Cam is a stud. He is a great player. We aren't exactly churning out CBs to the nfl. I think Redmond was our last drafted CB.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
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Cam is a stud. He is a great player. We aren't exactly churning out CBs to the nfl. I think Redmond was our last drafted CB.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Well we do have 2 NFL CB's starting SaturdayQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I suppose peters and cam. Peters is a 4-starQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I know everyone likes to jump on what I say and that's cool... I can handle it. All I'm saying though is CB is one position where you really need the 4-star athletes. Look at the WRs that bama, LSU, aTm, auburn, ark (this season), and om sign. We've got to have elite guys outside to combat that. This year we have matched up really well outside for the most part, but we will be losing 2 elite dlinemen this season so that cover time will be longer next season
What's the difference in a 4 star corner and 3 star? Explain, other than scout 24/7 said it? The stats are generally the same, height, weight, etc. What makes the other different? That's what your trying to minimize or marginalize between the twoQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And 3 star Cam is outperforming him.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It's scheming and coaching. We have the same guys from last year with a 5th DC in 4 years performing at a high level. Why, it's coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I won't argue. Stars don't matter
Not unless they're can't miss 5 stars. 85% of the players in college and the NFL are 3 star range playersQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Stars matter but so do OffersQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Greg Brooks 6 SEC 11 P5 Offers
DJ James 6 SEC 8 P5 Offers
Martin Emerson 2 SEC 9 P5 Offers
We have some guys that are highly thought of. Brooks is .0008 points away from being a 4*. Expect DJ to move up too after his Sr film & MS/AL week.
That's good info. Makes me feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Let's compare them to just the 3 ark wr commits...
Burks - ark, Clemson, FSU, LSU, Michigan, om, tenn
Knox - ark, tenn, auburn, Clemson, Florida, Kentucky, LSU, ND, Ohio st, om, penn state, South Carolina, VT
Nash - ark, mizzou, auburn, florida, Kentucky, om, South Carolina, tenn.
The west is loading up on wr talent
Right and we have shown this year that with a couple years under TBuck and 1 under Shoop that our mid-low 3* DBs can shut down the WRs of Auburn, LSU, and now Bama. 2/5 starters have been out between Peters and Cole, and we didn't have Landrews or Cole for Bama. Smitherman, CJ Morgan, even Rayford were out there hanging with arguably the best WR unit in the country this past Saturday. Yes our elite DL helped them out but there's no denying they played WAY above their collective offer list/rating.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm not saying having 5* DBs wouldn't be best or that recruiting ranking on average doesn't matter, I'm just saying DB is one of those positions where it's easy to find a 5'10"-6'2" skinny kid that can run fast. From there, coach them up 2 years and you're no different than a team made up of 4* DBs that were only higher rated because their footwork and ball skills were better on the HS tape.
DL, LBs, and skill position players on O have rarer and more niche body types than DBs do and so it seems like the guys with ideal body types get highly rated on potential alone, even if the HS tape shows they have no idea what they're doing. OL get highly rated if their body has already developed, and a 6'5" HS OL will stand out and get proper rating attention on even if he sucks. But for DBs, there's just so many 6ish foot tall skinny athletes out there that to be highly rated you've got to have elite HS tape or elite athleticism; there's a lot of raw SEC athletes that fall though the cracks just because they don't pop on film. We built one of the best secondaries in the conference with just 1 4* on the 2 deep. That's how it looks to me anyway, but I'm no expert
Shutdown? We have average to good CB's. Not shutdown CB's. Tua is hurt and just isn't the same as earlier in the season. Stidham just sucks this year. And the LSU QB is average. If you take away some of our DL rush, our CB's would look a lot more average.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Holding on to James and Brooks will be huge.
Yes the Shoop factor is real and the DB play is proving that
Pickering may not be the next Simmons but I bet he is a bigger impact here than Chris Jones did and that’s pretty
****ing good
And yes I will take P5 offers over stars all day. And there isn’t much difference between a high 3star and a mid range to high 4. Once you get into the top 50-75 in the country is where stars come into play more
When it comes to KB I don’t think Ark would even be a consideration for him if not for his past interaction with Coach Morris. Wouldn’t shock me to see him end up at Aub. We all know what goes on there in the final hours.
I am still hoping when Jack Harris gets here redshirts and has some years to gain weight , learn technique under Coach Baker and makes the move to DE.
I just don’t think he is a LB at this level.
Auburn surviving by taking a transfer QB every year has to be one of the most annoying reoccurring themes in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
If I were auburn, I'd be after hurts. Hurts would fit Gus like a glove.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Adding the #1 TE to that too. Wouldn't be surprised if they're all starting next year with how awful the Arkansas WR corp is.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I don’t think Jalan would want the Bama / Aub bullshit around him all year. My bet is he gets out of the state and he gets out of conference all together .Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Good for all the west. Auburn with a Stidham isn't nearly as scary as auburn with a BA running qb that can hit some passesQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Kelly Bryant would help our offense.
Hurts is not going to Auburn.
The DB's we have committed maybe the best overall group ever to sign at MSU...IF WE CAN SIGN ALL OF THEM!
Need to sign Payton ar WR.