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11-02-2023, 08:53 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He's just makes up false narratives when someone takes a different view point.

I've noticed that over many moons now.
11-02-2023, 08:53 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

That had absolutely ZERO to do with my statement. I had no freakin clue how much he threw the football. He has LESS than 2 years as a P5 OC and he's on his 5th year as an OC. This is WORSE than Zach's situation. Quit being a dumbass.

The issue with Zach Arnett is his archaic approach to offense, not his experience level.
11-02-2023, 08:54 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by KB21

Yet, if he had taken the Alabama job when Nick offered it to him last year, that would have made him a better candidate? Grubb may be the highest paid OC in college football. Washington is paying him $2 million per season.

He was never going to Alabama. He can't pull his head out of another man's ass. That's a big red flag. If he's so great, he's not scared the break off on his own.
11-02-2023, 08:54 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

KB really likes McDaniel of dolphins, so I think KB thinks a great, young OC will automatically work. The nfl is different than college though.

If I have a Urban, Mullen, Leach, or similar as a HC, then a young OC might be ok since they can guide and direct them.
11-02-2023, 08:55 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by KB21

Denbrock is also 59 years old. I'm not hiring a 59 year old first time head coach.

Yeah, Denbrock has had several opportunities to be the head man in his career. I doubt he wants to make that kind of move at 59.
11-02-2023, 08:55 PM
Cooterpoot

KB, I'm worried you're going to have a stroke over all this
11-02-2023, 08:56 PM
KB21

Oh, it's very clear that coaches who dare to build their offense around the passing game are shunned on this board.
11-02-2023, 08:57 PM
SpaceBully

Will he be available for 2025?
11-02-2023, 08:57 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by KB21

Oh, it's very clear that coaches who dare to build their offense around the passing game are shunned on this board.

Naw, but thanks for lying again.
11-02-2023, 09:00 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, Denbrock has had several opportunities to be the head man in his career. I doubt he wants to make that kind of move at 59.

Hmmm ... Lots of experience. He has done a helluva job with Daniels too. I kinda like this guy. And you can't argue with LSU's O this year.

ETA: I was thinking I was replying to Clark but if he don't want a job like HC, then we sure shouldn't hire him then.
11-02-2023, 09:02 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

He was never going to Alabama. He can't pull his head out of another man's ass. That's a big red flag. If he's so great, he's not scared the break off on his own.

He didn't take the Alabama job because Nick Saban wanted him to run Nick Saban's offense, not the one he and Kalen DeBoer have developed over 15 years. That's why Nick has Todd Reesing instead and Grubb got a bump in pay.
11-02-2023, 09:07 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Hmmm ... Lots of experience. He has done a helluva job with Daniels too. I kinda like this guy. And you can't argue with LSU's O this year.

His years at Cin as OC were good, after his first season.
11-02-2023, 09:09 PM
TrapGame

Out of the ghost of Christmas past file:

Rich Rod has Jacksonville State looking good. Some people are talking about him upsetting South Carolina this weekend. There's some speculation he might get another shot at a bigger program if he pulls the upset. He's not on my list but he might be on someone's.
11-02-2023, 09:11 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

His years at Cin as OC were good, after his first season.

Without looking it up I kinda remembered he was good at Cincy. I love (and hated when playing us) how he's handled Daniels. I said before the year he was best QB in SEC and may be the best in the country. He's a playa now.
11-02-2023, 09:14 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Out of the ghost of Christmas past file:

Rich Rod has Jacksonville State looking good. Some people are talking about him upsetting South Carolina this weekend. There's some speculation he might get another shot at a bigger program if he pulls the upset. He's not on my list but he might be on someone's.

Rich rod certainly isn't my choice, but the melt from KB, blacksails, and Santiago would make it entertaining at least
11-02-2023, 09:22 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I don't think anyone is strictly saying SEC coordinators but coordinators with SEC experience, especially SEC coordinator experience would be on a more preferred list. Lebby, Longo, Briles. But you are skipping Mike Denbrook, he is a very good OC at LSU. Has done good work with QB's as well.

Maybe throw in Joe Brady.
11-02-2023, 09:23 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Rich rod certainly isn't my choice, but the melt from KB, blacksails, and Santiago would make it entertaining at least

I don't keep up with all the coaches everywhere but you mentioned Clawson back in earlier days. I like him but problem is he won a division in ACC in 2021 and he probably ain't leaving Wake now.
11-02-2023, 09:26 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I don't keep up with all the coaches everywhere but you mentioned Clawson back in earlier days. I like him but problem is he won a division in ACC in 2021 and he probably ain't leaving Wake now.

I would love clawson. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to be a candidate anywhere, so I've given up hope
11-02-2023, 09:41 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Rich rod certainly isn't my choice, but the melt from KB, blacksails, and Santiago would make it entertaining at least

We could do a helluva lot worse than Rich Rod by hiring a lot of the unknowns people are throwing around. Hiring is 50/50 shoot at best - and you are lessening those odds by giving some OC his break. The one thing I loved about the Leach decision was that we went out and got a dude. Same with Jackie. It brings credibility and shows commitment and it's makes a rebuild a whole lot easier.
11-02-2023, 09:44 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We could do a helluva lot worse than Rich Rod by hiring a lot of the unknowns people are throwing around. Hiring is 50/50 shoot at best - and you are lessening those odds by giving some OC his break. The one thing I loved about the Leach decision was that we went out and got a dude. Same with Jackie. It brings credibility and shows commitment and it's makes a rebuild a whole lot easier.

I would go fritz over rich rod. Fritz on cusp of back-to-back NY6 bowl games
11-02-2023, 09:50 PM
HoopsDawg

If we hire Rich Rod, I'm done.
11-02-2023, 09:52 PM
KB21

Fritz is 63. He’s too much of a defense first, run the ball to control the clock, and win the kicking game coach.

He would raise the floor of the team, but the fact that he doesn’t have embrace modern football and passing the ball limits the ceiling. He’s not going to attract QBs and WRs, which is what you need to win.
11-02-2023, 09:59 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by KB21

Fritz is 63. He’s too much of a defense first, run the ball to control the clock, and win the kicking game coach.

He would raise the floor of the team, but the fact that he doesn’t have embrace modern football and passing the ball limits the ceiling. He’s not going to attract QBs and WRs, which is what you need to win.

Well except his QB will be highly sought after this portal season and had a 1000 yard WR in the NFL in 2021. Injured in 2022 and is not the same.
11-02-2023, 10:05 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Well except his QB will be highly sought after this portal season and had a 1000 yard WR in the NFL in 2021. Injured in 2022 and is not the same.

Apparently 2 million is the QBs asking price
11-02-2023, 10:09 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I would say yes. Working under saban is good for the resume

Definitely so, but even the fact Saban wanted this guy says a whole lot about him
11-02-2023, 10:18 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Apparently 2 million is the QBs asking price

I heard it was really high
11-02-2023, 10:31 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Apparently 2 million is the QBs asking price

LSU bound?
11-02-2023, 11:18 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

If we hire Rich Rod, I'm done.

Why? He's been pretty successful at a lot of jobs and probably would be here too.
11-03-2023, 12:02 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by KB21

The issue with Zach Arnett is his archaic approach to offense, not his experience level.

Now I'm not going back and forth with you all day or week or whatever about this ... so if you wanna argue about it I'll just ignore it.

There are 2 main problems (possibly 3) with Zach.
1) His experience (and lack thereof).
2) He's seems to be listening to the wrong folks and/or he has 2 sets of folks pulling him in opposite directions and he ain't sure which way to go.
A possible 3rd) He's a DC and apparently he is tampering with the offense too much maybe. Don't know for sure tho and some supposed X and O genius on here might use that as an excuse for how our offense is running.

Personally I'm pert near positive #1 and #2 are the main problems.

But #1, his experience, is the main problem with Zach. Problem #1 is the main reason he's having problem #2. Gimme Fitz with an Aeris and read option but with WRs like Leach had in 21 and 22, they gonna get a lot of yards and a lot of points too.

Schemes are way secondary to someone who knows how to build and run a program successfully. That is the hard part and you only learn it thru a LOT of experience. That's why Mullen was able to do it. He had been with Urban a couple of times when he built successful programs. Leach and Mumme had built programs together before Leach ever went out on his own.

Bum Phillips said of Bear Bryant (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I know a lot of coaches that know more about X's and O's than Bear does, but I never met anyone who knows more about people. Bear can take his'n and beat your'n, and your'n and beat his'n".

And that's absolutely true for the most part. Some exceptions might be the #1 and #2 recruiters every year in current CFB. Saban himself has said what he does best is recruit. He still knows a lot about people tho.

So to sum up ... ain't no scheme in and of itself gonna magically make us an 8 to 10 win team. Period! The Coach and Coaching staff matter a lot too. I was a Leach fan for the culture and toughness he instilled, more than I was a pure AR fan.
11-03-2023, 12:37 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I would love clawson. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to be a candidate anywhere, so I've given up hope

He has connections with Selmon
11-03-2023, 01:37 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

KB really likes McDaniel of dolphins, so I think KB thinks a great, young OC will automatically work. The nfl is different than college though.

It's not about being young- it's about being talented. If a 28 year old is a talented OC we should be interested in him. Typically MSU fans have been worried about "experience" with coaches like that instead of actually focusing on the body of work as a coach. And we're also talking about OC here- not head coach. Which is a major difference.

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Originally Posted by KB21

The issue with Zach Arnett is his archaic approach to offense, not his experience level.

He's simply in over his head and he is surrounded by people that don't necessarily have his- or MSU's best interests at heart. A big issue is he is listening to the wrong people who aren't even as qualified as Arnett to make the decision. If someone had told him to hire someone that ran a modified AR or even a Veer and Shoot and a legit experienced DC we're more likely talking about an extension for Arnett than the various hot seat articles he is on.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I would go fritz over rich rod. Fritz on cusp of back-to-back NY6 bowl games

Fritz is loved at Tulane. He's a really good coach. And it's interesting because when Tulane hired him they thought he would run the triple option because he came from Georgia Southern but he evolved to a spread option type attack to more of a pro style attack.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Out of the ghost of Christmas past file:

Rich Rod has Jacksonville State looking good. Some people are talking about him upsetting South Carolina this weekend. There's some speculation he might get another shot at a bigger program if he pulls the upset. He's not on my list but he might be on someone's.

I think it's buyer beware with Rich Rod. He is a great offensive mind but much like Leach he's not what he was 20 years ago. Right now offensively they're only averaging 2 more PPG than we are. And they're very much being carried by their defense. Which means we would probably be better off looking at his DC than him.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Now I'm not going back and forth with you all day or week or whatever about this ... so if you wanna argue about it I'll just ignore it.

There are 2 main problems (possibly 3) with Zach.
1) His experience (and lack thereof).
2) He's seems to be listening to the wrong folks and/or he has 2 sets of folks pulling him in opposite directions and he ain't sure which way to go.
A possible 3rd) He's a DC and apparently he is tampering with the offense too much maybe. Don't know for sure tho and some supposed X and O genius on here might use that as an excuse for how our offense is running.

Personally I'm pert near positive #1 and #2 are the main problems.

But #1, his experience, is the main problem with Zach. Problem #1 is the main reason he's having problem #2. Gimme Fitz with an Aeris and read option but with WRs like Leach had in 21 and 22, they gonna get a lot of yards and a lot of points too.

Schemes are way secondary to someone who knows how to build and run a program successfully. That is the hard part and you only learn it thru a LOT of experience. That's why Mullen was able to do it. He had been with Urban a couple of times when he built successful programs. Leach and Mumme had built programs together before Leach ever went out on his own.

Bum Phillips said of Bear Bryant (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I know a lot of coaches that know more about X's and O's than Bear does, but I never met anyone who knows more about people. Bear can take his'n and beat your'n, and your'n and beat his'n".

And that's absolutely true for the most part. Some exceptions might be the #1 and #2 recruiters every year in current CFB. Saban himself has said what he does best is recruit. He still knows a lot about people tho.

So to sum up ... ain't no scheme in and of itself gonna magically make us an 8 to 10 win team. Period! The Coach and Coaching staff matter a lot too. I was a Leach fan for the culture and toughness he instilled, more than I was a pure AR fan.

Great post as usual.

I will say that I would be fine with Lebby. He no doubt talks to Art Briles and has him as a resource. He has been around Heupel and Kiffin and has SEC experience. I'm pretty sure he would probably bring in Clement their OL coach and their TE coach Finley. I also think his offense is a good happy medium between the AR and the Caveman run the ball crowd.

If he can find a good DC- like poach SMU or Troy's DC- we could turn this around pretty quickly.
11-03-2023, 01:38 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

He has connections with Selmon

Selmon has a lot of connections from what I have heard. More than any AD we have ever had when it comes to football.

Which is why I am optimistic we make a great hire once Arnett leaves whenever that is.
11-03-2023, 04:29 AM
Leeshouldveflanked

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Selmon has a lot of connections from what I have heard. More than any AD we have ever had when it comes to football.

Which is why I am optimistic we make a great hire once Arnett leaves whenever that is.

I think Arnett left at halftime of the Arizona game.
11-03-2023, 07:48 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked

I think Arnett left at halftime of the Arizona game.

Hahahaha!!!!!
11-03-2023, 08:05 AM
KB21

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawgday166

Now I'm not going back and forth with you all day or week or whatever about this ... so if you wanna argue about it I'll just ignore it.

There are 2 main problems (possibly 3) with Zach.
1) His experience (and lack thereof).
2) He's seems to be listening to the wrong folks and/or he has 2 sets of folks pulling him in opposite directions and he ain't sure which way to go.
A possible 3rd) He's a DC and apparently he is tampering with the offense too much maybe. Don't know for sure tho and some supposed X and O genius on here might use that as an excuse for how our offense is running.

Personally I'm pert near positive #1 and #2 are the main problems.

But #1, his experience, is the main problem with Zach. Problem #1 is the main reason he's having problem #2. Gimme Fitz with an Aeris and read option but with WRs like Leach had in 21 and 22, they gonna get a lot of yards and a lot of points too.

Schemes are way secondary to someone who knows how to build and run a program successfully. That is the hard part and you only learn it thru a LOT of experience. That's why Mullen was able to do it. He had been with Urban a couple of times when he built successful programs. Leach and Mumme had built programs together before Leach ever went out on his own.

Bum Phillips said of Bear Bryant (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I know a lot of coaches that know more about X's and O's than Bear does, but I never met anyone who knows more about people. Bear can take his'n and beat your'n, and your'n and beat his'n".

And that's absolutely true for the most part. Some exceptions might be the #1 and #2 recruiters every year in current CFB. Saban himself has said what he does best is recruit. He still knows a lot about people tho.

So to sum up ... ain't no scheme in and of itself gonna magically make us an 8 to 10 win team. Period! The Coach and Coaching staff matter a lot too. I was a Leach fan for the culture and toughness he instilled, more than I was a pure AR fan.

We can get the program builder that runs a boring offense that isn't attractive to skill position players, and we can continue to watch Ole Miss lap us with their exciting brand of football.
11-03-2023, 08:07 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think it's buyer beware with Rich Rod. He is a great offensive mind but much like Leach he's not what he was 20 years ago. Right now offensively they're only averaging 2 more PPG than we are. And they're very much being carried by their defense. Which means we would probably be better off looking at his DC than him.

In principle, I don't disagree. You also have to keep in mind that this is Jax St. first year as a D1 football program - and they are top 65 in offense and top 25 in defense and are 7-2. That's impressive.
11-03-2023, 08:31 AM
WeWonItAll(Most)

Washington has multiple NFL receivers and an NFL qb.. Not sure if this season is the best to judge how good their OC is.
11-03-2023, 08:50 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)

Washington has multiple NFL receivers and an NFL qb.. Not sure if this season is the best to judge how good their OC is.

Moorhead 2.0?
11-03-2023, 08:58 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Moorhead 2.0?

Naw, I think he is better than that honestly. I would like to see him operate away from Washington and on his own though.
11-03-2023, 09:04 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I would love clawson. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to be a candidate anywhere, so I've given up hope

His HC record Overall 153-138

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