

Pretty terrible

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Malik Heath was the top recruit in MS in 2018 by both the composite and 247 rankings. Charles Cross was the top recruit in MS for 2019 by 247.

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Originally Posted by msu15

Malik Heath was the top recruit in MS in 2018 by both the composite and 247 rankings. Charles Cross was the top recruit in MS for 2019 by 247.

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I stand corrected. Akers was the year before.

Akers
Heath
Dean - higher rated than Cross.
Jackson
Smith

So that 4 of 5 years. That's not good

Unless you think it's good. Do you think this is a good job by MSU? only Heath actually took a visit to MSU. Think about that