On WRs not being where they should be

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Year one, there shouldn't be option routes in year one. Will should make the call at the line which way they are to go, based on alignment and signal to hte WRs. Ball snapped, WR run a crisp route, complete passes.

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Do what? Yes there should be option routes based on what the d is in. This isn't jr high

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

It's not hard to implement 10 plays. Not knocking it. But it's super simple.

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More than ten, but yes. And the focus was to get those plays down to a science. We agree.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Being hired by 5 schools that also either fired him or the staff does not make him good.

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So when uga ut auburn sc and us all hire him. He sucks??? They watch film. They see what the line does. You're reaching bro.

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Originally Posted by KB21

https://americaswargame.substack.com...p-on-offensive

This is an article that was written by Ian Boyd, who is very good. It's an interview he did with Dave Aranda at Baylor. I would like to see someone do this with Zach Arnett. I'd like to know if Zach went into the coordinator search to hire a coach that is going to run the wide zone scheme and what his reasons for that decision were. Dave Aranda gives very detailed reasoning on why he specifically targeted Jeff Grimes to be his offensive coordinator. He basically said that in his first year, he tried to run what they ran at LSU in 2019, but he realized that he couldn't run that scheme at Baylor. So, he looked at the wide zone as a way to combat the style of defenses that are in the Big 12. Most of the teams in the Big 12 run a version of the 3-3-5 flyover scheme made popular by Iowa State. He felt the wide zone was a way that he could attack that scheme and run the ball when there was a talent gap between his team and the opponents.

Dave Aranda is a coach that I consider to be highly intelligent. He's not your typical defensive minded meathead of a coach who just wants to run the ball and play field position. I mean, he basically said that the two hardest things to do in college football are to run the inside zone and have a legit drop back passing game.

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He’s also about to have his 3rd losing season in 4 years, just lost to Texas State, and probably about to get fired in 2 months more than likely.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

3 years of looking at a drop 8 zone and "throwing to space" vs man to man with roaming safeties, LBs that can blitz or drop, and occasional zones looks. It's certainly a big change.

Should have modified the air raid. Add some running plays to try to break the drop 8zone but keep all QB/WR stuff as similar as possible. OR- keep everything the same but Portal in a mobile QB. Spencer Sanders is rotting on the bench at OM- his numbers dipped in '22 because their OL got worse but in the 3 years as a starter before that he was a 62.5% passer and rushed for over 500 yards a season. He'd be hell in the air raid if he could pick up the "throw to space" thing.

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Weve been seeing man free for about 2 years now because our WRs cant separate. Just because you are straight line fast doesnt mean you can get open. We have not had a consistent X/Z since Polk. Our best WRs are returners right now. Its been a problem for a pretty good while

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I'm not arguing that our OL has been good. It's been bad. I, unlike kb and Bucky, and can call it like it is.

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Im confused?

Just in case anyone was wondering about the locker room, Justin Robinson’s dad just posted on Genespage that if Will Rogers starts Saturday that Arnett is going to lose the locker room.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Just in case anyone was wondering about the locker room, Justin Robinson’s dad just posted on Genespage that if Will Rogers starts Saturday that Arnett is going to lose the locker room.

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Got a link to that or what the title of the thread is?

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Just in case anyone was wondering about the locker room, Justin Robinson’s dad just posted on Genespage that if Will Rogers starts Saturday that Arnett is going to lose the locker room.

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You got receipts? That is a hard push to just put out there.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

You got receipts? That is a hard push to just put out there.

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I don’t know how to attach the file because I’m a damn idiot, but is in “Practice Today” thread and his name is Southbend76

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Originally Posted by Jarius

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And that was shot down by the Mods.

I'm not surprised. They are probably tired of that same disappointing helmet snap and trot off the field after another 3 and out.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

And that was shot down by the Mods.

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Well of course it was. They are going to tote water. That’s their only way to get the kind of access they get. Robinson’s dad is at every single scrimmage and gave scrimmage reports when those mods couldn’t even go watch. He knows more about that team than anyone on that board.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Well of course it was. They are going to tote water. That’s their only way to get the kind of access they get. Robinson’s dad is at every single scrimmage and gave scrimmage reports when those mods couldn’t even go watch. He knows more about that team than anyone on that board.

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Per practice reports this week, Rogers is taking the first string snaps. He's taking the majority of those snaps. Rogers is going to start.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Per practice reports this week, Rogers is taking the first string snaps. He's taking the majority of those snaps. Rogers is going to start.

