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10-02-2023, 10:36 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

What amazes me is how it seems like all of the sportscasters only have great things to say about WR. It's like they've only looked at the stat books and never watched a game.

Yeah.. God forbid they point out his records. That's horrible for MSU in recruiting! Do you watch games? Tell me about the awesomeness of the OL in this scheme.
10-02-2023, 10:37 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

It's the extremely shitty football that's driving it. We returned 14 starters I think. Expectations should've been higher. Amateur Hour is making things worse than it should be. But Mississippi State's good ole boy network doesn't give a shit. Their buddies are employed here and they get access to more. Arnett is well past lost. So much so he's lost control of himself even. It's ugly. We're one of the 10 worst FBS teams in America vs FBS teams.

Nobody on this earth can say it more clearly and correctly than this!
10-02-2023, 10:52 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

Also I know others posted recently about our chances in the remaining games and anyone thinking 5 wins is the floor for this team is very optimistic. I don't see another conference win anywhere on our schedule.

It's going to be 4-8. I can't see 6-6 or even 5-7 at this point. That Egg Bowl beat down will be legendary among the OM crowd. Lane will drop 60+ on this defense. Hell, we might be in a close game with USM. Selmon will have a decision to make in December. We are going to see what kind of AD we have.
10-02-2023, 10:56 AM
Biguglyjoe

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

It's going to be 4-8. I can't see 6-6 or even 5-7 at this point. That Egg Bowl beat down will be legendary among the OM crowd. Lane will drop 60+ on this defense. Hell, we might be in a close game with USM. Selmon will have a decision to make in December. We are going to see what kind of AD we have.

I don't have social media, so I'm asking a serious question. What has Selmon done of any great significance since he's been here? I hope it's a long list. I truly haven't heard much on that front.
10-02-2023, 10:57 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

It's the extremely shitty football that's driving it. We returned 14 starters I think.

We returned 11
10-02-2023, 10:58 AM
SpaceWranglerDawg

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Originally Posted by Biguglyjoe

I don't have social media, so I'm asking a serious question. What has Selmon done of any great significance since he's been here? I hope it's a long list. I truly haven't heard much on that front.

I know his daughter meatball did the worm before a game
10-02-2023, 10:59 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Biguglyjoe

What has Selmon done of any great significance since he's been here? I hope it's a long list. I truly haven't heard much on that front.

What exactly should he have done in 6 months besides fundraise, network, get his staff in place, and develop a relationship with the coaches of each sport?
10-02-2023, 11:10 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I don't disagree with the points.
As much grief as Lemo has gotten, the reality is that going into 2022 everyone knew we were thinner and that 2023 would be a rebuild year. Well, thin in '22 became a disaster when our top pitching was injured. That put even more pressure on a '23 team most expected to be a down season anyway. So, giving Lemo the chance to fix it is logical based on his first 3 seasons and his built up cred from a Natty. As you say - it is real cut and dry for Lemonis' fate.

Football is a different beast - but barring finding Arnett with a dead girl or a live boy, he will likely be back. The real issue to me is too many of our fans want a Cadillac, but they only want to pay for Chevy Citation. It makes keeping a roster intact hard, but also means you can't miss with guys you bring in via the portal. We can't afford to take players from the portal who need development. We missed on Goede, we missed on Spivey (though that wasn't our fault), we missed on Radar Jones, Jamari Brown, & Khamari Rogers, and Albert got hurt. We needed all of those bodies to contribute - and that lack of contribution at 3 positions of need (TE, S, CB) has hurt tremendously.

I went to Hail State stats and looked at all portal players we have this year. WR from E Washington has one catch. The portal guys for this year are a total whiff for this in over it's head staff. I have no confidense in them at any level or task. As you pointed out TE was 4th string from GA and yet to have a catch in his college career and a poor blocker to boot (that we also use a Freshman OL at TE is JoMo /Croom stubborn in an attempt to run this "Offense"). Only Special Teams are a success. If we finish 4-8, rebuild with an experienced, competent HC and staff. Most of this bunch is lost.
10-02-2023, 11:21 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Biguglyjoe

I don't have social media, so I'm asking a serious question. What has Selmon done of any great significance since he's been here? I hope it's a long list. I truly haven't heard much on that front.

Selmon has been doing a lot things behind the scenes. He has his sea legs now.

People gave him a Mulligan on Lemo. He doesn't get a Mulligan for this. Arnett was not his hire. He owes Zach nothing.

And if we do go 4-8 I fully expect a certain someone with ties to MSU and Selmon to be given serious consideration if he is interested in the job.

Whether you like him or not he will be on Selmon's short list.
10-02-2023, 11:21 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

I've always dated fat ugly girls. I will always date fat ugly girls.

No self esteem or confidence. Just give me Big Bertha and I'll be happy.

This thread in a nutshell.

Late, great Bon Scott and Rosie would approve this post. Hail, Hail Rock and Roll and Hail State!
10-02-2023, 11:21 AM
Matt3467

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Yeah.. God forbid they point out his records. That's horrible for MSU in recruiting! Do you watch games? Tell me about the awesomeness of the OL in this scheme.

It's not just records they talk about. It's his arm strength, accuracy, composure in the pocket, etc. Anyone that watches our games knows better which is why one of the more common comments on the board is about how any pressure on Will or causing him to run out of the pocket never has good results.
10-02-2023, 11:27 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I went to Hail State stats and looked at all portal players we have this year. WR from E Washington has one catch. The portal guys for this year are a total whiff for this in over it's head staff. I have no confidense in them at any level or task. As you pointed out TE was 4th string from GA and yet to have a catch in his college career and a poor blocker to boot (that we also use a Freshman OL at TE is JoMo /Croom stubborn in an attempt to run this "Offense"). Only Special Teams are a success. If we finish 4-8, rebuild with an experienced, competent HC and staff. Most of this bunch is lost.

We just burned 7 true freshmen red shirts. That's how smart this staff is.

RB Seth Davis, safety Isaac Smith, wide receiver Creed Whittemore, linebacker Zakari Tillman, tight end Malik Ellis, and specialists Kyle Ferrie and Keelan Crimmins.

Ellis is an OT that he is forcing into a TE roll just to able run this scheme.
10-02-2023, 11:30 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

It's not just records they talk about. It's his arm strength, accuracy, composure in the pocket, etc. Anyone that watches our games knows better which is why one of the more common comments on the board is about how any pressure on Will or causing him to run out of the pocket never has good results.

His arm strength? Yeah he didn't throw bombs against USC last weekend at all! He did not step up in the pocket and take a hit while throwing a TD either. He did not rush for a first down vs bama on 3rd and 11.

The fact is the scheme is the issue.
10-02-2023, 11:30 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Yeah.. God forbid they point out his records. That's horrible for MSU in recruiting! Do you watch games? Tell me about the awesomeness of the OL in this scheme.

Tommy Pharr and Dave Marlar (sp?) threw for a ton of yards for their day (don't remember how many and they are't remembered or discussed today) and we lost almost every game (and all old enough to have been there remember we were cellar dwellers). Only meaningful stat remembered through the ages is wins.
10-02-2023, 11:32 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Because he likes this staff and this offense.

I actually do too honestly. But I can also be honest about what him seeing from ZA. I have no real issue with Barbay other than the decision to not give Wright a chance to win the job on the field, which that may be a ZA decision.

We can like Barbay and his system, and still criticize him and the administration for making another 180 on offense.
10-02-2023, 11:33 AM
HancockCountyDog

I just don't believe we will pay out 9 million after roughly 11 months on the job.

I still think the season starts in 19 days when we play in Fayetteville. Arkansas fans are ready to fire Pittman. If they don't rally the troops and beat the bears this weekend, they will be on a 5 game-losing streak after going to Tuscaloosa.

There will not be a better time to play Arkansas. Then we get Auburn on the road, Kentucky at home and A&M on the road. We have to go at least 2-2 in that stretch. That is still extremely doable.

I think we will be favored against Arkansas and probably a pickem against AU and UK and probably a 7-10 point dog against A&M if they continue to play defense the way they have been.
10-02-2023, 11:38 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We just burned 7 true freshmen red shirts. That's how smart this staff is.

RB Seth Davis, safety Isaac Smith, wide receiver Creed Whittemore, linebacker Zakari Tillman, tight end Malik Ellis, and specialists Kyle Ferrie and Keelan Crimmins.

Ellis is an OT that he is forcing into a TE roll just to able run this scheme.

The forcing Ellis to TE is really aggravating. I agree with what Hack posted yesterday, that all this falls back on the administration and the coaching staff for forcing a 180 on offense immediately when we do not have the personnel, and the OL and QB really are best suited for AR due to talent.
10-02-2023, 11:40 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

It's going to be 4-8. I can't see 6-6 or even 5-7 at this point. That Egg Bowl beat down will be legendary among the OM crowd. Lane will drop 60+ on this defense. Hell, we might be in a close game with USM. Selmon will have a decision to make in December. We are going to see what kind of AD we have.

Croom after the 45-0 beatdown where 3 of our QB's were brutalized, "Well, I didn't see that coming". Well, as the teaser thread often posted here and on the Pack says, "It's Coming" with this staff unless they learn to coach asap to at least give us a puncher's chance (powderpuff results on O and D to date), in any of the remaining SEC games. It's Croom/Woody/Sermon bad and very hard to watch.
10-02-2023, 11:42 AM
vindastra

People that couldn't run to this board to create "Breaking... Hot news... You heard it first" threads are the happiest now.

Never mind the big steaming pile of shit that is our team.
10-02-2023, 11:43 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We just burned 7 true freshmen red shirts. That's how smart this staff is.

RB Seth Davis, safety Isaac Smith, wide receiver Creed Whittemore, linebacker Zakari Tillman, tight end Malik Ellis, and specialists Kyle Ferrie and Keelan Crimmins.

Ellis is an OT that he is forcing into a TE roll just to able run this scheme.

"Able to run this scheme" is a real stretch!*****
10-02-2023, 11:43 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We just burned 7 true freshmen red shirts. That's how smart this staff is.

RB Seth Davis, safety Isaac Smith, wide receiver Creed Whittemore, linebacker Zakari Tillman, tight end Malik Ellis, and specialists Kyle Ferrie and Keelan Crimmins.

Ellis is an OT that he is forcing into a TE roll just to able run this scheme.

So, 2 are ST guys. The other five minus Ellis, should be playing.
10-02-2023, 11:45 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I just don't believe we will pay out 9 million after roughly 11 months on the job.

I still think the season starts in 19 days when we play in Fayetteville. Arkansas fans are ready to fire Pittman. If they don't rally the troops and beat the bears this weekend, they will be on a 5 game-losing streak after going to Tuscaloosa.

There will not be a better time to play Arkansas. Then we get Auburn on the road, Kentucky at home and A&M on the road. We have to go at least 2-2 in that stretch. That is still extremely doable.

I think we will be favored against Arkansas and probably a pickem against AU and UK and probably a 7-10 point dog against A&M if they continue to play defense the way they have been.

We won't because it's not $9MM. It's less. Probably closer to $7MM and that's what we should be paying for a good damn coach anyway. But we are Mississippi State, so you're probably right.
10-02-2023, 11:48 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

So, 2 are ST guys. The other five minus Ellis, should be playing.

I agree with some of them. The Kicker. etc.

Not Ellis and not Smith.
10-02-2023, 11:49 AM
HancockCountyDog

At this point, we need freshman playing so that they can be ready for next year.

Ellis is not an SEC OT. At least not now and not next year.

I think Whttemore, Tillman, Davis and Smith should be playing more. We will need them next year.
10-02-2023, 11:51 AM
SpaceWranglerDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We won't because it's not $9MM. It's less. Probably closer to $7MM and that's what we should be paying for a good damn coach anyway. But we are Mississippi State, so you're probably right.

Bookmark these topics...we can just pick back up next year where we leave off this year. He will be back. He ain't going anywhere.
10-02-2023, 11:54 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I just don't believe we will pay out 9 million after roughly 11 months on the job.

I still think the season starts in 19 days when we play in Fayetteville. Arkansas fans are ready to fire Pittman. If they don't rally the troops and beat the bears this weekend, they will be on a 5 game-losing streak after going to Tuscaloosa.

There will not be a better time to play Arkansas. Then we get Auburn on the road, Kentucky at home and A&M on the road. We have to go at least 2-2 in that stretch. That is still extremely doable.

I think we will be favored against Arkansas and probably a pickem against AU and UK and probably a 7-10 point dog against A&M if they continue to play defense the way they have been.

Beat some of these teams? Have you watched our D and read the stats we are giving up in pass% and yards? Add in virtually no pressure/sacks on QB, but LB's lead the league in tackles made 6 to 8 yards downfield ( stats we love kind of like WR short pass completions*). This along with around hole/square peg Offense and an incompetent staff give me little hope of an SEC win. BTW I was for the hire at the time and predicted 7 win floor and 9 win ceiling. Looks like 4 floor and 5 ceiling now with an SEC upset that might cost Pittman his job. What a lack on ROI for a pitiful 2023 season and beyond if this comes to pass. H*ll State? We are better than this!
10-02-2023, 11:59 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

I agree with some of them. The Kicker. etc.

Not Ellis and not Smith.

Issac was always playing as a true freshman. He was good enough to make the 2 deep and didn't want to redshirt.
10-02-2023, 12:01 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

At this point, we need freshman playing so that they can be ready for next year.

Ellis is not an SEC OT. At least not now and not next year.

I think Whttemore, Tillman, Davis and Smith should be playing more. We will need them next year.

If you don't think other team$ will be going after any young talent (or the few talented vets remaining), we have if we go 4-8 with this rookie coaching disaster into a big rebuilding and possible bad record 2024 again, I don't know what to say. This looks like Croom or JoMo and waiting another year if we finish 4-8 will make little difference and apathy, which has already begun at home games will grow quickly.
10-02-2023, 12:02 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Beat some of these teams? Have you watched our D and read the stats we are giving up in pass% and yards? Add in virtually no pressure/sacks on QB, but LB's lead the league in tackles made 6 to 8 yards downfield ( stats we love kind of like WR short pass completions). This along with around hole/square peg Offense and an incompetent staff give me little hope of an SEC win. BTW I was for the hire at the time and predicted 7 win floor and 9 win ceiling. Looks like 4 floor and 5 ceiling now with an SEC upset that might cost Pittman his job. What a lack on ROI for a pitiful 2023 season and beyond if this comes to pass. H*ll State? We are better than this!

I'm not saying we are a good team. We are not, but neither is Upig or AU. A&M has flaws. Hell right now, Kentucky may be the best of the bunch, but we get them at home and we seem to always find a way to beat UK at home.

Look, as bad as we have looked, this past saturday should have been a 10 point game. Instead the pick 6 and pick right before the half were just killers.

I've been a Will defender on here and even I can't defend his play this past Saturday. He killed us. This offense just isn't for him. We are still running read option plays with him. Makes zero sense.

We are clearly going to run this offense and Will doesn't fit it and we need to make a change. It should happen this weekend. We should put Mike in, play him a bunch and then use the bye week to get him more reps with the starters. IT gives us the best chance the rest of the season. If I was a fan of another SEC school, the last thing I would want to happen is for MSU to make a QB switch.
10-02-2023, 12:03 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

At this point, we need freshman playing so that they can be ready for next year.

Ellis is not an SEC OT. At least not now and not next year.

I think Whttemore, Tillman, Davis and Smith should be playing more. We will need them next year.

I certainly hope we redshirt Ellis next year.
10-02-2023, 12:04 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Beat some of these teams? Have you watched our D and read the stats we are giving up in pass% and yards? Add in virtually no pressure/sacks on QB, but LB's lead the league in tackles made 6 to 8 yards downfield ( stats we love kind of like WR short pass completions*). This along with around hole/square peg Offense and an incompetent staff give me little hope of an SEC win. BTW I was for the hire at the time and predicted 7 win floor and 9 win ceiling. Looks like 4 floor and 5 ceiling now with an SEC upset that might cost Pittman his job. What a lack on ROI for a pitiful 2023 season and beyond if this comes to pass. H*ll State? We are better than this!

We are 5th in the league in sacks per game in conference games. We are getting home fine but we don't pressure well enough overall.
10-02-2023, 12:08 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I'm not saying we are a good team. We are not, but neither is Upig or AU. A&M has flaws. Hell right now, Kentucky may be the best of the bunch, but we get them at home and we seem to always find a way to beat UK at home.

Look, as bad as we have looked, this past saturday should have been a 10 point game. Instead the pick 6 and pick right before the half were just killers.

I've been a Will defender on here and even I can't defend his play this past Saturday. He killed us. This offense just isn't for him. We are still running read option plays with him. Makes zero sense.

We are clearly going to run this offense and Will doesn't fit it and we need to make a change. It should happen this weekend. We should put Mike in, play him a bunch and then use the bye week to get him more reps with the starters. IT gives us the best chance the rest of the season. If I was a fan of another SEC school, the last thing I would want to happen is for MSU to make a QB switch.

And this offensive line isn't for this system either. Nor is the TE room.
10-02-2023, 12:18 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

And this offensive line isn't for this system either. Nor is the TE room.

BS. OL is getting better and better. Our TB's went for 6 ypc vs Bama. That's strong and shows their improvement
10-02-2023, 12:20 PM
sandjunky

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We won't because it's not $9MM. It's less. Probably closer to $7MM and that's what we should be paying for a good damn coach anyway. But we are Mississippi State, so you're probably right.

Mississippi State University - The Dollar General of the SEC
10-02-2023, 12:25 PM
Matt3467

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

His arm strength? Yeah he didn't throw bombs against USC last weekend at all! He did not step up in the pocket and take a hit while throwing a TD either. He did not rush for a first down vs bama on 3rd and 11.

The fact is the scheme is the issue.

So what you're saying besides scheme is he has good arm strength, good pocket presence and mobility?
10-02-2023, 12:34 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I'm not saying we are a good team. We are not, but neither is Upig or AU. A&M has flaws. Hell right now, Kentucky may be the best of the bunch, but we get them at home and we seem to always find a way to beat UK at home.

Look, as bad as we have looked, this past saturday should have been a 10 point game. Instead the pick 6 and pick right before the half were just killers.

I've been a Will defender on here and even I can't defend his play this past Saturday. He killed us. This offense just isn't for him. We are still running read option plays with him. Makes zero sense.

We are clearly going to run this offense and Will doesn't fit it and we need to make a change. It should happen this weekend. We should put Mike in, play him a bunch and then use the bye week to get him more reps with the starters. IT gives us the best chance the rest of the season. If I was a fan of another SEC school, the last thing I would want to happen is for MSU to make a QB switch.

Agree with giving Wright many reps this Saturday and bad fit of WR in this O. There is another elephant in the room. Every SEC team left on on schedule sees us as a win and a chance to correct their issues ala probably even Arky at that time. Another win over aTm might even cost Jimbo his job (Buyout down to a measly $77 mil). Will be tough to beat the Rev at AU although they have their own issues. KY looks like the real deal to date. OM's O will destroy our back 7 or 8. I just can't see a SEC win at this point, barring a gigantic change from the staff & players.
10-02-2023, 12:58 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

andddddddd there we go. Between this and the Airbone Cult- this is what is driving most of the angst

You think people are angry because they bet the season total and will lose? You think that's a driving force of the anger? Dude. People are angry because we suck. 99% of us didn't bet the season win total.
10-02-2023, 12:59 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You think people are angry because they bet the season total and will lose? You think that's a driving force of the anger? Dude. People are angry because we suck. 99% of us didn't bet the season win total.

To quote the Maroon faced dude on the Dr. Pepper commercials: "I bought into the preseason hype...AGAIN!"
10-02-2023, 01:10 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

His arm strength? Yeah he didn't throw bombs against USC last weekend at all! He did not step up in the pocket and take a hit while throwing a TD either. He did not rush for a first down vs bama on 3rd and 11.

The fact is the scheme is the issue.

He has the weakest arm in the conference. He has positive attributes, but arm strength is not one of them.
10-02-2023, 01:41 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Our FPI ranking is currently #45. In the last decade, we've only been worse than that twice. (And only barely - #51 in 2016 and #52 in 2020.) There's still time for it to get better, but also time for it to get worse. We are clearly in worse shape than we all expected to be, and that's a huge red flag.

Interesting. I will say 16 was a strange year. We screwed with QB against USA and lost due to not playing the right guy - Fitz. At the end of 16, we were doing OK. Hammer OM with Fitz and Atrain. That D was terrible but it wasn't talent. We had some dudes on that team although some of it still young - 17 and 18 proved that out. I don't think we are as good on O or D as 16 right now but we can still find a few wins to make 6, I'll take that right now.

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