The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Not sure where your getting that info. According to this those countries are down
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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What? What "countries"? I'm only talking about Spain. This was Spain's official numbers.

Down from what? The official numbers were 3,272 new cases and 391 deaths yesterday. Certainly not down.

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Originally Posted by hacker

What? What "countries"? I'm only talking about Spain. This was Spain's official numbers.

Down from what? The official numbers were 3,272 new cases and 391 deaths yesterday. Certainly not down.

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If you looked at the link I sent (assumption I know) you can see that Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland & England, the six European countries with the largest viral outbreaks, all had declining total new daily cases and/or deaths in the past 24 hours.

By all means continue your agenda
You know what "pandemic" is short for??
Pan- panic. Demic- epidemic

All I'm saying is the info your posting isn't really matching up with what's actually happening

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

Well, for starters he never said IT was a hoax. He said the democrats using it against him was going to be their next big hoax like Russia and Ukraine.
Where do you get the 2 full months thing? As of January 14th, the head of the World Health Organization stated there was no evidence of human to human transmission. We banned travel from China 2 weeks later at which time he was called a racist and xenophobic. Actually, on the 15th, we started warning Americans in China. So, obviously action taken and acknowledging the problem immediately after the W.H.O. stated there wasnt one.

Also, where do you get that poor people aren't going to get a check based on their 2018 tax return? Do you ever read articles or do you just look at the pictures? EVERY adult will get a check based on their 2018 tax return.. The less you made, the more likely you are to get the FULL amount. The initial plan I saw was for the full amount for anything under $55k with a gradual decrease until anyone over $99k didn't get anything. I'm not saying it was going to be those exact numbers but that's how it was structured. I say was because Schumer and his cronies killed it tonight.

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He called it a hoax. That's the message he sent to the American people. You can argue semantics about what he was calling a hoax, but (as we have proven in this thread) the average american is not that smart. The message was sent that this was a liberal hoax to not take that serious. To quote Donny Boy, he was "WRONG."

I didn't say poor people weren't getting a check. I said the problem was that they would get LESS. I capitalized it in this post in hope you read it this time.

And again, why based on 2018? That doesn't solve the issue. There are so many people that misses. Imagine being someone who was in prison and paid their debt to society in 2018 or before. Then didn't get a job till 2019. Now their out a job and the government would have screwed them over.

And they didn't kill it from what I read. They forced tabling it until the afternoon. Seems there is specifics that don't sit right with them. They want the bill to be better for Americans. But no, the Democrats don't want you to get a check ��. They don't believe in UBI ��.

Those of you who continue to openly defend our tardy response to this are the real problem. The President continues his attempts to minimize and deflect because his base of followers (my estimate is 35%of the electorate.) will not accept reality. Rather than face the reality of a true medical crisis, some of you pop up when he speaks, become orgasmic at the sound of his voice, then bury your heads back in the sand when someone presents facts.
We F??D up and allowed ourselves to be blind sided by this crisis. Six to eight weeks ago, we had an opportunity to be proactive, but because of poor leadership, that opportunity was squandered. Those of you (fewer by the day, thankfully. ) who continue to prop up and enable the President are damn killing people. We need leadership just like we would have gotten from any previous President in recent memory, Democrat or Republican. Today, rather than leadership, we get buffoonery and some of you act as if that is perfectly okay.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

If you looked at the link I sent (assumption I know) you can see that Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland & England, the six European countries with the largest viral outbreaks, all had declining total new daily cases and/or deaths in the past 24 hours.

By all means continue your agenda
You know what "pandemic" is short for??
Pan- panic. Demic- epidemic

All I'm saying is the info your posting isn't really matching up with what's actually happening

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Those charts are not updated with the latest data. Check the date on the last bar. Look at the numbers.

And "pan-" means "all"

I mean, scroll to the bottom of the page here:

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/spain/

March 23 (GMT)
4321 new cases and 434 new deaths in Spain

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

If you looked at the link I sent (assumption I know) you can see that Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland & England, the six European countries with the largest viral outbreaks, all had declining total new daily cases and/or deaths in the past 24 hours.

By all means continue your agenda
You know what "pandemic" is short for??
Pan- panic. Demic- epidemic

All I'm saying is the info your posting isn't really matching up with what's actually happening

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He literally stated numbers from Spain. Not anywhere else. Spain and Italy are the two worst cases right now and their outbreaks are comparable to what we will likely see.

But yea man, the guy posting strictly numbers with no agenda has an agenda. Imagine. Pretty sure hacker just keeps reporting neutrally. Crazy how one side thinks it's panic posting. Almost like the side not based in reality believes facts have an agenda??