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I don’t think anyone suggested otherwise. I do believe he better play well or get yanked very quickly if he doesn’t play well or he will lose the locker room. If he doesn’t play well or get yanked for not playing well, I certainly hope the locker room stays together but it doesn’t sound promising.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

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I don’t know how to attach the file because I’m a damn idiot, but is in “Practice Today” thread and his name is Southbend76

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I’ll take your word for it. I cannot find the article. That’s very interesting, you know Rogers has to be aware of this coup d’?tat. I wonder how that is helping his non gunslinger mentality.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

I’ll take your word for it. I cannot find the article. That’s very interesting, you know Rogers has to be aware of this coup d’?tat. I wonder how that is helping his non gunslinger mentality.

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It’s not an article. It’s a thread on the message board over there. I am a big Will Rogers critic as a player (not a person), but I certainly don’t want the locker room to fall apart even if we go 4-8. That’s just not good ever.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I don’t think anyone suggested otherwise. I do believe he better play well or get yanked very quickly if he doesn’t play well or he will lose the locker room. If he doesn’t play well or get yanked for not playing well, I certainly hope the locker room stays together but it doesn’t sound promising.

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Says who? one person?

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It’s not an article. It’s a thread on the message board over there. I am a big Will Rogers critic as a player (not a person), but I certainly don’t want the locker room to fall apart even if we go 4-8. That’s just not good ever.

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O we agree! If the locker room falls 4-8 is that things on our worry list.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Just in case anyone was wondering about the locker room, Justin Robinson’s dad just posted on Genespage that if Will Rogers starts Saturday that Arnett is going to lose the locker room.

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I know a lot of parents are upset and rightfully so. When I see us running one WR past the first down marker blaming Will might be a little misplaced IMO.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I know a lot of parents are upset and rightfully so. When I see us running one WR past the first down marker blaming Will might be a little misplaced IMO.

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I hope it happens, simply because I'm curious as to what all the Mike Wright nut huggers are going to say when his passes are far less accurate than Will's have been. Will's accuracy issues this year has more to do with him not being on the same page as his receivers than anything else. Mike Wright simply isn't and never will be an accurate passer.

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Originally Posted by KB21

I hope it happens, simply because I'm curious as to what all the Mike Wright nut huggers are going to say when his passes are far less accurate than Will's have been. Will's accuracy issues this year has more to do with him not being on the same page as his receivers than anything else. Mike Wright simply isn't and never will be an accurate passer.

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I don't think even the most staunch Wright supporters are going to argue that. Most of us clamoring for Wright to start...our main argument is that we're going to give up 5-10% in the completion percentage department, but his mobility versus Will's will outweigh that loss in accuracy

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Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely

I don't think even the most staunch Wright supporters are going to argue that. Most of us clamoring for Wright to start...our main argument is that we're going to give up 5-10% in the completion percentage department, but his mobility versus Will's will outweigh that loss in accuracy

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So, running the ball 90% of the time with Wright in the game is better than seeing if Rogers will get on the same page with his receivers?

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, running the ball 90% of the time with Wright in the game is better than seeing if Rogers will get on the same page with his receivers?

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In a rare instance I agree. If this team is going to maximize their potential, Rogers has to play and play much better. Our line has to get better( no matter the QB) and our wr need to get on same page. If wright is the QB we will be looking at an 8 man box every play and we will run it 85% of the time. That is not a recipe for success.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

In a rare instance I agree. If this team is going to maximize their potential, Rogers has to play and play much better. Our line has to get better( no matter the QB) and our wr need to get on same page. If wright is the QB we will be looking at an 8 man box every play and we will run it 85% of the time. That is not a recipe for success.

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It's not just Rogers. It's the OL and the WRs running routes to the wrong spots.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

It's not just Rogers. It's the OL and the WRs running routes to the wrong spots.

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Did you even read what I said???? Clearly not.

After watching Matt Wyatt break it down. Will isn't really to blame other than him being a slow runner. OL blocking was horrible and receivers not running right routes.

We need quick hitting plays on offense because there's no time to wait for a big play to develop.

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, running the ball 90% of the time with Wright in the game is better than seeing if Rogers will get on the same page with his receivers?

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See, this is why you annoy the hell out of people... "90%" is completely unrealistic and the example a 10-year-old would use when he's trying to "prove his point"...60-65% (on the high-end)...yes it would be better

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

In a rare instance I agree. If this team is going to maximize their potential, Rogers has to play and play much better. Our line has to get better( no matter the QB) and our wr need to get on same page. If wright is the QB we will be looking at an 8 man box every play and we will run it 85% of the time. That is not a recipe for success.

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If our coaches put their heads in the sand then yes. But if they actually build a game plan around Wright’s strengths then we could better pretty dangerous. The issue there is if they can build that game plan than why not build one that suits Rogers better than this current plan.

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Originally Posted by KB21

I hope it happens, simply because I'm curious as to what all the Mike Wright nut huggers are going to say when his passes are far less accurate than Will's have been. Will's accuracy issues this year has more to do with him not being on the same page as his receivers than anything else. Mike Wright simply isn't and never will be an accurate passer.

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I agree with others that have said it's not going to make much of a difference really because our o-line can't block well and changing isn't going to get our receivers on the same page. Odds are the scramble/rushing trade off for Will's accuracy is going to be very minimal at best.

Mike Wright isn't Johnny Manziel. Barbay doesn't seem to know what to do with Wright anyway. He has him mostly handing off and he's only thrown one pass. His useage is like most things with Barbay has been head scratching.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

If our coaches put their heads in the sand then yes. But if they actually build a game plan around Wright’s strengths then we could better pretty dangerous. The issue there is if they can build that game plan than why not build one that suits Rogers better than this current plan.

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Wright at QB could open up Tulu in the slot. An extra hat in the box to account for Wright running. If Mike can hit an open Tulu on a slant, it's off to the races. Will needs quick throws for 5 or 6 yards. The OL can't give him enough time for slow developing plays. Let Will feast on the short passing game and let Marks make some solid runs. Then as the game progresses let Will try for some deeper throws.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Wright at QB could open up Tulu in the slot. An extra hat in the box to account for Wright running. If Mike can hit an open Tulu on a slant, it's off to the races. Will needs quick throws for 5 or 6 yards. The OL can't give him enough time for slow developing plays. Let Will feast on the short passing game and
let Marks make some solid runs. Then as the game progresses let Will try for some deeper throws.

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Agreed! It doesn’t seem like rocket science. Hopefully it isn’t and the coaches see this as well.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Wright at QB could open up Tulu in the slot. An extra hat in the box to account for Wright running. If Mike can hit an open Tulu on a slant, it's off to the races. Will needs quick throws for 5 or 6 yards. The OL can't give him enough time for slow developing plays. Let Will feast on the short passing game and let Marks make some solid runs. Then as the game progresses let Will try for some deeper throws.

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LOL! Mike can't even throw accurately enough to consistently do that.

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Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely

See, this is why you annoy the hell out of people... "90%" is completely unrealistic and the example a 10-year-old would use when he's trying to "prove his point"...60-65% (on the high-end)...yes it would be better

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No it would not... and btw... we ran it 70% against AZ.

Wright is not the answer because the OL in this scheme can not block. No matter who you put back there, the slow developing passing routes would keep what QB you have back there on his back.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No it would not... and btw... we ran it 70% against AZ.

Wright is not the answer because the OL in this scheme can not block. No matter who you put back there, the slow developing passing routes would keep what QB you have back there on his back.

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Take a wild guess on who the QB in the NFL is that takes a sack on the highest percentage of his drop back attempts is.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Wright at QB could open up Tulu in the slot. An extra hat in the box to account for Wright running. If Mike can hit an open Tulu on a slant, it's off to the races. Will needs quick throws for 5 or 6 yards. The OL can't give him enough time for slow developing plays. Let Will feast on the short passing game and let Marks make some solid runs. Then as the game progresses let Will try for some deeper throws.

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Nobody is going to put an extras hat "in there" just for Wright. It's not opening anything up because that's not the issue. The issue is clearly explained by Pate, Wyatt...etc. This OL can not block in this scheme. They are clueless.

We are friggin playing a OT at TE. About to burn his redshirt. Does that make any sense yo you? Any at all? That's not his position and he isn't going out for a pass and he isn;t blocking.

So why the HELL would you keep doing that as a STAFF!

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Originally Posted by KB21

Take a wild guess on who the QB in the NFL is that takes a sack on the highest percentage of his drop back attempts is.

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No idea.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No idea.

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Justin Fields, maybe the most mobile QB in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Nobody is going to put an extras hat "in there" just for Wright. It's not opening anything up because that's not the issue. The issue is clearly explained by Pate, Wyatt...etc. This OL can not block in this scheme. They are clueless.

We are friggin playing a OT at TE. About to burn his redshirt. Does that make any sense yo you? Any at all? That's not his position and he isn't going out for a pass and he isn;t blocking.

So why the HELL would you keep doing that as a STAFF!

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Maybe Lemonis is acting in an advisory role in offense, passing (pitching) & defense this year.*****