Barry Odom Rumor

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Originally Posted by STATEBALLIN

I agree. I told some at ON3 we would be a lateral move for him and some about blew a fuse. But if anything, our job is harder as far as reaching the playoffs is concerned.

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This all day

The Big 12 is about to be a 1-bid league in football, maybe 2 in a good year. The SEC will have 4 or 5 teams in the playoffs every year.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Yes they would.

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Us being a top 25 job is pretty deceiving imo. While the first part might be true, where do we rank in our conference?

Another bargain bin, cast off bum. Spend the money and quit being cheap. If not just drop football altogether. Either you want to win or you dont

Damn. Just stop with this lateral move crap. Act like we deserve as well as anyone; spend the money and get our guy. Sheesh.

I know this isn?t the best barometer but KU?s endowment is 4 times ours. It?s not unreasonable to say it?s, at best, a lateral move.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Us being a top 25 job is pretty deceiving imo. While the first part might be true, where do we rank in our conference?

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Being a top 32 job in America as Head coach of the Panthers is pretty deceiving imo. While the first part might be true, where do they rank in their conference?

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Originally Posted by bobtail bob

Another bargain bin, cast off bum. Spend the money and quit being cheap. If not just drop football altogether. Either you want to win or you dont

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Ok, this keeps coming up but if we don't get the interest from someone who requires that kind of money then you don't spend that kind of money. We have already let agents know we will spend heavily if warranted for the right guy. Up to $8 MIL if necessary, but those coaches so far are down on the interest level from their side.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

How is it not? Texas and OU have left the Big 12. He can win 10 games with some luck in that league.

We however cannot. Have you looked at our schedule next year? It's going to be like that every year from now on. Texas, OU plus the Big 6 of the SEC puts us fighting hard to stay in the Top 12 of the SEC

NIL and Realignment has changed everything

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Because they are a basketball school in the middle of nowhere in a state that doesn't produce talent, and in a league that is about to become a joke.

We are a school in the best conference in the country, fertile recruiting grounds with a large tv deal, big athletic budget, passionate football fan base, growing NIL, and have actually been relevant in the CFP rankings.

Don't talk to me about next years schedule. We've been in the SEC West the past 20 years. I know all about schedule strength. Most people with any sort of football IQ know an 8-4 MSU team is probably better than any other conference's 10-2 team. And getting rid of divisions is a good thing for MSU.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Because they are a basketball school in the middle of nowhere in a state that doesn't produce talent, and in a league that is about to become a joke.

We are a school in the best conference in the country, fertile recruiting grounds with a large tv deal, big athletic budget, passionate football fan base, growing NIL, and have actually been relevant in the CFP rankings.

Don't talk to me about next years schedule. We've been in the SEC West the past 20 years. I know all about schedule strength. Most people with any sort of football IQ know an 8-4 MSU team is probably better than any other conference's 10-2 team. And getting rid of divisions is a good thing for MSU.

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Well- they currently have more talent than us and they have money. A 10-2 Big 12 team will be ranked higher than an 8-4 SEC team. Thats just facts. The Big 12 is just going to become the new Pac-12 basically. Adding 2 more powers to this conference is in no way, shape, or form good for State. Not to mention 9 conference games is coming soon as well. TV will demand it

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Selmon is keeping everything very tight lipped but doing an exhaustive search. Haven't heard a specific interview yet but we have reached out to several. Fritz, Sumrall, Lebby, Malzhan, Chadwell...several more we have reached out to. Judge, Odom and Petrino are very interested and pushing to get in the door.

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Heard anything about Rhett Lashlee getting an interview? I've heard his name mentioned a lot.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well- they currently have more talent than us and they have money. A 10-2 Big 12 team will be ranked higher than an 8-4 SEC team. Thats just facts. The Big 12 is just going to become the new Pac-12 basically. Adding 2 more powers to this conference is in no way, shape, or form good for State. Not to mention 9 conference games is coming soon as well. TV will demand it

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If you really believe that Kansas to MSU is a lateral move then what's the point.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Heard anything about Rhett Lashlee getting an interview? I've heard his name mentioned a lot.

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Lashlee is #2 in my book. Really exciting offense

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Heard anything about Rhett Lashlee getting an interview? I've heard his name mentioned a lot.

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We have reached out to his representatives, we are interested in him for sure. Selmon ain't playing trying to get the best possible A list candidates. But I haven't heard of any specific interviews yet.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I heard a rumor that Odom is really lobbying hard for our job. He's even saying he can get Kendal Briles to be OC.

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He can be the DL coach. That's his true skill. Not HC and not really a DC either.

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

He can be the DL coach. That's his true skill. Not HC and not really a DC either.

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Uhhh, he's never coached the DL. He's only coaches LB's and safety's as a position coach.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Us being a top 25 job is pretty deceiving imo. While the first part might be true, where do we rank in our conference?

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^^^^^^ this. It doesn't matter where you rank in the country whether it's 25 or 30 when you're at best 11-15 in the league.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Ok, this keeps coming up but if we don't get the interest from someone who requires that kind of money then you don't spend that kind of money. We have already let agents know we will spend heavily if warranted for the right guy. Up to $8 MIL if necessary, but those coaches so far are down on the interest level from their side.

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Considering this has been said at least 2/3 times a day, it's clearly hard to grasp.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

We have reached out to his representatives, we are interested in him for sure. Selmon ain't playing trying to get the best possible A list candidates. But I haven't heard of any specific interviews yet.

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Appreciate man!

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Appreciate man!

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No problem buddy!

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Considering this has been said at least 2/3 times a day, it's clearly hard to grasp.

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Clearly. I know many think you just offer millions and you have your pick of whatever coach you want...it just doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

There are only about 20-25 jobs better than ours. But I get your point.

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There are that many in the new sec and new big 10 alone. Maybe more.

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Originally Posted by 3dawgnight15

I know this isn?t the best barometer but KU?s endowment is 4 times ours. It?s not unreasonable to say it?s, at best, a lateral move.

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Endowment has what to do with athletics? Nothing really. Vandy and Stanford could dominate if that was the case.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Uhhh, he's never coached the DL. He's only coaches LB's and safety's as a position coach.

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He's the guru of Edge Rushers- like OLBs in the 3-4 scheme that Mizzou employed in Gary Pinkel's time. Yes, they are OLBs, but in the DE mold

So he can be the LB coach then, happy?

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

If you really believe that Kansas to MSU is a lateral move then what's the point.

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Well, anybody that thinks our job is Top 25 is delusional. The GusBus turning down UPig should be a hint. UCF is now in a major conference in a great location. No brutal SEC to fight. Realignment has changed alot of things in a major way moving forward as has NIL.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I gotta say it. I don't like Odom b/c Dan beat him when we played Mizzou. If I remember Dan rolled him pretty good.

Odom would not be in my top #10. I believe we can do better than him.

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The U of MO was in a state of cluster 17 when he was there. A lot of crap going on.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Considering this has been said at least 2/3 times a day, it's clearly hard to grasp.

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Let me put it another way for you.
You pick out your guy and throw enough money at him. Tie it to incentives and guarantee him enough that it’s worthwhile. I’m not holding the money bags so IDK. What Ido know is don’t send me anymore bullshit pumping up about giving my money to prop this second rate run crap up. I knew Moorhead was a garbage hire and I wasn’t fully on board with Leach either. Neither were a fit for our In state kids. Big rugged dominating at the line of scrimmage has always been where we have found our minuscule success with and what I see us want to get back with. Young energetic with fresh ideas and head coaching experience is what I want to see. Otherwise I’m about to dump this joke of a a so called football program. It’s been a failure since Cohen took over. Bottom line it’s up to our Alpaca faced president and his latest placement to make me think they are serious.So far . I ain’t feeling it.

Like always on message boards, the truth lies in the middle. We aren't as bad of a job as 34 says, but we aren't desirable enough to throw $8 mil out there and have every coach in America making $7.5 or less knocking on our door.