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

He called it a hoax. That's the message he sent to the American people. You can argue semantics about what he was calling a hoax, but (as we have proven in this thread) the average american is not that smart. The message was sent that this was a liberal hoax to not take that serious. To quote Donny Boy, he was "WRONG."

I didn't say poor people weren't getting a check. I said the problem was that they would get LESS. I capitalized it in this post in hope you read it this time.

And again, why based on 2018? That doesn't solve the issue. There are so many people that misses. Imagine being someone who was in prison and paid their debt to society in 2018 or before. Then didn't get a job till 2019. Now their out a job and the government would have screwed them over.

And they didn't kill it from what I read. They forced tabling it until the afternoon. Seems there is specifics that don't sit right with them. They want the bill to be better for Americans. But no, the Democrats don't want you to get a check ��. They don't believe in UBI ��.

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Here's the snopes on trump calling it a hoax
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...-rally-remark/

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

He literally stated numbers from Spain. Not anywhere else. Spain and Italy are the two worst cases right now and their outbreaks are comparable to what we will likely see.

But yea man, the guy posting strictly numbers with no agenda has an agenda. Imagine. Pretty sure hacker just keeps reporting neutrally. Crazy how one side thinks it's panic posting. Almost like the side not based in reality believes facts have an agenda??

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Just to add to this, I have no political allegiance. I don't vote. I'm an engineer and interested in stats and numbers. I am quite concerned for what could happen here based on the numbers. I do post good numbers and trends when I see them, but there hasn't been a whole lot of that to post yet.

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

He literally stated numbers from Spain. Not anywhere else. Spain and Italy are the two worst cases right now and their outbreaks are comparable to what we will likely see.

But yea man, the guy posting strictly numbers with no agenda has an agenda. Imagine. Pretty sure hacker just keeps reporting neutrally. Crazy how one side thinks it's panic posting. Almost like the side not based in reality believes facts have an agenda??

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My last post on this subject. Namely cause some of y'all are so left wing it's unbearable

I will not let fear dictate how I live my life. I will be cautious and observant but not fearful. I have lost a parent, I have a parent with underlying health issues and I have lost grandparents so I am not immune to loss of loved ones or concern for loved ones.
I also understand that we are in a far better place from healthcare, leadership, and hygiene than China, Italy and other countries. I also know that more people that are tested that more people will test positive and a large majority of them will be fine and some will not
I lift those up and those family's up in thoughts that won't be ok. But as a relatively healthy 42 year old in MS I won't allow myself be consumed by something that has a less mortality rate than auto accidents, seasonal flue, cancer, or other epidemics in this world. If we all reacted this way to other diseases we face everyday how would this world even function

Feel free to bash me I don't care. I just refuse to live in fear

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Originally Posted by hacker

Just to add to this, I have no political allegiance. I don't vote. I'm an engineer and interested in stats and numbers. I am quite concerned for what could happen here based on the numbers. I do post good numbers and trends when I see them, but there hasn't been a whole lot of that to post yet.

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As I wrote in a previous post, the problem with posting all the official numbers is that the official numbers of total cases do not account for all of the people who do not meet the criteria to even be tested. The total number of reported cases is skewed - to small - which makes the death rate seem larger than it actually is.

I am not saying that we should not take precautions but the death rate is not as high as they make it out to be - percentage of TOTAL cases that is.

So anyone who who sees this situation for what it is, a national health crisis, is ?left wing?? That comment sir, validated my premise 100%. Good God.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

As I wrote in a previous post, the problem with posting all the official numbers is that the official numbers of total cases do not account for all of the people who do not meet the criteria to even be tested. The total number of reported cases is skewed - to small - which makes the death rate seem larger than it actually is.

I am not saying that we should not take precautions but the death rate is not as high as they make it out to be - percentage of TOTAL cases that is.

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I agree that the death rate is probably actually quite lower than their numbers show, especially considering asymptomatic cases. But what is worrisome is the numbers continue to grow. Regardless of if it's a 1% or a 9% death rate in Italy, the fact of the matter is that based on the numbers they gave us a week ago and the numbers we got yesterday, the death rate continues to grow. Last week when I first posted Italy's numbers, they had a 6.9% death rate. Now they're up to 9.3%. Italy has had around 40% more total deaths over the past two days than on an average day a year ago.

This ain't the flu.

