Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I think 247 could benefit from adding a 3.5 star that gives a boost to the 87-90 rated players
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Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I think 247 could benefit from adding a 3.5 star that gives a boost to the 87-90 rated players
This is my opinion as well. Some just want to be a development program thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Pollodawg
I don't think that's the goal either. We've long talked about to really recruit well we have to recruit better OOS. Mullen signed 6 4* OOS players from 09-17. So far JoeMo has signed 3 has 1 committed & sit well with 2 more. So again we can't say he's recruiting the same when after 2 years & a couple months it's a realistic thought that he could match the higher end OOS recruiting that Mullen did in 8 years. Progress is being made but of course it's not fast enough or loud enough for some & I get that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Would stop with the ex-girlfriend comparisons. You need to decide whether you want to be a Dawg or a Gator and move on. Appreciate some of your comments but you got to let it go.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Never mind
Or they should do away with the 268 cap on 4*s that they give. https://247sports.com/college/appala...anation-81574/. Right now, 247 has 351 players rated 4* or better in the composite rankings. By their own system, that means that 51 players who are 4*s today in the composite aren't considered 4*s by 247. That tells you how much subjectivity there is in the evaluations and as we all know it is not an exact science.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Who would you rather have had as a QB at MSU in the 2011 class? 5* Jeff Driskel or 3* Dak Prescott? Which rating was correct in terms of performance and potential?
Hindsight makes decisions easy. Would you take Uiagalelei or will Rogers this cycle?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I get your point, but honestly, in recruiting I'd rather have 3 Jeff Driskel's than 1 Dak Prescott & take my chancesQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
There's a difference in recruiting to "win a bunch of games" and recruiting to win the division. Shotgun is correct in his assesments. Moorhead is landing a lot of his top targets, and you have to be pleased with that, but they're, at this point, for the most part 3* guys. Yes, not all 3*s are created equal, but without having at least half of your roster being comprised of 4 and 5*s, you cannot win the division. It's the history of the league since the modern recruiting database became available. So, you have to ask yourself what is the goal? If it's to win some games and be bowl eligible and maybe have a run every 4th year where we win 10 games then yeah, this recruiting performance can get you there with elite coaching (of which we currently do not have based on last seasons results, but willing to give some leeway to see what happens this year). If you want to really compete for the crown, you have to recruit better than this. I know that sounds harsh, but it's just the straight facts.
Considering the division we're in, I'm perfectly fine with 8 wins most years with the 10-win season every 3-4 years. Maintaining a 10 win pace will be almost impossible... if we land a coach that can get it done, he'll be taken from us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
Not dogging three star kids, per se. They can be the backbone of your program. You just have to snag some four and five stars, which we have, to leaven the bread, so-to-speak.
Go. Away.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
To a degree hindsight makes it easy. You also have reality of staring you in the face that we are still years away from recruiting at the level Shotgun is proposing. Our best year in the last 10 saw 7 4* players (2015). Since 2010, we have averaged 4.5 4*s or higher. That was an increase over to 2000-2009 period that saw an average of 3.1. Expecting us to double that number quickly isn't realistic. Joe signed 6 in each of his first 2 classes - Dan did that three times in 9 classes. Getting to 6-7 a class on a regular basis is probably a realistic plateau for right now. It's not satisfying, but I don't see any way to make a leap that large. So, you have to work toward increasing the number of 4*s while still recognizing that we are still a program that has to do an excellent job of landing talent that needs development.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You're skipping steps though with what you're talking about. We've been a Top 25-28 recruiting profile which has been good for 7-8 wins a year. What you're talking about is a Top 10-15 recruiting profile. Our next step is consistently in the Top 17 - 22 range. That should make us a consistent 8-10 win team. That's the next step not jumping over that straight to consistently challenging for the division. Get to a consistent 8-10 win team & every 2-3 years you can challenge for the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
agree....For every 4 star we get there are 4 other teams in our division....not just conference...DIVISION... that are getting 3 or 4. It sucks but it's just the way it is. Frankly I am getting sick and tired of being mediocre and even more sick and tired of the sunshine pumping sect of our fanbase acting like Moorhead is recruiting lights out when he is not. Quantity don't equal quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeKaplan
So inaccurate narratives can thrive?
