You have to think beyond 2025 though. If we have Arnold for his senior year when our schedule flips it could be a really good season for us in 2026.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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You have to think beyond 2025 though. If we have Arnold for his senior year when our schedule flips it could be a really good season for us in 2026.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We need a perception win. This is as much about that as actually wanting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
How do we know what the current offer is besides just hearing it from Arnold? Seems like it would be easy to get a team to bid against themselves in this new environment when you know a program is desperateQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yep. It is time for Lebby to lay his nuts on the table and get it done. If you have to overpay then by god do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Probably so, but I think a big upgrade on the LOs probably makes us a better team anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
I am going to be honest and I have been thinking about this since the transfer portal became a thing, the tranfer portal is fun and it?s better than the season itself. It?s nerve wrecking but fun.
Amen, gotta get a win somehow someway.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Oh it’s incredibly exciting but we need a damn big win. I like Jahron Manning and Red Hibbler and they will help us next year, but we need a perception win.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
If you can get him for 750 instead of 2 million for Arnold, frees up 1.25 million for lineman.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Honestly, to 7's point, roll with Shapen and save 1.5 million to spend on other spots or bankroll for 2026
It's only fun when you win some. mBK portal season was fun bc we got some guys. If we don't land any good players, it'll be about as fun as our football seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
Why are we in a bidding war for a guy that's was supposedly wrapped up and just taking a visit for the 25k?
This stinks.
Somebody do a Twitter spaceQuote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
Steve Robertson has staked his reputation on Jackson Arnold not being here. But do not worry, if/when we get him he will come out with some story about how he was told to keep it under wraps.
It sounds like ?just going for the $25K? was BS all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
It's the new NSD, which is now a complete waste of time because very few of them are ready to play and won't be with their school in 1-2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
The Lockhart situation was cool, but do you really want to be the first team to have prospects that aren't day 1 starters anymore?
Why is anyone surprised by this?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I trust StarkVegasSteve on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I wouldn't overpay for Arnold personally.
Save that money and spend it on lineman and a wr. Arnold ain't that much better than Shapen.
My heart says the opportunity costs will far outweigh the cost of overpaying. Yes, we've lost some extra money for other desperate positions. But if we lose JA we've lost everything(feels that way anyway)Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Time for Mississippi State football to lay their nuts on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We need a QB. It's the most important position on the field. Get that and the o-linemen will follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
We have one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We could get a better one I know. But we have a serviceable one.
Guys Blake Shapen will be injured by Game 3. Not because of a bad line or anything like that. He is just injury prone. And it will happen again next year. So yes, we need to overpay Arnold or go get Preston Stone. We also need to get WRs since we currently have like 5 on the roster. Isaiah Sategna is visiting this weekend and he will be a good start. He can be your Craver replacement.
Serviceable is the quickest way to 3-9 next year. You have to be elite at the QB position to succeed in this conference. Auburn was elite at 21 of 22 positions last year and went 5-7 because they were ass at the only one that mattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
We have been going the cheap route for decades and Auburn has been giving us the business for the past year and a half. I think it is time to return the favor and tell them to sit the F*** down.
This. Football is a QB driven game. You have to have a great one at that position to have a chance. Mississippi State fans need to get rid of the mindset that we are OK if we go cheap at QB, build up around him, and just run the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Auburn was elite at every position except for QB? Stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Our ceiling next year is 6 wins even with Arnold.
Arnold has done nothing to be considered an elite QB. He's not even a top 50 player in the portal right now.
Giving him 2 million is crazy.
I would be happy to have him, no doubt. But any hope of him being elite is just that, hope.
This is why you go ahead and set up a visit from Luke Kromenhoek as well. Both players are highly rated QB prospects, and both were recruited by Jeff Lebby at Oklahoma. Arnold has the advantage of being groomed in Jeff's offense.
If you go with Shapen and then are forced to play Kamario Taylor as a true freshman, you are toast. Taylor has the ability to be great down the road, but he's far from being ready now. He's got a lot of learning to do when it comes to the passing game.
Don't conflate cheap/expensive with elite play.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
We need elite qb play to be a 9 win team. No doubt.
But who are we looking at that is an elite qb worth 2 million?
If we don?t land Arnold we really need to go out and get Stone.
When evaluating QBs, you have to take into account the offensive system. Jackson Arnold is a great fit for the Jeff Lebby version of the Briles offense. Quin Ewers is a great fit for what Steve Sarkisian runs. If you traded places with those QBs, they wouldn't be as good of fits in the schemes.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I agree you being someone in to compete with Shapen. The 5 star FSU kid would be a good get. As would Arnold.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Taylor is going to be special but you cannot put him out there before he is ready. It will be Van Buren 2.0. Paralysis by analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
And Jackson Arnold would be god awful in Freeze’s scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Fully agree scheme and fit matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
No way he canceled on us
Freeze has a scheme? The guy has never developed a QB in his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I trust that Jackson Arnold and his parents are smart enough to know that Jeff Lebby is his ticket to the NFL, and that Hugh Freeze is his ticket to being the next bust QB in the portal.
Auburn wasn't elite at 21/22 positions. Come on maneQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Maybe I overinflated that, but they were SEC caliber at 21 of 22 positions. They were FCS level at QBQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7