And there is a big difference between a job being "easier" to win a Championship at, and a job being more "desirable. We are a more desirable job than Kansas to most coaches. High profile SEC job in the best conference in the land. Most coaches are confident and competitive, so it doesn't scare them to have to compete in the SEC...especially making $2-$3 mil more per year.
Not to mention, Mullen proved you can win 6-9 games per year and stay as long as you want, and make life changing money without achieving life changing results.
But not a lateral move. Kansas doesn't fire coaches 10 games in bc they aren't trending up. It's easier to win at Kansas bc the conference is weaker...that's it. But guys like Leipold don't seem to be the type that wants comfort and isn't confident in his ability to win in whatever conference he's in. If he's scared, stay at Kansas, we don't need a wuss.

We should absolutely call every big boy out there and gauge interest and let them know we're offering big money to take on the big job of knocking off the big boys in the big division of the big conference. And let them know it's going to take someone with big balls, but they'll be rewarded with a big salary and big fan support. And see who answers the bell. We may not all be fired up over the next hire...but winning cures all, and puts asses in seats. That being said, we don't need to botch this hire, so go big or go home Selmon.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Like always on message boards, the truth lies in the middle. We aren't as bad of a job as 34 says, but we aren't desirable enough to throw $8 mil out there and have every coach in America making $7.5 or less knocking on our door.

And there is a big difference between a job being "easier" to win a Championship at, and a job being more "desirable. We are a more desirable job than Kansas to most coaches. High profile SEC job in the best conference in the land. Most coaches are confident and competitive, so it doesn't scare them to have to compete in the SEC...especially making $2-$3 mil more per year.
Not to mention, Mullen proved you can win 6-9 games per year and stay as long as you want, and make life changing money without achieving life changing results.
But not a lateral move. Kansas doesn't fire coaches 10 games in bc they aren't trending up. It's easier to win at Kansas bc the conference is weaker...that's it. But guys like Leipold don't seem to be the type that wants comfort and isn't confident in his ability to win in whatever conference he's in. If he's scared, stay at Kansas, we don't need a wuss.

We should absolutely call every big boy out there and gauge interest and let them know we're offering big money to take on the big job of knocking off the big boys in the big division of the big conference. And let them know it's going to take someone with big balls, but they'll be rewarded with a big salary and big fan support. And see who answers the bell. We may not all be fired up over the next hire...but winning cures all, and puts asses in seats. That being said, we don't need to botch this hire, so go big or go home Selmon.

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You nailed this post.

We need you calling candidates ASAP.

Has Chadwell been made an offer for 6.5?

Per Bo Bounds, Barry Odom and Gus Malzahn are unicorns. We'd be very lucky to have either one.

If it's true Gus turned down Arkansas then he sure as hell ain't coming here.

Barry Odom with a good defensive staff and a hell of an OC, yeah, I might could get behind that.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Per Bo Bounds, Barry Odom and Gus Malzahn are unicorns. We'd be very lucky to have either one.

If it's true Gus turned down Arkansas then he sure as hell ain't coming here.

Barry Odom with a good defensive staff and a hell of an OC, yeah, I might could get behind that.

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I saw a post on Hogville that said she wasn't leaving Florida.

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Originally Posted by Catfish

I saw a post on Hogville that said she wasn't leaving Florida.

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Yep, she ain't coming to Starkville. Gus ain't leaving Florida. This is his final stop.

If we wind up with Odom it's b/c 6 or 7 other coaches told us no, including Tom Herman.

I feel confident we're working on a coach behind the scenes and a lot of this stuff is agent talk and smoke screen. Throw in the stupidity of former players and Joe Judge and that summarizes this search.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

^^^^^^ this. It doesn't matter where you rank in the country whether it's 25 or 30 when you're at best 11-15 in the league.

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Yep, and we aren?t close to a top 25 job because we have never spent like one. We have gone cheap on coaches at every opportunity, even with Leach.

The only time we have paid was to retain Dan after his 4th or 5th flirtation.

We go cheap on HC, staff and recruiting. Until the pocket book is opened, the top 25 talk is laughable. There is a reason we are picked 6th in the West every season.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Like always on message boards, the truth lies in the middle. We aren't as bad of a job as 34 says, but we aren't desirable enough to throw $8 mil out there and have every coach in America making $7.5 or less knocking on our door.

And there is a big difference between a job being "easier" to win a Championship at, and a job being more "desirable. We are a more desirable job than Kansas to most coaches. High profile SEC job in the best conference in the land. Most coaches are confident and competitive, so it doesn't scare them to have to compete in the SEC...especially making $2-$3 mil more per year.
Not to mention, Mullen proved you can win 6-9 games per year and stay as long as you want, and make life changing money without achieving life changing results.
But not a lateral move. Kansas doesn't fire coaches 10 games in bc they aren't trending up. It's easier to win at Kansas bc the conference is weaker...that's it. But guys like Leipold don't seem to be the type that wants comfort and isn't confident in his ability to win in whatever conference he's in. If he's scared, stay at Kansas, we don't need a wuss.

We should absolutely call every big boy out there and gauge interest and let them know we're offering big money to take on the big job of knocking off the big boys in the big division of the big conference. And let them know it's going to take someone with big balls, but they'll be rewarded with a big salary and big fan support. And see who answers the bell. We may not all be fired up over the next hire...but winning cures all, and puts asses in seats. That being said, we don't need to botch this hire, so go big or go home Selmon.

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Perfectly said! I like that we fired a coach ten games in it at least for the moment told me we are a king seriously.

Edit: kind of NOT king

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Like always on message boards, the truth lies in the middle. We aren't as bad of a job as 34 says, but we aren't desirable enough to throw $8 mil out there and have every coach in America making $7.5 or less knocking on our door.

And there is a big difference between a job being "easier" to win a Championship at, and a job being more "desirable. We are a more desirable job than Kansas to most coaches. High profile SEC job in the best conference in the land. Most coaches are confident and competitive, so it doesn't scare them to have to compete in the SEC...especially making $2-$3 mil more per year.
Not to mention, Mullen proved you can win 6-9 games per year and stay as long as you want, and make life changing money without achieving life changing results.
But not a lateral move. Kansas doesn't fire coaches 10 games in bc they aren't trending up. It's easier to win at Kansas bc the conference is weaker...that's it. But guys like Leipold don't seem to be the type that wants comfort and isn't confident in his ability to win in whatever conference he's in. If he's scared, stay at Kansas, we don't need a wuss.

We should absolutely call every big boy out there and gauge interest and let them know we're offering big money to take on the big job of knocking off the big boys in the big division of the big conference. And let them know it's going to take someone with big balls, but they'll be rewarded with a big salary and big fan support. And see who answers the bell. We may not all be fired up over the next hire...but winning cures all, and puts asses in seats. That being said, we don't need to botch this hire, so go big or go home Selmon.

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Well said. Too many people have been beaten into submission with their Larry Templeton mentality.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I feel confident we're working on a coach behind the scenes and a lot of this stuff is agent talk and smoke screen. Throw in the stupidity of former players and Joe Judge and that summarizes this search.

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That's how I feel. If Selmon is as savvy as some say all of this is behind the scenes away from prying eyes and itchy keyboard fingers.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I feel confident we're working on a coach behind the scenes and a lot of this stuff is agent talk and smoke screen. Throw in the stupidity of former players and Joe Judge and that summarizes this search.

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This is how I feel, everything this week feels Smokey with no real fire behind it.

Seems like Chadwell, then an unknown on the current list discussed, and then a drop off to tier B.
Lashley working a pay raise.
I would still be interested in Kinne for his upside and ability to evaluate and quickly improve a roster. Glad I am not making the career decisions, but from a fan standpoint, I like the offense of Kinne, and think that would help us self recruit skill players to MSU.