Want to get me to go away? Post with accuracy & stop praising mediocrity. There is a difference in firing mediocrity & not praising mediocrity. I am not in favor or am close to being in favor of firing Moorhead, but I'm not going to praise him for gobbling up solid 3 stars in Mississippi. He had 18 instate 4 & 5 stars last year & missed on most.
We've been to 9 straight bowl games though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
If being a consistent winner doesn't seem to help recruiting, what does?
Can we at least see how the new staff does with 2-3 full recruiting cycles before we make this determination?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We've averaged 8 wins over the last decade. At what point should we start expecting a next step? How many years in a row can the patience card be played? I've done the numbers on it. There's 10 MS HS blue chips every year, you need to land at least half of them. There's 4 MS Juco blue chips every year, you have to land one of those. There's 350+ non MS blue chips every year, you need to land 4 of those. It's not a cake walk, but people acting as if signing 10 blue chips every year is some ridiculous number have no aspiration for this program. It is quite doable.
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
There is little difference between high 3 star players and 4 star players.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Stop worrying about what these recruiting guys rate a player and look more at offers he has.
Plus if we keep hitting jucos with instant impact players that are P5 talent we will continue to have success
Even so, look at the offer lists of the current commits at aTm, auburn, Alabama, and LSU compared to ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
It's pretty well know how many 4 & 5 stars you need on your roster to compete for the West. You're probably right in that there isn't much difference in reality between these guys & many 4 stars, but on paper there is. We simply won't meet the profile of a contender until we are landing about 10 4+ stars a yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I will say this though, dean is a 3-star we should always take. I love this commitment... I think some of our others may be reaches
No. recruiting services know more than Saban, Smart and all of the actual people at the programs who evaluate these kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by vv83
It's just like betting against the house in blackjack. Sure, you can win, but in the aggregate over time they win. That's the code for recruiting in college football. If you don't have 50% blue chip ratio, you don't have a chance. Until someone comes along and turns the game upside down, that's the standard. There's been a couple of teams come close. Oregon in 2014 was the closest anyone has come. You have to have elite QB play, favorable schedule, and a decent bit of underranked talent. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it hasn't been done yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
If that's the barometer then you're never going to be happy. Those are top 12 recruiting schools. We have to get closer to them in recruiting we're not going to recruit like them. Again we can win a ton of games if we move up to that consistent 17-22 range. That's an extra couple of 4* a class. That's where we need to move up to 1st.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think Scott frost may be that guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
I don't want my posts on here to be misconstrued that I think everything is great with recruiting & we can't improve. I definitely know we have to get better but I also see the effort this staff is making. Of course this is a results oriented business but usually better effort lead to better results. I like the discussion & back & forth. I just like to acknowledge the small gains we're making while realizing there's more work to do.
Good to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
When is the next "big class" in Mississippi?
I realize the 2019 one was rare, but is there another really strong one coming up?
2021 will be very good. Now will it be 2019 I doubt it. That class had been talked about since they were in 10th grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We'll have to have a verdict then I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Fair enough....I think this will turn out to be a middle of the road class for us. It isn't going to kill us. I do think Joe is still learning and I think in the future he will hold off taking certain kids so early (Ducking, Anderson-Butts. etc., come to mind) and pushing to get a higher rated kid in. I also believe that we have to accept that we are going to plateau until Joe figures out how to recruit more efficiently and has all of his contacts in place. I also think Joe has to show the world that he can field a competent offense. That should happen shortly. People like Joe and if he proves he can win at this level we should be able to take the next step.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
If true, I have a huge problem with this. Can't learn in this conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
Ole Miss just landed a 92 rated safety from Shreveport.
How? What in hell?
Will they get Jackson and pegues?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
LSU already has two higher rated safeties committed...but yeaQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
He isn’t a take yet for LSU and the only other sec offer outside of OM is UK .. maybe he signs with OM maybe he doesn’t .. Dean > and it’s not really close ... again stop star gazingQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You can't be serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
How about they get the ranking right?
How else are you supposed to follow recruiting? One is ranked a 92 & the other an 86. Those two players aren't remotely close in the rankings. If the 86 is better than the 92, then we may as well ditch recruiting rankings
So since I posted look for the bell to be ringing , we get a commit from arguable the most talented in state with Dean , prob going to land 2 more big time recruits before weeks end or the weekend and
3/4 of the post have been bitching about recruiting .. it’s pretty amazing ....