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Originally Posted by hacker

I agree that the death rate is probably actually quite lower than their numbers show, especially considering asymptomatic cases. But what is worrisome is the numbers continue to grow. Regardless of if it's a 1% or a 9% death rate in Italy, the fact of the matter is that based on the numbers they gave us a week ago and the numbers we got yesterday, the death rate continues to grow. Last week when I first posted Italy's numbers, they had a 6.9% death rate. Now they're up to 9.3%. Italy has had around 40% more total deaths over the past two days than on an average day a year ago.

This ain't the flu.

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Saw this on Italy death rate...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronso...-high-n2565445

Who knows how valid it is

Here are some good numbers for y'all

MS up to 249 cases, only 42 cases reported yesterday. Down from 60 and 67 the previous two days.

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Originally Posted by hacker

Here are some good numbers for y'all

MS up to 249 cases, only 42 cases reported yesterday. Down from 60 and 67 the previous two days.

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Wish each report like this gave tests administered also

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Saw this on Italy death rate...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronso...-high-n2565445

Who knows how valid it is

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Interesting. But considering they've had to call in the army trucks for the bodies, there's still anecdotal evidence of a huge surge in deaths.

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrDFNVNyMI

That video put it in perspective for me a while back

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Saw this on Italy death rate...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronso...-high-n2565445

Who knows how valid it is

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Dude ... if you buy into that your "critical thinking" skills are severely limited *****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Wish each report like this gave tests administered also

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They actually update that number later in the day and it's not fully accurate because they only count the tests administered by MSDH. There are tests being administered by private facilities that aren't getting counted in the total.

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Originally Posted by hacker

Interesting. But considering they've had to call in the army trucks for the bodies, there's still anecdotal evidence of a huge surge in deaths.

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrDFNVNyMI

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Deaths are certainly up, but it could be in combination with the flu. They reported 488,000 new cases of flu in mid-January.

https://ilglobo.com/news/italy-repor...-a-week-46676/

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Originally Posted by hacker

Here are some good numbers for y'all

MS up to 249 cases, only 42 cases reported yesterday. Down from 60 and 67 the previous two days.

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Interesting.

I do think the term “new cases” is misleading. These cases aren’t new they’re just instances where someone got a positive test. They could have had it for over a week.

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Originally Posted by hacker

They actually update that number later in the day and it's not fully accurate because they only count the tests administered by MSDH. There are tests being administered by private facilities that aren't getting counted in the total.

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Thanks.

Hard to take too much away from cases confirmed then till we see if tests were equal or positive %

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

Interesting.

I do think the term “new cases” is misleading. These cases aren’t new they’re just instances where someone got a positive test. They could have had it for over a week.

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Yeah, for sure. We've got about a week of lag between when the tests were administered and results coming back. "Newly reported cases" is probably a better phrase.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Dude ... if you buy into that your "critical thinking" skills are severely limited *****

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I think you have to take a measured approach. You need to pay attention to this type of article as much as you pay attention to raw numbers to truly understand a situation like this. Social culture, excess mortality, health services, lifestyle, national policy, and may other things fold into death rates during a pandemic or any major viral outbreak.

I've posted several times that Italy is one of the highest hit countries when it comes to seasonal flu. So much so that it has been studied very extensively by the medical community. They had a seasonal flu epidemic in December 2019 and early January of this year that impacted 2.5 million there and led to hundereds of thousands of hospitalizations. That is NOT to make light of the current pandemic. Just some facts to fold in to this puzzling Italy problem.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

I think you have to take a measured approach. You need to pay attention to this type of article as much as you pay attention to raw numbers to truly understand a situation like this. Social culture, excess mortality, health services, lifestyle, national policy, and may other things fold into death rates during a pandemic or any major viral outbreak.

I've posted several times that Italy is one of the highest hit countries when it comes to seasonal flu. So much so that it has been studied very extensively by the medical community. They had a seasonal flu epidemic in December 2019 and early January of this year that impacted 2.5 million there and led to hundereds of thousands of hospitalizations. That is NOT to make light of the current pandemic. Just some facts to fold in to this puzzling Italy problem.

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What about Spain? (Serious question, I honestly have no idea.)

Their numbers are rapidly approaching Italy's.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

My last post on this subject. Namely cause some of y'all are so left wing it's unbearable

I will not let fear dictate how I live my life. I will be cautious and observant but not fearful. I have lost a parent, I have a parent with underlying health issues and I have lost grandparents so I am not immune to loss of loved ones or concern for loved ones.
I also understand that we are in a far better place from healthcare, leadership, and hygiene than China, Italy and other countries. I also know that more people that are tested that more people will test positive and a large majority of them will be fine and some will not
I lift those up and those family's up in thoughts that won't be ok. But as a relatively healthy 42 year old in MS I won't allow myself be consumed by something that has a less mortality rate than auto accidents, seasonal flue, cancer, or other epidemics in this world. If we all reacted this way to other diseases we face everyday how would this world even function

Feel free to bash me I don't care. I just refuse to live in fear

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I refuse to live in fear of walking on lava barefoot when I could just walk on the bridge above it wearing shoes. High five man. We're both badasses.

There is fear and panic (buying obscene amounts of toilet paper) which is stupid. There is being brazenly courageous (ignoring everything despite blatant obvious to the contrary and doing it your way because you're a manly man.) which is stupid.

There's a gray area in between we should all be operating. Wash your hands and protect your loved ones at risk. Don't be ashamed to wear a mask / gloves in public. (Please understand how to properly use gloves if you do. Don't just believe wearing gloves all the time solves it.)

This disease has killed more Italians than Americans that died in 9/11. We responded to that pretty seriously even though your chances of dying in an act of terrorism are lower than all the things you listed.

No one is saying to be a hermit. All I'm saying is we botched this and now there is no redeeming qualities about this presidency as the proverbial house of cards that was our economy built under Trump cane crashing down. By May we're not going to have anything positive to show for his presidency. And think, he could have been 100X more proactive and possibly prevented the incoming recession.

Also I really don't get why wanting poor people to have a basic income and the rich to be taxed more is such a point of contentious debate in Mississippi. That shit doesn't hurt hardly anyone in this state. Sorry I care more about people having the ability to live under a roof and feed their kids over two men kissing. If that makes me "too left-wing" for you, look in the damn mirror and get your priorities straight.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

I think you have to take a measured approach. You need to pay attention to this type of article as much as you pay attention to raw numbers to truly understand a situation like this. Social culture, excess mortality, health services, lifestyle, national policy, and may other things fold into death rates during a pandemic or any major viral outbreak.

I've posted several times that Italy is one of the highest hit countries when it comes to seasonal flu. So much so that it has been studied very extensively by the medical community. They had a seasonal flu epidemic in December 2019 and early January of this year that impacted 2.5 million there and led to hundereds of thousands of hospitalizations. That is NOT to make light of the current pandemic. Just some facts to fold in to this puzzling Italy problem.

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I agree. And my point with my last 2 posts is there are many variables that we're unaware of at this point as to how bad this can become. There's no real data that is "absolute" out there. There is a lot of data from a lot of different sources and it's quite difficult to correlate due to the disparate methods countries are using in reporting (or not) their individual data.

And we're also at the point where pointing fingers after the fact serves no real purpose either.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Here's the snopes on trump calling it a hoax
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...-rally-remark/

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Yea that's about what I said. He didn't flatly call the virus itself a hoax, but he called the liberal response to it a hoax and drummed up his base to treat it as such.

Honestly his super germophobia has helped him stay healthy here. Wish more people would emulate that quality of him in this crisis.

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Originally Posted by hacker

What about Spain? (Serious question, I honestly have no idea.)

Their numbers are rapidly approaching Italy's.

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All my flu searches on Spain pull up the Spanish flu, so who knows. Maybe someone can find something... I wanna know too

Mods, can we please get a purge of those not following the NO POLITICS rule?

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

So anyone who who sees this situation for what it is, a national health crisis, is ?left wing?? That comment sir, validated my premise 100%. Good God.

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No. Man, I hate getting political, but you are blinded by your hatred. You and most of the vocal folks on this thread. Hell, even democratic governors are saying the President is doing a good job. He absolutely made mistakes but you obviously aren?t watching the daily press conferences if you think he is downplaying this.

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Originally Posted by turkish

Mods, can we please get purge of those not following the NO POLITICS rule?

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Yes, Please! This has turned into a point/counterpoint thread.

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Originally Posted by turkish

Mods, can we please get purge of those not following the NO POLITICS rule?

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It’s time to kill this entire thread. It’s not helping anything.

Can we make a thread with facts only, and no opinions?

Only problem is that some people don't understand the difference.

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

I refuse to live in fear of walking on lava barefoot when I could just walk on the bridge above it wearing shoes. High five man. We're both badasses.

There is fear and panic (buying obscene amounts of toilet paper) which is stupid. There is being brazenly courageous (ignoring everything despite blatant obvious to the contrary and doing it your way because you're a manly man.) which is stupid.

There's a gray area in between we should all be operating. Wash your hands and protect your loved ones at risk. Don't be ashamed to wear a mask / gloves in public. (Please understand how to properly use gloves if you do. Don't just believe wearing gloves all the time solves it.)

