My bad. 2 in 33 years. Not sure why 2016 slipped the mind.
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My bad. 2 in 33 years. Not sure why 2016 slipped the mind.
We have had 5 losing seasons in the last 15 seasons with only 1 of those being Lemon's. Again- acting like we are experiencing some historical losing under Lemon is not living in reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
LSU will never fall like us. They are the best program in the country.
And LSU would have fired Lemonis after the last two seasons NC or notQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We aren’t LSU and never will beQuote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
14th of 14 SEC teams in '22 and 13th of 14 in '23 is now historical for us. Just having an overall winning season is a very low bar for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We finished last in 2008Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
We finished last in 2009
We finished next to last in 2010
Losing season in 2015
Losing season in 2022
5 losing seasons in the last 15 years
3 of those were the end of Polk 2/beginning g of Cohen where he had to fix the roster the slow way (no Portal)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
In 15 Cohen reacted so strongly to loosing he got a ton of great JuCos and we won the SEC the next year. There's no good excuses for '15, but the man took action to fix it
What did Lemo do after his loosing season?
same thing he's doing now, waiting
Omaha 2 out of the last 3 years. National seed two out of the last 3 years and was the number 1 overall seed in 2022. At this moment they are light years ahead of us and it is solely because of Vitello. You can hate him all you want but I would take him in a heartbeat over Lemonis. Also, how about we stop acting like our guys play like choirboys. Hunter Hines flipped off the OM fans two years ago in Oxford, Ethan Small told the CMU dugout to blow him, and Logan Tanner had some very choice words for the OM dugout after the 21 series. And btw, none of that is bad. I love playing with that brash confidence and cockiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
That's not entirely true. We brought in exactly 3 JUCOs who contributed in '16 - Lowe, Kruger, and Daniel Brown. Everyone else was either on the roster or true freshman. We had a ton of guys make jumps (Hudson, Sexton, Houston and Rooker being the main ones) from '15 and had a freshmans who hit .400+, and 2 more who gave us major innings (Pilk and James).Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
More than anything Cohen filled a hole with Lowe, got lucky with Kruger which allowed Collins to play 3B (remember Lovelady was our C and he went down early to injury), and trusted the talent he saw that didn't play well in '15.
I know, because our fans, school, boosters, you name it accepts mediocrityQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It?s that poor ol ms state attitude of ?cant?
From a fandom standpoint, sometimes I kick myself for choosing MSU over LSU to get my degree
baseball will be mediocre under lemonis. he's proven 2 years in a row that he's dull and can't get a top portal pitcher to seal the deal. hitting will be fine next season with or without Montgomery. Lemo's job is all under the control of Parker.
It is weird to me that he and staff do a good job of overall recruiting but have been very lackluster in portal recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
I thought about that also. Hard to figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Quite frankly- we're way too nice to our coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If LSU has a year like we did in 2022 they'll turn on Jay Johnson VERY quickly.
I think we've done pretty well myself. Who have we lost? Skenes and Holman? I think our pitching situation is part of that in both cases. Skenes because we still had Foxhall and he liked LSU's team better. And Holman because Parker is a little bit of a newer guy and his friend was on their team. And in both cases we got pretty close to landing them. If Parker has a good year there is a good chance we'll get the next big guy next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But look at who we have gotten- Dubrule and Simmons for 2021. 2022 we got RJ Yeager and Jess Davis. 2023 we got Ledbetter who became a second round pick, Dohm, Nixon, Larry, and Hujsack.
I do think we could do better but I don't think we've been bad and at least Lemonis typically fills holes in the lineup.
like I said, kinda mediocre for a guy who should field a top 15 caliber team annually. Lemo contacted several other portal guys this summer, not just pitchers but came up no dice. I am very interested in Parker though and what immediate improvement he can get from each arm really. I'm wondering if next season might be a situation where we see 3-4 arms each game, regardless of who starts as part of a strategic plan to keep guys fresh and out of trouble.
This is true. LSU fired Orgeron less than two years after they won a national championship. They'd do the same for Jay Johnson if he falls apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We weren't willing to do the same to Lemonis.
B-b-b-b-b-but we put 14k in the stands to watch us lose!!! Baseball royalty!!Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Scoob can you already send this rebel packing? Nothing but negativity and hating State stuff in every sport with damn near every post. Pointless to discuss anything with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
Well to me it sounds like "we" were, just the AD wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
As much as I've been arguing with C34 and Todd let's not forget that Todd made a post calling for Polk to be the interim, and C34 called Lemonis "Lemonizick" as a reference to Gene Chizik. These guys were absolutely "willing" to fire Lemo. They're just trying to put a positive spin on next year because they'd rather we be optimistic than pessimistic, which is fair.
All accounts here have a common denominator- our AD didn't want to make the move. So I pin the blame on him
That's who I'm referring to when I say "we."Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
It doesn't matter what I or any other poster on here thinks.
Because you don?t like the truth you accuse people of being a Rebel. I?m just calling it like I see it, hoss. Most of you don?t care about the facts of the history as Coach and others have pointed out. You just want to say ?we are the best cuz we fill the stands?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Big difference. LSU has multiple national championships in both of those sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
We just got our first in any sport. Does that give him a lifetime contract? nope.. and I was close after these past 2 years. But Foxhall is now gone.
We have a ton of talent coming back. It's gonna be a very good year or a repeat.
He earned his chance... hopefully it's not his last.
Really dude? you are asking me to send someone packing because you don't like their opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
That's mighty funny considering if I followed that... you would have been loooong gone.
He may well be Lemonizik. We’ll see this Spring. We don’t lack talent and we aren’t depending on too many freshmen this go round. No excuses
Some are finally coming around to the realization that players do not give one iota of a crap about this. It is nice but it is not the end all be all that some make it out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
here go tater just a being tater againQuote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
Yep, our attendance records, stadium, and fans don't mean one thing to these portal players. They want to get paid, win, and get developed while they do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
That's the difference in our positions- I think year 4 and 5 being abject failures is enough evidence he is "Lemonizick". You think there needs to be a year 6 to say he sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Earlier this year you agreed with me, that's why you made the nickname
If Parker can't get some pf the arms to be SEC arms quick and lower the ERA down to sub 5, it won't matter how many sticks we got
I've criticized the guy since we hired him. We left pitchers in too long and other problems the year we won the title. Most of my complaints have been on the pitching side- so I'm willing to see if Fox was indeed the biggest problem. Now I know I will get the usual pushback of "Lemon is the HC- it ultimately falls on him". I get it. But Muscara at Wake handles all the pitching decisions as do other PC's at various schools. That's just how some coaches operate. We'll see if the PC change makes much difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
We have another tiresome dude here that I just put on auto block. Don't have to see the nonsense anymore. The ignore is awesome. Check it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater