If we lost, there'd be more discussion about us missing a bowl game and firing Arnett. But we won, so the focus is on how much better we need to get instead of the season being overQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
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If we lost, there'd be more discussion about us missing a bowl game and firing Arnett. But we won, so the focus is on how much better we need to get instead of the season being overQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Really? Cause I watched KJ Jefferson throw many screens (including this weekend) into the dirt!Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
https://www.footballdb.com/college-f...9&sort=passpctQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
KJ was a 68% passer last season, averaged over 2 more yards per attempt than Will, and obviously has way more running ability
Ah not this again. Do you guys not remember the Sawyer talk? KT talk? Etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
OK. Will can throw a screen pass. We've found our messiah.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Had nothing to do with my point. The QB's job is to pass the ball on passing plays. The plays called were Barbay's calls and on those Will was 76%. And that doesn't take away from the fact that he throws passes in the dirt on simple screens or behind the LOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
And throw down field.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
He was called on to throw 4.2 passes per quarter. That's stupidity. It does not allow a QB to get into the rhythm and it allows a defense to key on the run. Even still, the QB was 76%. Barbay made us 1 dimensional last night.
The defense was not the problem
They turned the ball over 5 times. Its hard for me to say that they played an A+ game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I still cant believe they committed five turnovers and we still had to go to OT to beat them. Its mind boggling.
We get zero pressure from our DL. If we dont blitz, we cant get pressure. Its that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Will CANNOT throw downfield! From the eye test to his arm strength to 3 years of Y/A being worse than any other Leach QB shows he can't push the ballQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
I agree on Barbay. We need to fix the offensive strategy then fix QB play when Will fails to hack it. But for now, OC is the bigger problem
What the F is your point? You bring up JK missing short passes to say he's inaccurate but then dismiss the fact he's got the same comp % as Will!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
KJ throws 68% with over 8 Y/A. Will throws it 68% with 6 Y/A. Id rather ave the QB thowing 68% overall and hitting downfield passes than 68% overall and hitting short stuff. Especially when JK is a runner too.
KJ is a much better QB by the stats. He did have an awful game yesterday though. Still had more yards than Will
Think we saw we averaged 5.3 yards per attempt last season. 130th in the FBS. Maybe he can throw downfield? But it's clear he's not doing so consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
We're not for or against Will. We just want the personnel on the field that gives us the best chance to win. We seem to be trying to mollify EVERYONE with our approach. That is deadly.
He can and does. The internet would bes have a story that they stick to but lives in non reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
We didn't capitalize on a couple of those turnovers. We let Arizona hang around instead of putting the dagger in their heart. We go up 28-0 in the second quarter and it's a different ball game.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Everybody's A game is different. Alabama's A game dwarfs our A game. Fisch was not put in panic mode b/c our offense couldn't put two of those turnovers in the end zone. He didn't need to change the game plan. I think some people need to realize Fisch is a good coach. He's not a Butch Jones or Jeremy Pruitt. He's been coaching in some form or fashion in college football for 25 years.
Statistically, he does not. Almost every previous Leach QB threw deeper with the same offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Again, all your posts revolve around defending Will.
Please, share the stats that say Will throws it deep and does it well and I'll change my views.
415 610 3,974 68.0 6.5 75 35Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Just because the average is low does not mean inaccuracy down field. It means we played the Air Raid system which is to throw it a lot and higher % passes are the main stay.
In another thread last week I broke down the stats for every previous Leach QB. No names like Potts, borderline 2 stars etc almost all had higher Y/A than Will and a higher QBR.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Can't blame the Air Raid when Will also falls short vs other Leach QBs
EDIT: And another thing, the Air Raid is not the run and shoot. It absolutely expects real passes. If no real pass is there yes you check down to the 5 yard pass the D is giving you, but the start of the offense is a dropback and 4 verts for crying out loud. Leach asks the QBs to go deep first and check down after the first 3-4 reads. DOn't act like Leach wants his QBs to stay within 10 yards of the LOS and Will was the ideal QB
I see that a little differently. Your offense plays to your strengths. If you have a QB who can consistently execute downfield, no coach on the planet is going to not utilize it simply because it's not in a system's playbook. That's false logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Sure. This season, he has had 2 TDs where the ball traveled in air over 20 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
in 2022, He had 9 TDs where the ball traveled 20 yard in air or more. Between 10-19 yards in air, 15 Tds. A total in those ranges of 24 TDs. That means 38% was deep ball throws that resulted in TD.