This disease has killed more Italians than Americans that died in 9/11. We responded to that pretty seriously even though your chances of dying in an act of terrorism are lower than all the things you listed.

No one is saying to be a hermit. All I'm saying is we botched this and now there is no redeeming qualities about this presidency as the proverbial house of cards that was our economy built under Trump cane crashing down. By May we're not going to have anything positive to show for his presidency. And think, he could have been 100X more proactive and possibly prevented the incoming recession.

Also I really don't get why wanting poor people to have a basic income and the rich to be taxed more is such a point of contentious debate in Mississippi. That shit doesn't hurt hardly anyone in this state. Sorry I care more about people having the ability to live under a roof and feed their kids over two men kissing. If that makes me "too left-wing" for you, look in the damn mirror and get your priorities straight.

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You are so caught up in the politics of this it's pathetic

The only way we as a country could've been fully prepared for this is if Obama's administration started preparing for this which would've required predicting the future. Good luck with that.

Trump-bashing is so stupid and beside the point here. And believe me, I am no Trump supporter so spare me that speech. I don't vote like Hacker and I certainly don't complain about politics because I respect that I give that right up by not voting and I'm ok with that. Politicians don't give a damn about the people that voted them in. It all becomes who can line my pockets and who do I owe or who has dirty laundry on me.

You are just taking the easy road out and saying someone... anyone else could've done better. You are just too blinded with hate to accept that this doesn't fall on one person and their decisions the made early on. Right or wrong. Before you do it, let me stop you before you assume which side of this I fall on. Because you have no clue so just stop.

Why are you bringing up poor and rich people being taxed? Because you're pathetically blinded with the politics in all of this. Plain and simple. No need to try to explain. It's glaringly obvious.

People of note who tested positive in past 24 hours:
- Rand Paul
- Harvey Weinstein
- Amy Klobuchar's husband (hospitalized)

Quarantined due to exposure to someone infected:
- Mitt Romney
- Angela Merkel

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Originally Posted by Cloak

Can we make a thread with facts only, and no opinions?

Only problem is that some people don't understand the difference.

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Exactly.

We get it, some of you don't like Trump and the way it was handled. We understand. Guess what? You can't change it regardless of if you agree with it or not. All we can do is look forward and discuss how we're going to get through this thing. And we will get through this regardless of the "we're all gonna die" mentality that I've seen here by some. Really wish the mods would enforce what they say in the thread's title.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

You are so caught up in the politics of this it's pathetic

The only way we as a country could've been fully prepared for this is if Obama's administration started preparing for this which would've required predicting the future. Good luck with that.

Trump-bashing is so stupid and beside the point here. And believe me, I am no Trump supporter so spare me that speech. I don't vote like Hacker and I certainly don't complain about politics because I respect that I give that right up by not voting and I'm ok with that. Politicians don't give a damn about the people that voted them in. It all becomes who can line my pockets and who do I owe or who has dirty laundry on me.

You are just taking the easy road out and saying someone... anyone else could've done better. You are just too blinded with hate to accept that this doesn't fall on one person and their decisions the made early on. Right or wrong. Before you do it, let me stop you before you assume which side of this I fall on. Because you have no clue so just stop.

Why are you bringing up poor and rich people being taxed? Because you're pathetically blinded with the politics in all of this. Plain and simple. No need to try to explain. It's glaringly obvious.

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ercise-in-2017

Delaware, Ohio, Louisiana, and now Michigan have issued stay at home orders since yesterday, basically shutting down the entire economy. California, NY, Pennsylvania did the same last week. I imagine ours is coming soon.

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Originally Posted by hacker

They actually update that number later in the day and it's not fully accurate because they only count the tests administered by MSDH. There are tests being administered by private facilities that aren't getting counted in the total.

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That number DOES include outside labs. It specifically states that on the website.

Here are the latest numbers from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ but I think some of this is skewed.

Global death rate: 4.3%

US death rate: 1.3%

They say that 5% of the total cases are severe/critical while the rest are mild. Like another poster said, some of the cases from certain countries are all being dumped in the mild bucket, so in reality, the percentage of severe cases is probably a bit higher.

Out of the resolved cases, 13% of the cases have resulted in death, but I think this number is off too. I think people that recover from it aren't being entered into the system accurately, making that number much lower in reality. For example, the US only has 184 totally recovered people out of 35k cases. I don't believe that for a second. So what I'm trying to say is take these numbers with a grain of salt.