Alright Guys - Call to Action - Please read from the Owners

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Not fighting just find it interesting the lack of votes. I guess a majority of people don?t see things the same way as others.


If there was a (0) option in poll I think you would get a very accurate gauge of interest.

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I agree with you SilentSteel16!

If the majority of fans were for NIL, then why are there only 12 people that have signed up to give to NIL on this board when over 2300 have read this thread? The evidence is showing overwhelmingly that the vast majority of fans are opposed to NIL!

The reasons may vary. For SilentSteel16, one of his reasons and he may have many, is he does not like being told where to put him money. I appreciate that and respect that as that is one reason I don't give to NIL. My other reason is I detest amateur collegiate sports changing to pro status!

This is not a superior attitude as some posture, we are not implying anything other than our opinion on why college sports is losing its luster and fan base! If you read it any other way, then it is your own inferior complex causing you to infer that!

But you pro-NIL guys also speak out of both sides of your mouth, on one hand you say contributing to NIL is the only way to be competitive - we have to buy our players; but on the other hand there is s thread on this board stating that money does not always buy you a championship team! So which is it?

If you pro-NIL guys can't even agree on how to have a championship team then why are you so pro-NIL?

Instead of supporting a system you are not 100% behind, why not focus your efforts in trying to change the current landscape of college sports and make college sports once again, amateur and spin-off the pro-minded athletes to a pro league?

Before you pro-NIL guys respond with some non-useful response, let me ask you one question, Is college sport better off today, under NIL, than it was say 5 or 10 or 20 years ago? If not, then why support this insane effort? This house of cards will eventually collapse!

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

I agree with you SilentSteel16!

If the majority of fans were for NIL, then why are there only 12 people that have signed up to give to NIL on this board when over 2300 have read this thread? The evidence is showing overwhelmingly that the vast majority of fans are opposed to NIL!

The reasons may vary. For SilentSteel16, one of his reasons and he may have many, is he does not like being told where to put him money. I appreciate that and respect that as that is one reason I don't give to NIL. My other reason is I detest amateur collegiate sports changing to pro status!

This is not a superior attitude as some posture, we are not implying anything other than our opinion on why college sports is losing its luster and fan base! If you read it any other way, then it is your own inferior complex causing you to infer that!

But you pro-NIL guys also speak out of both sides of your mouth, on one hand you say contributing to NIL is the only way to be competitive - we have to buy our players; but on the other hand there is s thread on this board stating that money does not always buy you a championship team! So which is it?

If you pro-NIL guys can't even agree on how to have a championship team then why are you so pro-NIL?

Instead of supporting a system you are not 100% behind, why not focus your efforts in trying to change the current landscape of college sports and make college sports once again, amateur and spin-off the pro-minded athletes to a pro league?

Before you pro-NIL guys respond with some non-useful response, let me ask you one question, Is college sport better off today, under NIL, than it was say 5 or 10 or 20 years ago? If not, then why support this insane effort? This house of cards will eventually collapse!

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jfc

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Ok boomer

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I would be willing to bet the boomers are the ones paying most of the bills.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Then as I have told you before do not complain when we go 4-8. You have no right any longer. Buying tickets and your bulldog club donation do JACK S*** to help us any longer. Move it all to NIL if you really care about the name on the front of that jersey.

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So he donated to Bulldog club for years, bought season tickets to multiple sports for years, paid tuition for himself, (maybe kids too, IDK) showed up for years to cheer, and he can't complain anymore??? GTFO with that bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

I would be willing to bet the boomers are the ones paying most of the bills.

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Boomers and GenX'rs are paying about 90% of the bills.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

If you truly want to test the waters you would have added a (0) zero dollars option to your poll. You might be surprised by the results.

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Ok. We get it.

Back to top.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

If fans aren't willing to donate to NIL to be on this board, I don't care to see them on the board or to see their opinion

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Then the board will cease being what it is. A place for all bulldogs.

Boomers less and less each day, and the loss of control is killing them.

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

I would be willing to bet the boomers are the ones paying most of the bills.

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Other than the biggest donors, the everyday fan is by far the generation younger than the boomers.

