Only 88 more yards last year. And we turned it over too. This isn't the same team as last year. Especially on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
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Only 88 more yards last year. And we turned it over too. This isn't the same team as last year. Especially on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Yeah last year on the road at Tiger Stadium. Keep making excuses. 5 games is the ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
And that offense last season was crap too. Defense was pretty good though. Got neither this year. We might score 20 a game again this year with Leach and still not win SEC games. Leach didn't do anything special here. Cool guy who was past his prime with an old ass scheme that struggled here.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
It's tough arguing with someone this dense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Leach's offense controlled the clock. This offense leaves the D on the field 40 minutes a game. Putting up 500 yards a game in the SEC isnt a realistic expectation, but who am I kidding talking to another MSU fan about realistic expectations.
The fact is that Arnett was hired to sustain stability in the program, and because of his ego, completely blew up the offense the team was built to run. We are seeing the consequences of that now.
When we go 4-8 this year Arnett needs to go, and we need to conduct a real national coaching search. Unlike the last go around.
This staff sucks. We agree there. But that Leach offense sucked last year too. Both are true.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Yep.. this team isn't disciplined at all. Not in blocking. Not in pass protection... etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Leach had a system and knew what it took to make the offense work. Arnett does not know how to fix Barbay's offense.
Dude.. give up on trying to compare them. One dealt with covid ending any hope of a spring and constantly not knowing who would be allowed to practice or play. He also had to deal with a bad locker room in that same year. You are not going to convince people to forget 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
They won 9 Cooter. Don;t hand me the Defense won games either. With out the offense scoring, those games are losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
The offense was trash last year. Leach won 8 games but it wasn't because we were lighting it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Night and day. We moved the ball on offense last year. Even against lsu. Now we were average on offense, not great. But we'd kill for average right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We did at times. This team isn't putting up what 2022 did against Arizona and auburn and ark amd Aggie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
If we weren't going to run the air raid, we should have told will to leave and gotten a qb. Hard truth, because I really like will.
Will in this offense is Tyler Russell in mullen's. Unfortunately, we don't have a young dak to slowly break inQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Nailed it. And I'd argue it's worse. Because Tyler couldn't move but he did have a big arm that could stretch the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by msstate7
Unfortunately, Will is more Mike Henig in this offense than Tyler Russell, but Mike could take a hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Leach took over a bad team with discipline issues. Everyone agreed year 1 would be lost just true to cleaning up the locker room. Jesus Christ we played @UGA with how many scholarship players? Was it 45?
Arnett inherited a 8-4 team that had a unusually high amount of returning production
It's not hard to understand the differences in the situation. Arnetts situation is more akin to JoMo than Leach or ******* were.
Both brought a totally different offense system. Now you could argue that arnett shouldn't have, but he did, so that makes them similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Tyler wasn't that bad but I agree similar comparison. Will can run the air dink offense but that is it. Tyler could throw the ball and was faster than Will even carrying Will on his back. Tyler had a pocket prescence and strong arm. We got neither now.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Not for an SEC leading rusherQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It don't take two years to clean up the locker room. How do you explain games like UK and LSU. if the locker room was the issue then how we set an SEC passing record in game one and look like Ned and first reader UK, Ark and others the same year? They saw LSU dumb mistakes and started the drop 8 to stonewall the air raid. That simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Prime fixed the culture in one spring. It don't take 3 years to do that.
Now, we still got talent and scheme problems along with coaching challenges.
Vic did make it. He was a legit every down back before injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Some of y'all have a different memory than I do of leach. I remember us sucking against most SEC teams the first couple years and I remember two years of having to purge the "malcontents". You got to let Zac rebuild this team the way he sees it.
We have no choice now, so yeah, we need to just try and be patient while hoping for the bestQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Last year, the FPI ranking of our offense was #44. Not spectacular (for comparison our defense was #11), but this year (through 3 games only, so there's time to change in either direction) our offense is at #78 and defense #60.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We are far worse on both sides of the ball. Thanks Zach.
There's a huge difference in giving a Hall of Fame coach extra time when he had history of winning at less prestigious schools. We all knew in our hearts that Leach was going to turn us into a great program, and had he not tragically died, we'd be reaping the benefits right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
On the other hand, Arnett has nothing on his resume that suggests he can tear down a team and build it back up in his image. All evidence suggests that he's just sunk the program. You'd have to be extremely optimistic to think that he'll ever get us back to where we were in 2022 (top 20). I hope I'm wrong and he calls me out personally.
Could we within the realm of possibility hire Urban? He wouldn?t have the pressure to win National championship here like he did everywhere else
One thing for sure, our drives under Leach could eat up clock. Imagine that ball control this year with the clock rules. I wonder just how much did Arnett consider the new rules instead of throwing out the entire air raid system.
I like CZA, but I though last year when hired that he said he did not want to change very much.
Still not understanding letting Hollingshead go.
It's not even that. Barbay did the same thing at App State with a SR returning QB and RBs. Look at the drop off in wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
This isn't about him getting his players in. This is about him as an OC. He sucks at teaching the system he is trying to learn.
We probably win 9 in 2021 with Leach if we had a kicker. The Air Raid finished fifth in PPG in SEC only games in 2021.
We would have been much better on offense this year with it being year four and Tulu, Creed, Zavion, and Robinson being the primary receivers along with Walley.
All Zach had to do was hire someone that would update the version of the Air Raid we ran some. He chose not to do that because he bought a line from Barbay. Now we all get to suffer.
YEP!Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Not with his baggage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
And for some reason I don't understand MSU fans have always given Arnett a pass for his defense which routinely finished 7th in the SEC. That's not bad. But it's not been that great either really. Pretty average.
An Unproven HC hired an UNPROVEN OC and people still want to blame the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Barbay and Brock have been terrible at their jobs. The talent is underwhelming too in a lot of spots. OL is trash, QB is a problem, TE is nonexistent, LB is slow, no real pass rushing DEs on the roster ready to play because of our scheme (3-3-5). Nobody to lock down the edge.
State fans just continue to suffer
No. There's a conversation between Ryan Day and Urban after Day was called by Cohen and asked if he was interested in our job after Dan left. Urban thinks we're a lower than shit program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
We might have a shot at Willie Fritz, maybe, but I really wouldn't be surprised if we brought back Dan.
https://i.imgur.com/bqfvMmC.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Everyone knows I'd love this. I do wonder how the transfer portal would mix with his development/RS design thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Calm down dude. Don't get too many erotic thoughts just yet *****Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
IF (that's a big if) Mullen was willing to give 100% at trying to win championships, I think he could be more successful here in his 2nd stint than he was in his 1st. The question is does he care enough to really commit.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Too lateQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
That's a huge IF that we all know the answer to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
We've suffered enough. The one good season with Dan wouldn't be worth the recruiting damage and the impending looking to leave ASAP.