2021... 10 TDs of 20 or more in air. and 12 between 10-19 yards. About 50% of the TDs were deep shots.
In 2020, Rogers never threw a TD that was 20 or more yards. Not 1. and had only 8 that was 10-19.
Can you share the source for the stats so we can compare his numbers to others?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Wright being the QB next year is whatQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
What does comparing him to others have to do with his ability to score on deep shots?Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
PFF
I am claiming WIll is not a good deep ball thrower. You respond with raw stats. Those stats are meaningless without knowing what other QBs do.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Please copy and past the link since you already found it
We need a portal QB for next year. Enough screwing around. We need someone that can spin it and has some form of athletic ability.
I don't think we have that guy on our roster. Tulanes back up looks better than any of our guys.
We need to see Mike Wright actually run the offense instead of handing it off and making a few runs before we go portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MBDawg601
I pray it happens, but it doesn't seem like it will this year. I think Mike Wright wouldn't do any worse than will, but adds another element with his legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
The raw stats is all thats needed. This isn't a comparison of QBs. No other QB from other teams will be a QB at MSU this season. All Rogers has to do to keep defenses more honest is to throw it deep. If 30% ends up completed then the defense will respect it. That fact that almost 50% of the TDs were 20 yards plus is enough to prove the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
The only reason a defense will not respect it is if there are no attempts or there are no completions. We are seeing a lack of passing attempts and became 1 dimensional. That's play calling. For your comparison though...
Here is Bryce Young.
2021: 14 TDs in the 20 plus... along with 4 ints. 9 TDs in the 10 - 19 with 2 ints. 4 more TDs with the playoff system games included. That's 3 extra games
2022: 5 TDs in the 20 plus. 13 Tds in the 10-19 range. Rogers had more passing TDs in the deep range and in the 10-19 range.
https://premium.pff.com/ncaa/teams/2...passing-detail
And how did that work out for us ? Like I said - we paid the price for it. You don't have to send both at the same time, use a combination of positions like a weak side corner or free safety as well but it looked to me like more damage was done by uncovered backs or tight ends in the flatQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
LOL you know damned well you can't determine if a player is good without comparing them to their peers lol. Lemonis won baseball games last year, he must me a really good coach right? but when you compare his wins to the rest of the SEC's wins, he finished 13th. The fact you want to keep this to just raw numbers with no comparison to other SEC QBs shows you know he can't stack up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
I don't pay for PFF premium so can't look up the real comps (KJ jefferson for one, since his name has been brought up here).
Once again you show you're not interested in honest discussion, but solely in defending Will. If the truth supports will you'll say that, but if the truth doesn't support Will you'll go so far as to say there's no point in comparing QBs because "No other QB from other teams will be a QB at MSU this season". By that logic we can never say if any player at any position is better/worse than a player on a another team. This is how far you'll go to defend Will.
Is it a family relation, or just a personal friendship?
I was at the game, Arnett called most of the defensive plays, he was at least signaling them in so I don't think he has truly given up play calling duties.
CZA's own quote .... "I don't call the defense- I only signal the calls in ... the coordinators have studied film and formulated the plan... I'm busy doing head coaching "Quote:
Originally Posted by Fader21
You asked for a comparison. I gave it with a link. According to that Rogers was more productive than Bryce Young.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Not much to add that hasn't already been said. I'll throw in though that throwing 15 times in regulation on a night where we only averaged 3.7 yards per run is just mind boggling, almost as much as giving Whittemore no touches on the same night. WTF?
Yards per attempt is a useless stat to me. Too many variables to put that stat squarely on the QB. Dropped passes, passes receivers get their hands around but are too weak to hold onto when the defender hits them or reaches in. The offensive line can?t protect and QB has to throw it away or rush his throw. The RB misses a block on the extra rusher or blitzer.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
By this logic no stat matters at all. name me a stat that isn't somewhat dependent on the perforce of others?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
RB rushing doesn't matter because the OL may miss a block.
DB giving up a lot of TDs doesn't matter because maybe the DL was giving the QB a lot of time.
Defense allowing a lot of points doesn't matter because maybe the offense sucked and created bad field position for the D.
Not just that, but Great WRs can break one and add to the Y/A. All of Bama's WRs did it last year and the year before.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious