One thing about the OL coach debate

So, what exactly was Peterson?s issue with Mike Leach? Does he have the same mindset as the typical MSU fan in believing that the only way you can win at Mississippi State is by being a run heavy team?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KB21

A lot of issues would have been solved by just offering the coordinator spot to Chris Hatcher and keeping the offensive staff mostly intact. Having that experienced head coach on staff and maintaining the continuity would have had a major impact.

---

Hatcher didn't want to give up his HC position

What I want to know is whether they made a concerted effort to keep the Air Raid offense, because there are a lot of AR coaches they could have talked to.

I know Zach Kittley will not leave TT unless it?s for a head job. Why didn?t they talk to Ben Arbuckle, who is the next Kittley and a rising star? What happened with Seth Littrell?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

So let me get this straight. Brad Peterson told Arnett to not run the Air Raid? Why didn't Arnett say "uh thanks for the advice but I'm the head coach and by the way we have no right ends on the roster"?

---

I was going to say the exact same thing. Who knew Brad "deep state" Peterson was the mastermind all along? LOL.

And even if he did make statements to people around the state about the future offense, any rational person would have thought to themselves, "Dude, thanks for the insight, but you are an administrator."

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000626275469

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

I was going to say the exact same thing. Who knew Brad "deep state" Peterson was the mastermind all along? LOL.

And even if he did say that, any rational person would have said, "Dude, thanks for the insight, but you are an administrator."

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000626275469

---

Arnett values Brad a lot. They are always together, even away from the complex. They are always together at the complex. Brad is his right hand.

And im not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. This offense can work in time with the right personnel. Im just explaining why arnett would listen to Brad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Because he was pretty vulnerable at the time and im sure was looking for any kind of guidance and support he could get from his staff

---

Then Arnett is in over his head and not ready to be a head coach.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by confucius say

Arnett values Brad a lot. They are always together, even away from the complex. They are always together at the complex. Brad is his right hand.

And im not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. This offense can work in time with the right personnel. Im just explaining why arnett would listen to Brad.

---

I'm saying why would anyone else around the state (not CZA) be upset about an administrator being wrong about future decisions about X's and O's.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

Then Arnett is in over his head and not ready to be a head coach.

---

There's no question about that. He wasn't ready for this and our President stuck him in there. People can say what they want about timing, and both sides of that argument have points. Bottom line is we had no plan and we panicked.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

I'm saying why would anyone else around the state (not CZA) be upset about an administrator being wrong about future decisions about X's and O's.

---

I don't think anybody would in a vacuum. Assuming it's true, I think people would be upset with arnett for talking the advice.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Bottom line is we had no plan and we panicked.

---

We didn't have a contingency in the event the HC suddenly, and unexpectedly, dropped dead? Well, we deserve what we got and anyone around the state who was misled has a right to be angry.*

If people are angry about plans that were made at that time not working out as intended, then I just don't know what to tell them other than, shit happens.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

I'm saying why would anyone else around the state (not CZA) be upset about an administrator being wrong about future decisions about X's and O's.

---

That part makes sense to me. If they're telling recruits that we're going to keep running a version of the Air Raid and then it turns out to be Neanderball then if you're a wide receiver who made a decision to attend MSU in part because of the offensive scheme you were told by the staff and you can't even rotate into the game- I can understand them being upset about that along with their parents. Or a QB recruit.

That's being misled and that's me putting it in a nice way.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

We didn't have a contingency in the event the HC suddenly, and unexpectedly, dropped dead? Well, we deserve what we got.

---

Not having an AD was a huge issue too.

Sounds to me like boosters took advantage of the situation and put their friends in place.

They should have gotten an AD. Done a national search. End of story.

Sure we might have lost recruits but now if this continues they're going to probably leave anyway. And with the portal it's a lot easier to rebuild even if the class fell apart. So what was the point again?

Sorry, the written word can be lacking in tone and inflection. Should have added *******


Here's the last thing Ill say about it.

Y'all make it sound like Peterson was sitting in his office (rubbing his hands together like a cartoon villain) with a plot to tell everyone we aren't changing philosophy. We didn't even have a OC candidate list. So, even if the plan was to stay air raid, there was no way to know for certain that it would work out that way.

I understand if people are not happy with what we have, but to imply that it was an intentional attempt at misleading players/coaches/parents is just pot-stirring and not accurate.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Sorry, the written word can be lacking in tone and inflection. Should have added *******


Here's the last thing Ill say about it.

Y'all make it sound like Peterson was sitting in his office (rubbing his hands together like a cartoon villain) with a plot to tell everyone we aren't changing philosophy. We didn't even have a OC candidate list. So, even if the plan was to stay air raid, there was no way to know for certain that it would work out that way.

I understand if people are not happy with what we have, but to imply that it was an intentional attempt at misleading players/coaches/parents is just pot-stirring and not accurate.

---

One person said one thing and one person nixed that. Arnett and the staff is going to pay the price for decisions they let others make for them instead of doing what they said. Arnett isn't who we thought he was.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Sorry, the written word can be lacking in tone and inflection. Should have added *******


Here's the last thing Ill say about it.

Y'all make it sound like Peterson was sitting in his office (rubbing his hands together like a cartoon villain) with a plot to tell everyone we aren't changing philosophy. We didn't even have a OC candidate list. So, even if the plan was to stay air raid, there was no way to know for certain that it would work out that way.

I understand if people are not happy with what we have, but to imply that it was an intentional attempt at misleading players/coaches/parents is just pot-stirring and not accurate.

---

Well they absolutely mislead players and parents. That is 100 percent fact

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KB21

So, what exactly was Peterson?s issue with Mike Leach? Does he have the same mindset as the typical MSU fan in believing that the only way you can win at Mississippi State is by being a run heavy team?

---

Coach P is about as anti air raid as you can get for one, when Leach came in Brad left. There is definitely an axe to grind. Peterson hired this staff. Arnett had to sign off but it was basically a figure head type deal. The bottom line is, we put egos and personal preferences over what our kids could do. We lied to some

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KB21

A lot of issues would have been solved by just offering the coordinator spot to Chris Hatcher and keeping the offensive staff mostly intact. Having that experienced head coach on staff and maintaining the continuity would have had a major impact.

---

Can?t disagree with this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Sorry, the written word can be lacking in tone and inflection. Should have added *******


Here's the last thing Ill say about it.

Y'all make it sound like Peterson was sitting in his office (rubbing his hands together like a cartoon villain) with a plot to tell everyone we aren't changing philosophy. We didn't even have a OC candidate list. So, even if the plan was to stay air raid, there was no way to know for certain that it would work out that way.

I understand if people are not happy with what we have, but to imply that it was an intentional attempt at misleading players/coaches/parents is just pot-stirring and not accurate.

---

Sir, he had the AR installed with a capable staff on the sideline. He did not hesitate to put an unproven Brook in at DC. He told the world we were keeping the AR. Don't say it if you don't mean it.

So yep... straight lied!

I mean... this is what these kids learned for 3 years and it is a vet team.


Continuity? Keep the same staff. Go in and say "we all have 1 year to prove that we can improve".

Wasn't that hard to do

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

I mean... this is what these kids learned for 3 years and it is a vet team.


Continuity? Keep the same staff. Go in and say "we all have 1 year to prove that we can improve".

Wasn't that hard to do

---

The worst part of all this, continuity was the excuse for Arnett getting hired. Well there has yet to be continuity except on the defensive staff kind of. Otherwise, it's nothing like the past.

BSD I know you and I got into debates about the Leach AR and it's issues/successes, but I never in a million years thought this would be the result.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CoachT14

The worst part of all this, continuity was the excuse for Arnett getting hired. Well there has yet to be continuity except on the defensive staff kind of. Otherwise, it's nothing like the past.

BSD I know you and I got into debates about the Leach AR and it's issues/successes, but I never in a million years thought this would be the result.

