Another year of abject mediocrity in baseball is fine by me. I'm a football guy. I really don't like baseball due some childhood issues involving my Dad trying to relive his glory years through me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Another year of abject mediocrity in baseball is fine by me. I'm a football guy. I really don't like baseball due some childhood issues involving my Dad trying to relive his glory years through me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Totally disagree with you Todd. Lemonis isn't the answer, did you not pay attention to his on the field decisions, it's not just the last game it's been all year. We have major gaps in our lineup, we don't have much on the bench that can step up and help what I'm seeing in certain positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Tell me when we have ever had a so-called Elite Coach in baseball at Msu come from another school, and I wouldn't call RP when we hired him in the 70's but he was an up-and-coming young coach from a mid major.
But we shall see and I'm gonna pull for us regardless what happens. We can get the money and find a new Coach, it ain't like we need food stamps and stimulus money.
JMO
The difference is Lemonis has proven he can win in the right scenario. The question is can he build that scenario instead of using someone else?s. So far that appears to be a no, but he?s at least proven that he can win.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Moorhead had a team built to win 10 games and he couldn?t do it.
Why would you not be able to do a national search if we fire him now? He is done. Keeping him is just delaying the inevitable.
I laughed about National search as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
You could do a regional search and find a staff that would do better than 14th and 13th place finishes
It's pretty well believed that the coaches of Campbell, Central Michigan, and Louisiana Tech would take our job. If we can get someone better, great, but all 3 of those would have gotten this team to a Regional this year. Probably last year too.
Yeah, what exactly is the difference between a "national" search starting say, TODAY, and a "national" search starting 365 days from today? And another thing. Just WTH is an "elite" college baseball coach? Exactly how would one define such an individual? I would argue that you really can't. Number of national championships? Number of CWS appearances? Anyway, even if it could be defined we will not get one of those. Nor would most any other school. It just does not work that way in college baseball. If you are looking for that so called "elite" coach then you are wandering around needlessly. I truly do not know or even have a strong opinion on the best route to take at this point. But if making a change is the choice of Selmon, Keenum and the few controlling the purse strings then a smart search will locate the right man for the job. And he does not have to be "elite".Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
John Cohen 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Steve said the same thing before Kendall. Pretty much verbatim. Exact same words. Do with that what you willQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We're not spending 6 million to buy out our current staff plus another couple million to buy out the current contract of the new staff. Not happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Oh we can do a national search. But we won't land the best coach we can get. And we'll lose millions more in the process to likely do the same thing over again in about five years.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
So let's throw shit against the wall and hope it sticks. Good plan.**Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
Isn't that what we're doing if we keep Lemonis? Fool me twice, one more chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Funny since this is basically the same thing as keeping Lemonis. The pitching has been beyond bad but so has almost every other aspect. Other than "recruiting" which is pretty much always in the top 10-15, what does Lemonis bring to the table next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
He didn't even maintain Indiana. They regressed his first 3 years and finally won 40 games his 4th year. The two previous years before Lemonis was 49 wins and 44 wins.
so would the staffs at PRCC, Jones College and ECCCQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Come on, Todd. You are a knowledgeable baseball guy. Where in any of this did you come up with the fact we would be throwing shit against a wall?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
None of us are strong enough to pick Lemo up.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
Well that means they both could be wrong. Rosy ain't in the know anymore than this hoard.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Todd, the buyout will cost State $0. They have people willing to cover that. They simply don't want to do it. Stop slobbing on the Lemonis knob. The guy sucks!
This is actually correct. People seem to forget Leo Seal left us somewhere either just north or just south of 9 figures when he died that was specifically earmarked to hire and fire coaches. We have used that fund to fire Croom, Moorhead, and Howland and have used it to hire Moorhead, Leach, Howland, Jans, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Is this your best guess or have you actually talked to a booster (or boosters) that confirmed they would in fact pay the 6 million? Or are you willing to pay the 6 mil?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I will be totally stunned if he wins 11 SEC games if they allow him to hang around next year.
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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
You're basically advocating doing a search just to do one without any thought of any other ramification to the program or thought of how a search now might turn out. But hey! We showed that mother ****er how we do baseball at MSU because I'm mad right?**Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
The reason it's throwing shit against the wall is because yeah- that might work out. But it's going to have to be because we found a guy who is an unknown or assistant with no experience and it just happened to work. However, odds of that working are really, really low.
The buyout is only one piece of the puzzle and you know it. Sure we can pay it. And guess where that money isn't going if we spend it? NIL for other sports or for other projects for MSU athletics. If I told you that you could buy something now for 6 million and with the high risk of something not working out or you could wait a year and spend 2 million and likely get something much better which would you do? And one reason we may not want to spend the Seal money right now is because we have a football coach that is still a massive unknown at this point and right now his recruiting isn't looking so hot. Oh yeah- and we have pay the new staff too. For the type of coach we want and expect that's not going to be cheap either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Not to mention at least 5 SEC games that we blew massive leads because of pitching and it's very logical to let him try with another year with a new pitching coach. We could very realistically lower our team ERA by two runs which still isn't very good and potentially end up with a regional host bid with the team we return and the recruits we have coming in.
If 2024 is anything like this or with 11 SEC wins then yes, he will be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
We'll know within 3-4 days. If you are making a change- it has to be done immediately
I don't think any of us are saying anything like that. DO think about the ramification to the program. DO think about how the search will turn out. Make a change after considering those options. Talk to some candidates before making the decision, and then make the change once we have someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You spent most of the season advocating for a change just like me, even naming Justin Haire at Campbell as your favorite, and now at the end, you suddenly are back on the Lemonis train? Why? What did Lemonis show at the end of the season that he didn't show all along?
If we are making a change it should be announced tomorrow morning. If there is no announcement by 9 AM Monday morning then you can be assured Lemonis is staying. And honestly, unless we have a high major coach that has signed an MOU, just keep Lemonis. We are not going to get a guy that most will be happy with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The problem with this is than anybody we want to coach here will be playing for atleast two more weeks while players are hitting the portal...that means we are two weeks without a coach....Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You in no way, shape, or form EVER talk to candidates while you still have a sitting head coach. Good lord, try not to be idiotic. You maybe talk to their representation, although most baseball coaches do not make enough to warrant representation. Again unless you have a Corbin, Vitello, or O’Sullivan type hire waiting then wait til next year. Lee the buyout drop and push your chips to the middle of the table on VitelloQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I've been saying that he was going to likely come back for the vast majority of the year. The only time I ever thought he might be in serious trouble was after Arkansas where we looked awful and I thought that we were going to tank the rest of the year like last year. Then a few days later like right before the LSU series I heard he was coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I only mentioned Justin Haire in the context of "if" we were to make a change which wasn't obvious several weeks ago when the season could have turned one way or the other.
The only reason I think he should come back is because of the context of what would be best for our baseball program in the long run. If he comes back and turns it around great. If he doesn't after another year we've put ourselves in a better position to hire a replacement and minimize long term damage. Selmon isn't going to go behind Lemonis's back making sure that we have a commitment from someone else before we fire him. That's an incredibly bad look and that's going to get out in the baseball community very quickly.
With our talent, our recruiting, and the portal- we can turn this around very quickly with even a decent hire at pitching coach. That's essentially what happened to us between 2015 and 2016.
And yes- we can rebound from three straight poor seasons. MSU had maybe it's best 10-11 year stretch after 2008-2010 which were three straight losing seasons.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
THANK YOU! SIGNS OF LIFE AMONG MSU BASEBALL FANS!Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I'm glad someone else gets it.
Oh we are here… it’s just tiresome reading the same stupid shit post after post after post from people who have mood swings worse than my wife during duck season…Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
BingoQuote:
Originally Posted by TNDawg35
I think Todd gets paid by the word - need a cliffs note poster for Todd
The whole argument for keeping Lemonis
We?re not sure what we can get so we?re better off staying with him another year
Listen to yourself
This sounds like abused spouse syndrome where you?re so beat up mentally and it has you mind17d believing you can?t do better
You know what, you?re right
It?s the Mississippi St mindset
I?d rather kick the tires of a juco coach than watch Bucketman coach another year
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Originally Posted by sandjunky
Agree. What makes the guys think we will have a better chance to hire a big name next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
I'd take the staffs at PRCC, Jones or ECCC over anything Lemo put out.
It is possible IF the entire pitching staff is given an overhaul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
We will have much more money to work with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgface