Go ahead and stop playing and pay 6mil a year

Some of y'all are so unrealistic. Kalen DeBoer is not in any universe leaving fricking Washington and coming to State.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What? We are much more exciting to watch post Leach. We have gotten away from the checkdown passes to the RBs . Leachs offense was like the Wing- T

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Leach's offense produced 9 wins last year. This clown show with a veteran team and an SEC as down as it's been in 20 years is going to win 4. A side note on the Wing-T. Watching a team that can run it correctly is pure beauty. Also, you must've never coached defense because I have for 28+ years and stopping the Wing-T is a royal pain in the arse. You're talking about boring and lifeless? That crap I'm watching in Maroon and White every Saturday is just that. Awful, awful product in every phase. Awful.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

If Arkansas can poach away a coach who had just won 3 straight Big Ten Championships at Wisconsin, then we can at least try to hire a coach from Washington.

Whether or not we could get him is a valid question, but let's not let our chronic inferiority complex stop us from asking.

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Arkansas was just one season removed from finishing #5 in the country back then though, wouldn?t be able to do it now.

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Originally Posted by msudawg1200

Some of y'all are so unrealistic. Kalen DeBoer is not in any universe leaving fricking Washington and coming to State.

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I wish our fans (and really our entire state) didn't have this inferiority complex.

DeBoer would come here if the money was right, as would just about any coach. The only questions are:

• Can we afford to pay him the salary it would take to get him here?
• Even if we can afford it, should we? Is that the most optimal use of funds?
• Can we also fend off other SEC/Big 10 schools who might want him?

Personally, I'm not sure that the answer to all of those questions is Yes (or any of them, for that matter), but the idea that we shouldn't even discuss the possibility because we're just poor little Mississippi State is a cancer on our fanbase.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

It's really not that hard. Mullen did great. He was a lazy recruiter and job searched every year. If he had given a little more effort we would have had multiple 9-10 win seasons and would have won the west at least once in his tenure. Would have made the playoffs in 2014 with a little more effort and in 2018 had he stayed.
I get it's not an easy job, but most aren't.

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When are y?all gonna figure out that this is a completely new era of college football? Our job is very difficult due to the facts of, one smallest budgets in our conference, a base that will never be united behind anything, lack of NIL funding, and we are in a small state with a small population. It?s a damn hard job.

We aren't going to pay $10MM. You guys can forget that and that's about what it would take. Washington is probably going to more than double his salary quickly.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

BI and players is wayyyy more important than spending 6 mil for a maybe good hire/ maybe not.

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The school pays for the coaches. Don't see these being competing factors.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

The school pays for the coaches. Don't see these being competing factors.

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The school actually only pays for a part of the coaches salary- the Foundation pays the rest

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We aren't going to pay $10MM. You guys can forget that and that's about what it would take. Washington is probably going to more than double his salary quickly.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

When are y?all gonna figure out that this is a completely new era of college football? Our job is very difficult due to the facts of, one smallest budgets in our conference, a base that will never be united behind anything, lack of NIL funding, and we are in a small state with a small population. It?s a damn hard job.

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There are 69 P5 schools right now. We're about #40 in budgets. Better than that in NIL. We're realistically a middle of the pack P5 job. We're not at the bottom like some try to sell.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I wish our fans (and really our entire state) didn't have this inferiority complex.

DeBoer would come here if the money was right, as would just about any coach. The only questions are:

• Can we afford to pay him the salary it would take to get him here?
• Even if we can afford it, should we? Is that the most optimal use of funds?
• Can we also fend off other SEC/Big 10 schools who might want him?

Personally, I'm not sure that the answer to all of those questions is Yes (or any of them, for that matter), but the idea that we shouldn't even discuss the possibility because we're just poor little Mississippi State is a cancer on our fanbase.

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We can totally get any coach we want no matter what. I personally think we are aiming low with Washington's coach. I think we should consider Jim Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin. Bill Belichick seems pretty unhappy lately in NE. We just need to give them a call and make them say no.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

There are 69 P5 schools right now. We're about #40 in budgets. Better than that in NIL. We're realistically a middle of the pack P5 job. We're not at the bottom like some try to sell.

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We are the bottom 3 in our conference across the board, it?s a tough gig,

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

We are the bottom 3 in our conference across the board, it?s a tough gig,

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Nah, not at all. You're dead wrong but carry on. You seem to be doing it a lot lately.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Leach is the only current HC we have hired to be HC since Darryl Royal

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If Royal counts since we hired him from Maple Football, then I feel like Bellard counts since he resigned when he knew he had a job waiting with us.

Which means to put in better perspective, the only coaches we hired that were head coaching a different college the year before:

Mike Leach (Wazzu)
Emory Bellard (Texas A&M)
Slick Morton (VMI)

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

There are 69 P5 schools right now. We're about #40 in budgets. Better than that in NIL. We're realistically a middle of the pack P5 job. We're not at the bottom like some try to sell.

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Unfortunately, we have many in our fanbase that have that poor little us mentality.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

We can totally get any coach we want no matter what. I personally think we are aiming low with Washington's coach. I think we should consider Jim Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin. Bill Belichick seems pretty unhappy lately in NE. We just need to give them a call and make them say no.

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Walk in the bar and pick the fat chick early. That's the Mississippi State way.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The school actually only pays for a part of the coaches salary- the Foundation pays the rest

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I understand that is technically correct

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I wish our fans (and really our entire state) didn't have this inferiority complex.

DeBoer would come here if the money was right, as would just about any coach. The only questions are:

• Can we afford to pay him the salary it would take to get him here?
• Even if we can afford it, should we? Is that the most optimal use of funds?
• Can we also fend off other SEC/Big 10 schools who might want him?

Personally, I'm not sure that the answer to all of those questions is Yes (or any of them, for that matter), but the idea that we shouldn't even discuss the possibility because we're just poor little Mississippi State is a cancer on our fanbase.

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Has nothing to do with an "inferiority complex". It's the truth. We could pay him more. He still isn't coming here. Period. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Nah, not at all. You're dead wrong but carry on. You seem to be doing it a lot lately.

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You can continue to let your heart lead your head. The truth sux but you can?t run from it forever.

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

And get kalen deboer. A proven winner at every level. He?s making in the neighborhood of 3.4 mil a year right now and only has a 3 year contract. He?s the answer IF we start over. I?m only for starting over IF we can get someone like that.

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He was extended last year to $4.2 MIL per year for 6 years. He has 5 years left on that deal with a $10 MIL buyout through 2025.

Here is were you have to be careful with the idea of just throwing big salary at coaches at higher programs. When they turn you down, you will be the same fans calling the job search a dumpster fire. Even though you want us to make a big money move, you will turn on the search when / if it does not work. When they all turn you down and you drop down to the correct pool of coaches that likely will come, you just set a salary expectation that you end up over paying for those type of coaches. You go throwing around a $9 MIL figure and end up with a coordinator you could have got for $3 - 4 MIL but end up paying $5-6 MIL for.

If you have a P5 HC that is a legit option AND reaches out or is willing to talk and negotiate, fine. You absolutely do that for that one coach but you had better have a clear picture of what your coaching pool reality is prior and move quickly into that pool if the big hire doesn't happen. You don't want a prolonged TN type of shit show search.

Honestly, unless I have one that is seriously interested like Leach was, I go straight to a Lebby. He has the credentials of what you look for that has a higher chance of success than most other realistic options in our pool. Still a crap shoot but the credentials are there to lower the risk of a bust.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I wish our fans (and really our entire state) didn't have this inferiority complex.

DeBoer would come here if the money was right, as would just about any coach. The only questions are:

• Can we afford to pay him the salary it would take to get him here?
• Even if we can afford it, should we? Is that the most optimal use of funds?
• Can we also fend off other SEC/Big 10 schools who might want him?

Personally, I'm not sure that the answer to all of those questions is Yes (or any of them, for that matter), but the idea that we shouldn't even discuss the possibility because we're just poor little Mississippi State is a cancer on our fanbase.

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You are living in a fantasy world. Nobody is leaving Washington for ms state. Sorry. Not now they they have a place in the big ten.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

The school pays for the coaches. Don't see these being competing factors.

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Sure it does. The money that we need to pay for players is coming from people who help pay for coaches. Sure it matters.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What? We are much more exciting to watch post Leach. We have gotten away from the checkdown passes to the RBs . Leachs offense was like the Wing- T

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If all you care about is taking a few vertical shots on offense, sure. Otherwise, no. Nobody flies around, the effort is poor, we are soft at every level, fans are apathetic, our coach is boring and repeats himself weekly, every blitz and stunt we run is telegraphed, we have defenders who don't know where to be and OL who pull the wrong way, we play with 9 people on defense. None of that is exciting. And if we finish with a losing record, that's not going to be exciting at all.

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

And get kalen deboer. A proven winner at every level. He?s making in the neighborhood of 3.4 mil a year right now and only has a 3 year contract. He?s the answer IF we start over. I?m only for starting over IF we can get someone like that.

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Hahaha! Yea ok

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

When are y?all gonna figure out that this is a completely new era of college football? Our job is very difficult due to the facts of, one smallest budgets in our conference, a base that will never be united behind anything, lack of NIL funding, and we are in a small state with a small population. It?s a damn hard job.

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All of those were true under Mullen and leach too (NIL funding being low equals getting out spent for players during Mullen).

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Sure it does. The money that we need to pay for players is coming from people who help pay for coaches. Sure it matters.

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Seems like our admin should tell those people to but players instead of coaches.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Here is were you have to be careful with the idea of just throwing big salary at coaches at higher programs. When they turn you down, you will be the same fans calling the job search a dumpster fire. Even though you want us to make a big money move, you will turn on the search when / if it does not work. When they all turn you down and you drop down to the correct pool of coaches that likely will come, you just set a salary expectation that you end up over paying for those type of coaches. You go throwing around a $9 MIL figure and end up with a coordinator you could have got for $3 - 4 MIL but end up paying $5-6 MIL for.

If you have a P5 HC that is a legit option AND reaches out or is willing to talk and negotiate, fine. You absolutely do that for that one coach but you had better have a clear picture of what your coaching pool reality is prior and move quickly into that pool if the big hire doesn't happen. You don't want a prolonged TN type of shit show search.

Honestly, unless I have one that is seriously interested like Leach was, I go straight to a Lebby. He has the credentials of what you look for that has a higher chance of success than most other realistic options in our pool. Still a crap shoot but the credentials are there to lower the risk of a bust.

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Well, you don't want the coaching search to get played out in the media. (I know- LOL).

I like Lebby. I think he can be very good.

But I would be a little surprised if we just go straight to him. We could certainly pull Rhett Lashley or Tyson Helton. Both have head coaching experience and SEC experience and both have MSU ties on their coaching staffs. If Helton can pull Ben Arbuckle you definitely do it. SMU's DC Scott Symons is elite.

With Lebby there is the question of what his staff is, who he would hire at DC, and etc. That said- his resume' is similar to Dan Mullen when we hired him but of course with that came some growing pains in year one- LSU and Houston 2009. I do like Lebby's offense a lot and controversial or not having Art Briles on speed dial is a good resource to have.

And if I'm in Selmon's shoes I definitely at least kick the tires on someone like Sonny Dykes and see if he wants to come to the SEC. If he says no he says no and we go in a different direction.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Seems like our admin should tell those people to but players instead of coaches.

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That's so true. We need to use that TV money on the coaches more. Would be interesting to see a breakdown which I'm sure doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Well, you don't want the coaching search to get played out in the media. (I know- LOL).

I like Lebby. I think he can be very good.

But I would be a little surprised if we just go straight to him. We could certainly pull Rhett Lashley or Tyson Helton. Both have head coaching experience and SEC experience and both have MSU ties on their coaching staffs. If Helton can pull Ben Arbuckle you definitely do it. SMU's DC Scott Symons is elite.

With Lebby there is the question of what his staff is, who he would hire at DC, and etc. That said- his resume' is similar to Dan Mullen when we hired him but of course with that came some growing pains in year one- LSU and Houston 2009. I do like Lebby's offense a lot and controversial or not having Art Briles on speed dial is a good resource to have.

And if I'm in Selmon's shoes I definitely at least kick the tires on someone like Sonny Dykes and see if he wants to come to the SEC. If he says no he says no and we go in a different direction.

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I'm not going to a G5 HC with only a year and a half as a HC and 11-8 record In Rhett. I want to see a 9-10 win season out of him at that level. I do like Symons, think he may move up this year.

Honestly, if Dykes didn't hit out of the blue last year then he's not really as sought after. I think he may be a one hit wonder because he's never shown that type of coaching and recruiting ability before. We will see, he is a solid coach but is not nearly good enough of a coach to warrant paying $10 MIL a year (he's making $7.5 right now with 5 more years left). There are several other coaches I'd give that too before him.

Tyson maybe, we will see how the season ends. But Arbuckle is not ready for the SEC. He couldn't move the offense against the last 2 descent PAC-12 defenses he's faced. 6 points against Arizona. No, he needs more seasoning.

If I'm dropping to G5, I'm looking closer at Traylor. He has won a lot at UTSA. Has had very very good offenses with different coordinators who have gone on from there to P5. Done a good job assembling his staffs. Shut down Kinne's offense this year. Stepped up in conference from CUSA this year and is 2-0 so far. Will see how the season ends for him but a winning record would put him high on the list.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I'm not going to a G5 HC with only a year and a half as a HC and 11-8 record In Rhett. I want to see a 9-10 win season out of him at that level. I do like Symons, think he may move up this year.

Honestly, if Dykes didn't hit out of the blue last year then he's not really as sought after. I think he may be a one hit wonder because he's never shown that type of coaching and recruiting ability before. We will see, he is a solid coach but is not nearly good enough of a coach to warrant paying $10 MIL a year (he's making $7.5 right now with 5 more years left). There are several other coaches I'd give that too before him.

Tyson maybe, we will see how the season ends. But Arbuckle is not ready for the SEC. He couldn't move the offense against the last 2 descent PAC-12 defenses he's faced. 6 points against Arizona. No, he needs more seasoning.

If I'm dropping to G5, I'm looking closer at Traylor. He has won a lot at UTSA. Has had very very good offenses with different coordinators who have gone on from there to P5. Done a good job assembling his staffs. Shut down Kinne's offense this year. Stepped up in conference from CUSA this year and is 2-0 so far. Will see how the season ends for him but a winning record would put him high on the list.

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Great points.
As much as I harp on the current staff, there probably is a fine line on deciding to keep what we have, but make changes in assistant coaches, get a good QB in portal, and keep some alumni feeling good to keep donating into the NIl...... V. make a brand new hire and keep NIL on board with everyone buying in on that coach.
I hope MSU wins, because we may be limited in what we can pull from the coaching pool this season.