I won't give to the NIL until I get an itemized expense report.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

If fans aren't willing to donate to NIL to be on this board, I don't care to see them on the board or to see their opinion

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There are some people that don't have the money to pay. That's just how it is right now in this economy.

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

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You can remove my $50 / month on here. Feel free to call me when the Selmon, Lebby, and co. stench is gone from this program.

plz just shut the F up. some of us gave you a chance but you proved you are the ass of all asses. go find your safe space and curl in the fetal position.

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Originally Posted by Tater

You can remove my $50 / month on here. Feel free to call me when the Selmon, Lebby, and co. stench is gone from this program.

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Goodbye Forrest. Do another Twitter thread about it

(1) NIL is just another NCAA scam. "You can't have any of our money from the actual games, but we guess you can go make money on your own. Good luck." It's a half measure that allows the NCAA to meet its mandate from the courts that they can't deny players the right to make their own money, but they still won't share any of the profits of the actual game with the players. It's indentured servitude at absolute best and is disgusting that the coaches and administrators are raking in millions while telling the stars of the show to go sell t-shirts.

(2) NIL is a losing cause for State. Our fan base is not as deep or passionate and doesn't have the egos needed to "win at all cost." It doesn't fit who we are as a university or a fan base. We've never been willing to pony up big money for recruits and that's not going to change just because it's now all of a sudden allowed.

(3) If we don't do something about #2, we're toast. Bottom feeder of the SEC, doesn't matter who we hire, no chance to compete in our conference... We could resurrect Knute Rockne and it wouldn't matter. If we don't have the Jack's and Joe's to compete in the SEC, it doesn't matter how well they're coached.

To me, with it being so obvious that investing in the NIL is the ONLY way we're going to compete with the blue bloods and the rest of the SEC, it's hard to understand why our fan base is so resistant to the idea. It's literally the ONLY way we can win big. We could've hired Nick Saban and it wouldn't change my apathetic attitude towards Miss State football. What would get me excited? Some fat ass checks going to the NIL fund(s). I don't care if it's through something organized here or straight to the BI or somewhere else. If we don't raise the money for NIL, the football program will not have the players it needs to compete. Period. End of story. End of program.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

(1) NIL is just another NCAA scam. "You can't have any of our money from the actual games, but we guess you can go make money on your own. Good luck." It's a half measure that allows the NCAA to meet its mandate from the courts that they can't deny players the right to make their own money, but they still won't share any of the profits of the actual game with the players. It's indentured servitude at absolute best and is disgusting that the coaches and administrators are raking in millions while telling the stars of the show to go sell t-shirts.

(2) NIL is a losing cause for State. Our fan base is not as deep or passionate and doesn't have the egos needed to "win at all cost." It doesn't fit who we are as a university or a fan base. We've never been willing to pony up big money for recruits and that's not going to change just because it's now all of a sudden allowed.

(3) If we don't do something about #2, we're toast. Bottom feeder of the SEC, doesn't matter who we hire, no chance to compete in our conference... We could resurrect Knute Rockne and it wouldn't matter. If we don't have the Jack's and Joe's to compete in the SEC, it doesn't matter how well they're coached.

To me, with it being so obvious that investing in the NIL is the ONLY way we're going to compete with the blue bloods and the rest of the SEC, it's hard to understand why our fan base is so resistant to the idea. It's literally the ONLY way we can win big. We could've hired Nick Saban and it wouldn't change my apathetic attitude towards Miss State football. What would get me excited? Some fat ass checks going to the NIL fund(s). I don't care if it's through something organized here or straight to the BI or somewhere else. If we don't raise the money for NIL, the football program will not have the players it needs to compete. Period. End of story. End of program.

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Your reasoning in point #1 is ass backwards.

The athletes are STUDENTS, you had to qualify to be a student first, and sports is a past time or extracurricular activity that you have to qualify for in order to participate - a C average or that was the intent years ago.

Student athletes are NOT employees of the university like the coaches are. They are given a scholarship, if they are good enough, to help cover the cost of their education. Even the IRS recognizes the difference between a scholarship and being an employee - employees have to pay taxes on the money they receive from their employees as that is earned income where student athlete with a scholarship do not as long as the money is used to pay for reasonable education related expenses. This is how kids, in days past, who may not normally be able to afford college were able to attend and better their life thru a college education.

The idea of student athletes - amateurs, receiving money for pay or name image and likeness (NIL), has only been an issue in recent years. The question is WHY - WHY NOW? The answer is PURE GREED! Years ago when stadiums were relatively small compared to today (22,000 at MSU vs 65,000 today) plus televised games were a rarity unless you were highly ranked or some high profile named rivalry game. The point is, years ago not much money, relatively speaking, was made by the university. Not much money, not much interest in NIL concepts.

But now, since most games are televised and stadiums have increased dramatically, so has revenue for the university. Now everybody suddenly wants a piece of the big ole pie, including the poor ole student athlete who gets a free education, room, meals and tutoring, plus other perks I am sure I am unaware of!

Turning amateur college athletics into a pro league is turning A LOT of fans off. If you wonder why our NIL fund is not as big as say other schools who have a handful of crazy rich donors, look no further as most everyday fans do not want to pay, some can't pay, a STUDENT to play sports.

I get being competitive and so does the average fan, but turning STUDENT athletes into pros is not the way to do it! It is ruining college sports and if this keeps going it will ruin high school sports as well!

This is PURE GREED and is very quickly ruining college athletics!

Have the universities create a pro farm league, for those pro minded and physically gifted, separate from the university itself where now TRUE STUDENT ATHLETES can compete at the collegiate (amateur) level.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

Your reasoning in point #1 is ass backwards.

The athletes are STUDENTS, you had to qualify to be a student first, and sports is a past time or extracurricular activity that you have to qualify for in order to participate - a C average or that was the intent years ago.

Student athletes are NOT employees of the university like the coaches are. They are given a scholarship, if they are good enough, to help cover the cost of their education. Even the IRS recognizes the difference between a scholarship and being an employee - employees have to pay taxes on the money they receive from their employees as that is earned income where student athlete with a scholarship do not as long as the money is used to pay for reasonable education related expenses. This is how kids, in days past, who may not normally be able to afford college were able to attend and better their life thru a college education.

The idea of student athletes - amateurs, receiving money for pay or name image and likeness (NIL), has only been an issue in recent years. The question is WHY - WHY NOW? The answer is PURE GREED! Years ago when stadiums were relatively small compared to today (22,000 at MSU vs 65,000 today) plus televised games were a rarity unless you were highly ranked or some high profile named rivalry game. The point is, years ago not much money, relatively speaking, was made by the university. Not much money, not much interest in NIL concepts.

But now, since most games are televised and stadiums have increased dramatically, so has revenue for the university. Now everybody suddenly wants a piece of the big ole pie, including the poor ole student athlete who gets a free education, room, meals and tutoring, plus other perks I am sure I am unaware of!

Turning amateur college athletics into a pro league is turning A LOT of fans off. If you wonder why our NIL fund is not as big as say other schools who have a handful of crazy rich donors, look no further as most everyday fans do not want to pay, some can't pay, a STUDENT to play sports.

I get being competitive and so does the average fan, but turning STUDENT athletes into pros is not the way to do it! It is ruining college sports and if this keeps going it will ruin high school sports as well!

This is PURE GREED and is very quickly ruining college athletics!

Have the universities create a pro farm league, for those pro minded and physically gifted, separate from the university itself where now TRUE STUDENT ATHLETES can compete at the collegiate (amateur) level.

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Cab. Politely stick your head back in the sand to the changing world and DROP IT. Your view is HURTING MSU. Whether you are buying tickets or not. People will take your posts and spew that MSU doesn't support NLI.

Del

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

If fans aren't willing to donate to NIL to be on this board, I don't care to see them on the board or to see their opinion

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Lot of fans don?t care to see your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

Your reasoning in point #1 is ass backwards.

The athletes are STUDENTS, you had to qualify to be a student first, and sports is a past time or extracurricular activity that you have to qualify for in order to participate - a C average or that was the intent years ago.

Student athletes are NOT employees of the university like the coaches are. They are given a scholarship, if they are good enough, to help cover the cost of their education. Even the IRS recognizes the difference between a scholarship and being an employee - employees have to pay taxes on the money they receive from their employees as that is earned income where student athlete with a scholarship do not as long as the money is used to pay for reasonable education related expenses. This is how kids, in days past, who may not normally be able to afford college were able to attend and better their life thru a college education.

The idea of student athletes - amateurs, receiving money for pay or name image and likeness (NIL), has only been an issue in recent years. The question is WHY - WHY NOW? The answer is PURE GREED! Years ago when stadiums were relatively small compared to today (22,000 at MSU vs 65,000 today) plus televised games were a rarity unless you were highly ranked or some high profile named rivalry game. The point is, years ago not much money, relatively speaking, was made by the university. Not much money, not much interest in NIL concepts.

But now, since most games are televised and stadiums have increased dramatically, so has revenue for the university. Now everybody suddenly wants a piece of the big ole pie, including the poor ole student athlete who gets a free education, room, meals and tutoring, plus other perks I am sure I am unaware of!

Turning amateur college athletics into a pro league is turning A LOT of fans off. If you wonder why our NIL fund is not as big as say other schools who have a handful of crazy rich donors, look no further as most everyday fans do not want to pay, some can't pay, a STUDENT to play sports.

I get being competitive and so does the average fan, but turning STUDENT athletes into pros is not the way to do it! It is ruining college sports and if this keeps going it will ruin high school sports as well!

This is PURE GREED and is very quickly ruining college athletics!

Have the universities create a pro farm league, for those pro minded and physically gifted, separate from the university itself where now TRUE STUDENT ATHLETES can compete at the collegiate (amateur) level.

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The irony of your post is you claim student athletes are greedy?. Then proceed to list all the ways they are bringing in money for the universities? yet somehow go back to them being greedy because they would like to be benefactors of a portion of that? its like you wrote this with the intention to contradict yourself.

Make it make sense.

They are greedy, NIL only became an issue when universities started making significant money. Before then it was no issue. Reread the post.

Also keep in mind, STUDENTS, are NOT EMPLOYEES! Read in my post where scholarships are not treated the same as a salary. If you can not see the difference, I can not help you.

here's the big difference. schools make money and boosters pay NIL. this doesn't come from the schools. two different subjects.

I've got so many ramblings and thoughts when it comes to this so-called NIL (which is a ludicrous term) or "buying players" (another misnomer; should be called renting players) that I don't think I can put it together in any kind of coherent or complete rant.

Why would any rational person give to this money pit? Where is the ROI? I keep hearing that some magical number will produce winning a national championship on the field, but no one can tell me what is the exact number? And even if MSU does win a national championship, do I get anything for it? NO (Oh wait, I guess I get to stick my chest out and tell all my friends, "See what I did." Please!). I'm told that I should support these so-called student athletes with my hard-earned dollars because they only want their "piece of the pie". Well, guess what? If they want my hard-earned dollars then I want my piece of the pie too.

Here's a deal that I would consider. If I give to some sort of initiative to rent athletes, then the initiative gets a portion of their future earnings (2%, 5%, 10%, etc.) for a period of time after graduation (5 to 10 years or more, has to be long enough to get past rookie contracts). Think of it as a mutual fund. Then the initiative would either cut me a dividend check every so often or I could choose to re-invest it.

No, that's still a bad investment. Not enough Dak Prescott's in the world. Well screw it then. Let the colleges put them on the payroll as employees (Wait, does that make them State employees? #$%^, I get screwed again). After all they are the ones supposedly getting the big pay day!!!

I told you my rant would be incoherent. Have a nice day!

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Originally Posted by GeoDawg

I've got so many ramblings and thoughts when it comes to this so-called NIL (which is a ludicrous term) or "buying players" (another misnomer; should be called renting players) that I don't think I can put it together in any kind of coherent or complete rant.

Why would any rational person give to this money pit? Where is the ROI? I keep hearing that some magical number will produce winning a national championship on the field, but no one can tell me what is the exact number? And even if MSU does win a national championship, do I get anything for it? NO (Oh wait, I guess I get to stick my chest out and tell all my friends, "See what I did." Please!). I'm told that I should support these so-called student athletes with my hard-earned dollars because they only want their "piece of the pie". Well, guess what? If they want my hard-earned dollars then I want my piece of the pie too.

Here's a deal that I would consider. If I give to some sort of initiative to rent athletes, then the initiative gets a portion of their future earnings (2%, 5%, 10%, etc.) for a period of time after graduation (5 to 10 years or more, has to be long enough to get past rookie contracts). Think of it as a mutual fund. Then the initiative would either cut me a dividend check every so often or I could choose to re-invest it.

No, that's still a bad investment. Not enough Dak Prescott's in the world. Well screw it then. Let the colleges put them on the payroll as employees (Wait, does that make them State employees? #$%^, I get screwed again). After all they are the ones supposedly getting the big pay day!!!

I told you my rant would be incoherent. Have a nice day!

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Amen to this !! I think even the Dems would consider those poll numbers as not advantageous?

lookout, don't agitate the safe spacers********

Most rational post I've seen on NIL.

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Originally Posted by GeoDawg

I've got so many ramblings and thoughts when it comes to this so-called NIL (which is a ludicrous term) or "buying players" (another misnomer; should be called renting players) that I don't think I can put it together in any kind of coherent or complete rant.

Why would any rational person give to this money pit? Where is the ROI? I keep hearing that some magical number will produce winning a national championship on the field, but no one can tell me what is the exact number? And even if MSU does win a national championship, do I get anything for it? NO (Oh wait, I guess I get to stick my chest out and tell all my friends, "See what I did." Please!). I'm told that I should support these so-called student athletes with my hard-earned dollars because they only want their "piece of the pie". Well, guess what? If they want my hard-earned dollars then I want my piece of the pie too.

Here's a deal that I would consider. If I give to some sort of initiative to rent athletes, then the initiative gets a portion of their future earnings (2%, 5%, 10%, etc.) for a period of time after graduation (5 to 10 years or more, has to be long enough to get past rookie contracts). Think of it as a mutual fund. Then the initiative would either cut me a dividend check every so often or I could choose to re-invest it.

No, that's still a bad investment. Not enough Dak Prescott's in the world. Well screw it then. Let the colleges put them on the payroll as employees (Wait, does that make them State employees? #$%^, I get screwed again). After all they are the ones supposedly getting the big pay day!!!

I told you my rant would be incoherent. Have a nice day!

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Bravo!!

The student athletes are not greedy. They have collectively made 100s of Billions of dollars for Universities, the NCAA, and networks. It is complete bullshit that these players basically train 364 days a year, all day every day and don?t have enough money to take in a movie or date that hot Co-Ed that wants the D. Seriously. The poor kids that make it to campus, walk around poorer than any of us day to day, yet they have a skill set that puts all those billions into motion.

Dan Mullen talked about this literally every single year he was here. It is total BS. I hope they get every single dollar they can get. And yes, the stars will make more. Bigger schools with wealthy alumni will do even better. And at the end of the day, where Bama and Georgia would get 50% of the talent in the SEC, now they get 70%. It still doesn?t change the fact that we will lose to them 9 out of 10 times.

The bigger issue is the free transfer rules. But, if a normal student can do it, so should they be able to.

Schools should be sharing the piece of the pie and the NCAA gave them the go ahead to do that. Up to 20 million a year for paying players.

The University needs to raise say 2 billion dollars endowment to cover that 20 million a year. There?s the number you wanted.

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Originally Posted by archdog

Schools should be sharing the piece of the pie and the NCAA gave them the go ahead to do that. Up to 20 million a year for paying players.

The University needs to raise say 2 billion dollars endowment to cover that 20 million a year. There?s the number you wanted.

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Yep. You about the see the gap REEEeAAAALLYY widen. There will be those programs that can easily drop 20 mil. For players a year then the other 90% of schools can’t. I’m all for the kids making some money but you’re about to see this become a 15 team college football league. The rest will be exhibition/preseason type games