A case of the truth? A case of I?m livid what Keenum and company have done to football?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
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A case of the truth? A case of I?m livid what Keenum and company have done to football?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Im not steering anyone away from anything. If you think a HS kid is listening to anyone but money and whoever their handler is you ain?t near as smart as you try to come off on here. The takes on this board about stuff yall don?t know is just absolutely mind boggling. What did Brandon do to you man?Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
Will is gone. I defended him to nth degree. While the board was blasting him. You would blame it on wr or OL. Will never played bad in your eyes. Always someone else's fault. Then you turned into the ultimate CML defender..... well if CML was so great why did. Our wr on OL suck when Will was playing?? I'll hang up and wait for a bs answerQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
damn i didn't know the transfer portal could transfer you back in time. Can we spin the dial to take us from post 2023 offseason to post 2013 offseason?
17 u Seaton and your whore coach kifffen i hope you give each other herpes.and then both of you catch leprosy and your dicks falloff.
My bad, I wasn't aware all your ire was towards Keenum. I thought you were implying you knew more football and were smarter than all of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Actually I am. I?m from the area. Know the coaches. I also know how Brandon has brought in players from surrounding areas to really up that program. I also know of an assistant DB coach there that loves to come on here and trash the program every chance he gets because he got real close to will rogers. Funny you never said anything about Ashun?s lack of PT after declaring him a future NFL player.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
And yes?you keep running your mouth like this and players will hear it and get skeptical. But you?re right, they probably don?t wanna listen to the assistant DB coach. Not the DB coach, the assistant DB coach. At least 34 has some OC experience, although they may have sucked.
Oh he is....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
The picture becomes clearer. According to what I am seeing, we did not squander money or hang on to it until too late. We did not have Seaton money. Once Seaton entered, the money was offered. So we did not pass on players waiting for a what if on a player.
The good news for me is that we have somebody that came in late to step up and hopefully will hang around.
Yall want it both ways. I haven?t mentioned Will or Leach half as much as yall do. When I disagree yall want to jump back on that train. But the only answer, and this is indisputable facts, y?all hated them both and since one died and one got lied to, along with all his other teammates because of our admins lack of guts and balls, we have been utter dog shit. And will continue to be until a change is madeQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Womp womp wrong again. You?re about to catch 34 in swings and misses. Again, message me if you want to. But you won?t. That crow will be tough to swallow. Idk where or when or why we got down to what someone does for a living on a message board or why it even matters. I couldn?t care less what you think you know no matter how wrong it is. If someone?s opinion on a message board gets you that upset then you maybe should spend more time reflecting and not posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
our opinions sure have your lil panties up the crotch
I never hated Will. Liked him matter of fact. I would say when he played well, and also when he played bad. Which you refused to do. It was never ever his fault. As for CML, I didnt love the offense. But he was paid to win games. Which we did pretty well. Some times bc of offense. Sometimes bc arnett saved his ass. W that said he was a great guy to hang around and have a beer with. Legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I?ll be honest. I was never WR fan.
Nobody is mentioning Will and / or Leach to rehash old debates. It just pointing out since that time you have been negative to the extreme about everything concerning our football program. Sorry you want to twist the debate around to it being about Will and Leach. That is not we are pointing out, you use to be a fair and even poster. I can't remember the last positive thing you said about football. I do remember you not peaking your head out much the early part of the year when we were winning. I might have missed it but I don't recall what or if you said anything positive after AZ ST. Or if you were still in hibernation fuming and waiting for when we lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
The Auburn comeback will always be my favorite WR memory. He was a system QB for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Thick
How many games did he play in? Weak arm, slower than molasses on a cold winter day, and never clutch. Tell me how bad his offensive line was, but I think this year?s would by most be considered just as bad or worse. His advantage over Shapen was Leach. I would like to see what kind of numbers Shapen would have put up with Leach. I would have loved to have seen Omar Connor with Mullen or Leach. Great talent terrible timing coach wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
It was a lot. He started his FR year during Georgia in 20 iirc. If you’re comparing Rogers to Shapen, Shapen is better and it’s not close. I agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by Thick
Bucky gonna lose his mind over this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
Man this is a stretch and I'm not a WR fan. Shapen was never an SEC QBQuote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
How do you come to that conclusion? Shapen threw for 12.5 YPC, 2:1 TD ratio and the worst OL I?ve ever seen at State. Rogers threw for 9.5 YPC his best year here with Charles Cross protecting his blind side. He did have 4:1 ratio which is excellent but also attributed to literally never taking downfield shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
It?s hard to compare them because the offenses were so different but Shapen takes a ton of hate around here thats unwarranted because of how bad our OL is. If he had legs he would have been pretty good here but he didnt so he is equal as WR imo when it comes to mobility.
Shapen wasn't near as bad as some led you to believe. We just have the backup is best guy on campus syndrome. Yes, Kt is talented. Gonna be good. But shapen gave us the best chance to wil all year.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
I agree that Shapen paired with a competent offensive line would have been fine. He was not the QB we needed though when constantly having to try and get away from a pass rush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
And when we had a mobile qb w the same line we did so well.....Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I think we have a LOT of fans that learned their lesson on that this year after the Egg Bowl and the Mayo Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Turns out that SEC football is a little bit different than Yalobusha County HS football where you can just stick your best athlete at QB and let them run around and play backyard football and it works sometimes.
We don't even get to the Mayo Bowl without Shapen.
Will's issue is he would rarely throw deep. He had poor in game awareness in general and instead of throwing deep when he could he would default to check downs. And he would try to do too much. See the 2022 Egg Bowl as exhibit A. WTF was he thinking trying to run the ball in like he was Dak Prescott when all he had to do was hand it off to Dillion Johnson who deserved the TD anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Look at film of MSU vs LSU in 2020 vs pretty much any Will Rogers game. We took way more deep shots in the LSU game than we ever did with Will. And if we had Kamario or Sawyer Robertson or whoever running the offense it would have been more like LSU 2020.
Shapen's legs were not that bad. It's like our fans have this extremely high standard for what QB mobility looks like. His OL was horrendous. Like Tennessee for example- that shot he took from his blindside where he fumbled the ball- Mick Vick wouldn't have been able to avoid that. On top of that, we spent the whole offseason NOT wanting Shapen to run so he wouldn't get hurt. Then our fans got enamored with KT and started to say Shapen was immobile.
Shapen would have killed it with Leach. Conner? Maybe. Leach would have coached him up for sure. I think he definitely fits Dan's offense better than Leach's though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
Well, KT as a true freshman, had his own shortcomings. But if we could have had even a Shapen equivalent QB in the passing department that was more mobile we would have been a lot better off. Hard to have a pro style pocket QB when the pocket keeps collapsing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
What unclaimed players in the portal do we have that we would take back?
Can?t imagine any. Just saw Stonka is at Memphis now too lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
None. I think there's only a few we would've considered.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Jayven James-We didn't want to lose Jayven but he got his feelings hurt we were pursuing Seaton. So he transferred and we took Sneh. We honestly upgraded.
Tony Mitchell-Tony got out of shape and was playing 25-30 lbs above where he needed to be playing. We would've taken him back but he would've had to have been extremely committed and the new defensive staff never got that vibe.
Braylon Burnside-He didn't want to play Defense. He keeps getting fed terrible advice that he is a WR at the collegiate level and he's not. But it's his life. He got a nice payday from us for two years with no production. He needed to go or have his NIL brought down to room and board.
Jimothy Lewis-We would have liked to have kept him but the writing was beginning to be written in permanent marker on the wall. He just wasn't developing like we needed him to develop.
The others were told to seek opportunities elsewhere.
When Blake had time, Blake was good. Unfortunately we didn't have the line to give Blake the time he needed. I think the line issues caused Blake to get way to sped up at time and try to either get the ball out too quick or lock into the pre snap defensive read and not really pay attention post snap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Blake's attitude also got awful as the year went along and that never helped him with the fanbase.
Yeah - Blake got shell shocked. I can't say as I blame him. He kind of reminded me of Steve Bartkowski with the Falcons back in the 80s. Hit so much he developed "happy feet" in the pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I would have tried to move Lewis to guard which he likely wouldn't have wanted to do if I had to guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
In today's day and age of college football, if you're not producing in some form or fashion you're taking up a spot. Jimothy wouldn't have accepted being a backup and learning the Tackle position so he needed to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I think that's part of it and I also think our offense was so predicated on the deep ball that if it wasn't there, Blake got nervous and didn't want to work through the read.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
James - how do we know Sneh is an upgrade?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Lewis - none of our OL were developing. Seeing as though they left and went to programs that have been better than us (Mizzou, bama, cal, mizzou), I wonder if Loadholt's inability to develop is more of the problem than the OL talent....
Because James was an awful LT. He was never going to be the starter. He was always going to be battling for a starting spot elsewhere. But for some reason, he was convinced that he was going to be the starting LT and got butthurt when we went after Seaton.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
On Lewis and our other OL, Work nor Owens will play much, if at all at Mizzou. Jimothy nor James will play at Bama. No clue why they went there. Those are just the one's I remember, any other lineman isn't really worth mentioning because they didn't play.
Jimothy went to cal not bama. Bama must be desperate. They paid James out the butt for a guy that's avg at best. That shows how few OL are available for everyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Damn I thought he was at Bama. Well then he'll probably play out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg