No, what's best for us is a new staff. Only MSU fans would suggest that their record breaking QB that gave up money to keep our WR should be sent packing rather than asking what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
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No, what's best for us is a new staff. Only MSU fans would suggest that their record breaking QB that gave up money to keep our WR should be sent packing rather than asking what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Will Rogers isnt Jesus. He's not bigger than the program. How long are we going to let this system QB hold our football program hostage? He is a GREAT guy, and a hard worker, and a team 1st guy....and that is all extremely honorable. I respect the hell out of Will.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
BUT.....none of that guarantees you a starting QB job in the SEC. And sure as hell doesn't earn you the right of having a coaching staff in the SEC hand picked to cater to your talents that at best will be here 1 more year.
I agree Arnett and company are horrible, and unlikely to turn it around. But you Rogers/Air Raid guys have completely lost your minds on this issue. Wanting to find the second coming of Leach just so Will's dream can stay alive? Gotta admit, you're good family members to the kid.
Will is pretty good overall in the right scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I love how the RTDF people are always wanting us to adapt to our personnel. Except when it was involves passing more.
We need to find something in the middle. I loved watching us throw and catch the ball with Leach. The dump offs to the RB's was more about the QB than the coach. I believe Leach was working on running more and changing to a mobile QB. Unfortunately, we will never know. We need to make a change after this season but I actually like what I'm seeing from Barbay. Scheme works. Just need a mobile QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I guess you could call me an “air raid guy” that hopes for more designed runs to be folded into the scheme with a mobile QB. In an era where the NIL puts us that much further behind in talent the air raid helped us even the playing field some and mask those issues. It’s an easy system to scheme defensively against but a hard system for players to execute that scheme against (if that makes sense). I believe it gave us the best chance to win almost any game we played as it will be very f difficult for us to line up against most SEC teams now and play old school smash mouth football. It was working as evidence by the increasing win totals each year. But…I guess the purse holders (much like bad coaches) would rather us lose their way than win in a new way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Modified air raid, with H backs is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
That is truly a sad take. What earns him the right to start in the SEC is being the best QB on the Roster. Only shortsightedness would suggest that we do not hire a staff that knows the system that this vet team has been in.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Just a horrible take to suggest that it's loyalty to a player or a coach. This is about building on success and giving this year's team a fighting chance to win. This is about stating facts. The fact is he is the best we have. Like it or not. That's just your excuse.
I don?t think it was a horrible take. I agree that Will is the best QB on roster to run the Air Raid. Like it or not, the Air Raid got scuttled and is lying at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.
So we really don?t know who the best QB to run Barbary?s offense is because we haven?t seen enough of anyone else to know. To that end, you cannot know for sure if Will is the starter by default rather than by performance against live enemy fire.
To follow up, look what happened when Will tried to run the read option up the middle. Not only did it not work, he got injured. He is and will forever be a system QB. He is a stand and deliver guy. He needs highly intelligent, 2 to 3 year developed Olinemen and WR who understand open grass and not trying to out run or out maneuver DBs. We need a guy in this style O that can get creative when protection breaks down and WR who understand the scramble drill and find the open spot.
No, he's the best we have now. Are you suggesting that the staff is too incompetent to be the judge in practice? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Dude, he rushed 2 times vs Bama. One on a 3 and 11 (due to poor play calling) and he got the first down and it was up the middle. The 2nd was a rush for 15 yards on another behind the chains 2nd and 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
I believe there is a lot of incompetence on our football staffQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Well hell, you have been posting 1000's of times a day about the staff's incompetence. You would by far be the most inconsistent with this stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
the designed QB draw that he got 15 yards on was a really good playcall vs Bama's DQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
It was the calls that put us behind the chains that were horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Nah dude youre just wrong. And about to find out how wrong youve been because Will is probably doneQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I've heard it's the same injury another QB had here that played the 4th Q and OT of a game two weeks later.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Is the scenario where he's the emergency 3rd string QB and active, but we're sitting him out of caution available? That's what I've heard but also this feels more tight lipped and speculation.
I agree. That's why I like what Texas State does and their coach so much. His passing game is based off of the Leach Air Raid but is more vertical with some Briles type concepts. But the run game is based off of Chip Kelly and Gus Mahlzahn. And as you might imagine there is a lot of tempo. Along with mobile QB's.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
If our fans can't agree among those four coaches rolled into one I'm not sure if anything will make our fans happy.
The scheme isn't Barbay's problem. The problem is he meh as a play caller and he can't adapt it to our personnel like he said he could.
We should have never changed from the Air raid in my opinion. We don't have the athletes to run what we are trying to run now. The Air Raid gave us a chance to be competitive. On the other hand, when you have a porous and slow defense such as ours, you're not going to win much anyway.
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Originally Posted by Tater
No its not that
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Originally Posted by Tater
It sure looked like the type of landing that causes an AC Joint sprain. Its possible to shoot that up and play with it, if that is the problem.
IMO, Wright doesn't help us win any more than Will does at this point and it's neither of their faults. We are bad at too many spots. It seems silly to even argue at this point. Johnny Manziel couldn't win with what we have lol.
What are you gonna post about if you can't defend Will anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I guess he broke his collarbone.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Anybody got news on Parson?
As much as Will has played and been sacked I'm surprised he hasn't had an injury until now. Hope he makes it back this year.
Ill find something else to argue with you aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I am undecided but would like to ask you to name say three coaches you would have tried to hire? I also liked the air raid and believe long term Coach Leach would have been a success at MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
We typically agree on everything except WillQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Makes be think of one of my favorite of all time. Fran TarkentonQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
If a modified air raid helps us move the football better than Leach's version that DID NOT move the football well at all....I'm all for it. I don't care if we run, pass, or mix it up....I just want a better offense than Leach's or this crap we have right now. Most importantly, I want to win. Don't care what offense leads to the wins...just win.
One thing can't be argued though.....The one constant in both subpar offenses is the QB.
Three immediate thoughts about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
1. NIL and free transfer, no reason to ever redshirt someone.
2. Parson playing is better for our future.
3. They get 4 games to play, correct?
Here is the thing. I want an offense that make defenses have to constantly adjust. Nothing I have seen since the LSU game at the beginning of Leach's tenure has done this in any game. The drop 8 basically killed Leach's offense. Now, we are not forcing the other team to do anything extraordinary to shut us down. Our defense gets torched every time a LB is forced to cover or a safety is forced to cover a WR. We rarely have these advantages with our offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Now we agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Leach did not run a modified AR system. And no, our current is set on running more 12 than 10 personnel pulling 2 WRs off the field to play TEs that we do not have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
I know we are all good man I was just carrying onQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I didn't love leach's offense. But to say it didn't move the ball well at all is not true. We were middle of the league in offense despite being the least talented team in every league game we played. It was a mediocre offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Agree with everything else.
I just hope that Will can play the rest of the season. No rational MSU fan actually wanted him to get hurt, and I would think everyone realizes that he gives us the best chance to win games after watching Wright throw the ball this past weekend.
Has there been any final word? I've heard "he is playing against the Hogs" to "he is most likely done for the season". That is a massive range of possibilities.
Coaching staff doesnt want anything to get out before UPig. Make them have to prepare for bothQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I love everything about the Air Raid. I love the practice philosophy. I love the route combinations and play designs. I loved Leach?s play calling. I love how it de-emphasized the run game.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say