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I don’t understand the whining. If we brought in a guy from Memphis, Texas Tech or Virginia that had 1 year to play vs a highly rated JUCO with 2 or 3 years of eligibility, what is the damn difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
You don’t know what either brings til they hit the field. All this pissing and moaning over stupid sh1t constantly by our “fans” has got to stop at some point or yall just need to find a damn bandwagon team to join
That's the thing, there is no difference. They are both bad. I love idiots that complain about fans complaining on a MESSAGE BOARD.
Then if there is no difference why all the damn hand wringing? We KNOW that poor ol MSU is not getting 5 stars. So if there is no difference between CB from Kennesaw vs JUCO from CoLin then there is no reason for all the bitching and moaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
We need bodies. Yet we have fans melting because they are JUCO bodies as opposed to G5 or P4 backup bodies.
Half our class won't be Juco lol and Miles has P4 offers, so does Coleman, Okaka, & the OT from NWCC. The rest are reaches or just ok for even depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
Because there is a difference. We don't need "bodies". We have "bodies" now. We need people that can play.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
It's about talent pool and level of competition. If you play at Kennesaw State you get to play against teams that are pretty decent like Western Kentucky, Jacksonville State, and Liberty. That's JUST Kennesaw State. If you get a guy from Umass- they played three SEC teams this year I think including MSU and Georgia. We get to see what their guys can do against SEC competition. It doesn't get anymore apples to apples than that. It makes evaluating those players easier and it makes it a lot less riskier to recruit them.
If you want to get overlooked players G5 is the best place to look. Booth was from Utah State. Ethan Miner was from North Texas. And if we get a guy from a SEC school that didn't start they probably have at least some experience playing in a SEC game even if it is on special teams or something. You can't replicate that at Co-Lin. Not to mention schools like North Texas or even USM have better athletic training than any JUCO in Mississippi I assure you. That makes a huge difference. It's less of a jump from UTEP to a SEC school than it is from Holmes CC to a SEC school. Branden Jennings is the only JUCO we have that had any impact on this year in a positive way and I think he was a D1 bounce back if I remember correctly.
And the other thing is if you're just getting a guy as a "body" then I would much rather them be here for one year than two because they're going to clog up roster spots of guys that can help you because then we have to process them out.
Probably 2 offensive linemen, 3 DL, 1 LB, 1 CB, and 2 S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkerhill
So IF we get them all that would be 9 players. That's way too many.
But MSU hasn't listened to anyone else yet so we get to watch the train wreck continue.
There are quality players at P4, G5, juco, and high school. To me it doesn?t matter where they came from, it matters if the staff evaluated them accurately, can get them at the boat at State, and knows how to plug them in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Seems like Lebby can do that at QB and WR, but there are serious questions at OL, DL, RB. We need to be cycling whatever coaches and hiring whatever consultants to get that fixed.
But on juco specifically, 9 does seem like too many. Possibly shows how much depth there is to build and also how much attrition the coaches may expect on the roster.
Funny you left out the DT from EMCC..just the other day you were saying he had P4 offers but now not? And yes a good make up of this class is JUCO. We just offered a juco Safety and a Juco CB w/ no other P4 offers. There is a difference between quality depth and just depth. Just depth gives you the DL we have had this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We have two that are high end that are committed. And that's fine. But the other seven I'm not so sure about. That's a lot of risks for a team that needs to maximize every spot possible. The last thing this program needs is an Arizona Western 2.0 situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkerhill
Beating FIU for a recruit. Things are looking up
Not a scholarship guy. He'll have to earn it this spring.
I said he's getting P4 looks. They thought SC was close to offering before he committed. Had three P4 teams talking to him other than us. I'm not as high on him but he's better than the EMCC guys from last year, so he's an upgrade from a current roster spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
The way I see it, we're setting the baseline with Juco guys with multiple years left to serve as depth with the hope a couple can develop and help you. And then we'll bring in 20-30 transfers from the portal that will be the bulk of the 2 deep.
With the new rule of having 20 "extra" guys that are on a partial scholarship, you can afford to bring in questionable guys and let the spring serve as tryouts for them. If they don't cut it, cut them and replace them with someone else in the spring portal. As long as we're improving each position, that's all you can really ask for. It's too early to know if we're doing that yet.
Some of the jucos will pan out. By that, I mean 2, maybe 3. I wouldn't be shocked if our portal basket isn't much different than last year's. The growing cost of this business defies all logic.
You're about to be shockedQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Looks like Lebby told another commit to look elsewhere with Christopher Johnson
I'm taking this comment as super positive!!!(amirite???)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
There you have it, Oatis is a DAWG!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
It's positiveQuote:
Originally Posted by DLGDawg
Oatis is a cripple with his hand out. I'd be a little surprised if we got into that but we shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81