---

Well, I prefer AR with TEs and more run.

This is really coaching. I saw it stated that Colorado hired a new HC and the HC hired a New OC who had his people come in with him. The HC then dismissed over 70 players and got 86 new guys in. Their Offense is clean and producing. 86 guys tht had not been in that system and never played together. Yet we have a vet team and our OL can not block. We have people pulling in the wrong direction. I mean that's JR high level issues.

All of us did not think we would get this again.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Sir, he had the AR installed with a capable staff on the sideline. He did not hesitate to put an unproven Brook in at DC. He told the world we were keeping the AR. Don't say it if you don't mean it.

So yep... straight lied!

---

The only promise I recall regarding play-calling was when we went to ATL, because Marks had left, and guaranteed him we were running the ball.

What is the purpose in lying to a bunch of one-trick ponies to get them to stay in a system you know they can't execute? I'm gonna lie to keep players for a system I know they can't perform in? No. Did we tell Locke, Robertson, etc. we were staying AR?

Also, saying something that turns out not to be true is not the same thing as lying. This whole thing is a steaming pile of dogshit, but don't say people are running around lying just because something they may have said turned out not to be true. If we were 3-0 averaging 40 ppg no one would give a crap.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Coach P is about as anti air raid as you can get for one, when Leach came in Brad left. There is definitely an axe to grind. Peterson hired this staff. Arnett had to sign off but it was basically a figure head type deal. The bottom line is, we put egos and personal preferences over what our kids could do. We lied to some

---

I'm curious as to how Brad Peterson got to the point where he could have this much power over Mississippi State football.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Coach P is about as anti air raid as you can get for one, when Leach came in Brad left. There is definitely an axe to grind. Peterson hired this staff. Arnett had to sign off but it was basically a figure head type deal. The bottom line is, we put egos and personal preferences over what our kids could do. We lied to some

---

I hate being a Mississippi State fan sometimes. The above paragraph is why.

We continuously shoot ourselves in the foot. And this is literally the second time we have done this in a five year span! Unbelievable!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KB21

I'm curious as to how Brad Peterson got to the point where he could have this much power over Mississippi State football.

---

He knows the right people. Same as anything else.

The real question is why does Arnett trust him so much?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

I hate being a Mississippi State fan sometimes. The above paragraph is why.

We continuously shoot ourselves in the foot. And this is literally the second time we have done this in a five year span! Unbelievable!

---

....and the sad thing is, we lucked up and backed into hiring Mike Leach. It's a frightening thought to know that if the NY Giants hadn't come in at the 11th hour to offer him their job, Joe Judge would be our head coach right now. And many would have lapped it up initially with all the "We are going to be blue collar, tough, physical" and "He's one of us" phrases that many would have thrown around.

Fact is, Jackie and Mullen have been the only good coaches we've had since the Soviet Union fell and both of them had flaws. Mullen proved his flaws at UF and got fired for it.

We suck at hiring coaches. End of story. Cohen tried to hire Judge, Hored JoMo, and had Pruitt as one his next target lol. Cohen leaves and Keenum does the dumb but safe move with Arnett, then our boosters take over and show all they care about is MS and State ties and running the football.

We do not have a good President. We have the same dumb boosters everyone else does, but ours are poor. Selmon may be OK but I have my doubts after he cowered from replacing Lemo.

There is no vision, no true leader that can get everyone in line and then select a good football coach for the modern age.

We talk a lot about ADs but at some point Keenum has to also go for us to move forward. He's clearly clueless as to what makes a good AD, football coach, or how to get boosters under control.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KB21

....and the sad thing is, we lucked up and backed into hiring Mike Leach. It's a frightening thought to know that if the NY Giants hadn't come in at the 11th hour to offer him their job, Joe Judge would be our head coach right now. And many would have lapped it up initially with all the "We are going to be blue collar, tough, physical" and "He's one of us" phrases that many would have thrown around.

---

We are throwing them around now. It’s gross.