Lem will be back

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well, the idea is that he's not a lame duck and next season we should be improved

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So you?re saying State shouldn?t expect to be an elite program - got it

State and its fans are good with mediocrity

The ole poor ol?Mississippi State mindset needs to die and die fast (not saying you have this attitude)

This gives me Croom flashbacks.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

This gives me Croom flashbacks.

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I didn?t go there simply due to NC

But the past two years have been crxxmtastic

He couldn?t coach or recruit

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

So you?re saying State shouldn?t expect to be an elite program - got it

State and its fans are good with mediocrity

The ole poor ol?Mississippi State mindset needs to die and die fast (not saying you have this attitude)

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Well, the guy with the only NC in our history will probably get 1 more season to see if he can get us back into the NCAA Tourney and win games. Nobody is accepting mediocrity. I've always said the expectation every season for our baseball program is to make a Super. That hasnt changed.

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Originally Posted by ArrowDawg

Anything less than hosting a regional next year should result in his firing. After two years in a row like this, I'm done.

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Making a regional should be the floor for us every year. That is like making a bowl in football. Really should be in contention for hosting at least every year too.

Not making Hoover is like 1-11 in football. Not getting in a regional as a 4 seed is like 4-8. For a baseball program like ours, it ain't much to ask for a regional every year. The past two years are beyond acceptable regardless injuries. Programs like us should just throw another talented guy out there and make a regional.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well, the guy with the only NC in our history will probably get 1 more season to see if he can get us back into the NCAA Tourney and win games. Nobody is accepting mediocrity. I've always said the expectation every season for our baseball program is to make a Super. That hasnt changed.

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Yep the NC bought whoever got it a lot of coaching capital. Lemo just used all his up real quick.

Bianco now using his up. His leash might be shorter ironically because they were about to fire him last year till he won it.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Actually a lot of people are, sadly.

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No they aren't. If you ask our fanbase, 99.99% will tell you making Hoover isn't the standard.

I'm fine with it. Pitching direction will be paramount. I also think we play well this weekend.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Making a regional should be the floor for us every year. That is like making a bowl in football. Really should be in contention for hosting at least every year too.

Not making Hoover is like 1-11 in football. Not getting in a regional as a 4 seed is like 4-8. For a baseball program like ours, it ain't much to ask for a regional every year. The past two years are beyond acceptable regardless injuries. Programs like us should just throw another talented guy out there and make a regional.

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Yep. How many top #10 football programs hold on to head coaches with back to back 3-9 seasons?

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Originally Posted by msu15

That would definitely be the Mississippi State thing to do. Sounds like Selmon is fitting in already.

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Correct. If he doesnt make the move it better not be because he wants to get comfortable first. A blind man can see what needs to be done

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It makes a lot of sense to bring him back if you take everything into consideration with our situation.

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I 100 percent disagree

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

If Missouri and or Georgia win 1 game next weekend, State is eliminated from SEC tourney even if State sweeps A & M. No way he should be back next year. Lemonis is the Author, Editor, and Publisher of the Horror Story. I expect significant Portal entries by key players at end of season whether he is back or not. But we need new blood at the top.

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This is the bottom line. All year long the point was make Hoover. You dont make Hoover you gotta go

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No one is just OK with going to Hoover.

To me this is like when Dan went 6-7 with an Egg Bowl win and Peter Sirmon as our DC. We all knew that Dan had some success with us and we all knew that Sirmon was obviously THE problem. We all knew that Dan could turn it around with a better DC- which he did in 2017.

I feel pretty confident that Lemonis will turn it around with a new PC.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but this team has talent to where it can be turned around pretty quickly I think.

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It?s not like that at all. The past 2 seasons are equivalent to 3-9.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He makes a regional in 2024 and he will retain his job. We have been a 2 seed many times and gone on to make a Super

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He is done. It would be something that has never be done to come back from this. Name a head coach that fired an asst to save his ass that made it back? If he comes back I will have little faith in our admins. Keenum hates OM so much that helps his case, and I get that. But OM is terrible and we are just as bad. With no legit excuses as to why

If we retain Lemonis, the baseline to keep his job for 2025 should be either hosting in 2024, or at least being in the hosting conversation late.

Sneaking into a Regional is OK on occasion at MSU, but not as the best of a 3-year stretch. It should be, like, the worst in a 5-year stretch or so.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Name a head coach that fired an asst to save his ass that made it back?

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Nick Mingione of Kentucky

7th in the East in 2019- No NCAA Tourney
6th in the East in 2021- No NCAA Tourney
6th in the East in 2022- No NCAA Tourney

2023? Listed as a national seed (8th in the country) currently heading in the last SEC weekend

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nick Mingione of Kentucky

7th in the East in 2019- No NCAA Tourney
6th in the East in 2021- No NCAA Tourney
6th in the East in 2022- No NCAA Tourney

2023? Listed as a national seed (8th in the country) currently heading in the last SEC weekend

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Kentucky is currently #1 in the country in RPI.

I can live with bringing Lemonis back if he?s committed.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

I can live with bringing back if he?s committed.

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Let me ask coach Lem if he is committed. He says YES! Buy your tickets now! ***

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Actually a lot of people are, sadly.

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I don't know of a single one.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I don't know of a single one.

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There are numerous people on this board and others who have said they think Lemonis should be fired if we miss Hoover but can stay if we make it, as if that's the baseline (top 12 in a 14-team league) he has to meet to keep his job.

12th out of 14 isn't good enough in football, much less a sport where we care the most out of any fanbase in the country and really only 4 of the 14 teams in the conference do.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

There are numerous people on this board and others who have said they think Lemonis should be fired if we miss Hoover but can stay if we make it, as if that's the baseline (top 12 in a 14-team league) he has to meet to keep his job.

12th out of 14 isn't good enough in football, much less a sport where we care the most out of any fanbase in the country and really only 4 of the 14 teams in the conference do.

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Heres' the thing:

3-9 in football and you are nowhere near being a competent team. You just suck basically.

As bad as we have been this year- we are 44th right now in RPI. We are the 44th best team in the country ratings-wise. That would get us in the NCAA Tourney in basketball. That would get us in a very good bowl in football. But in baseball- different world. In most other baseball conferences- we are the 1 seed. So judging is different

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Heres' the thing:

3-9 in football and you are nowhere near being a competent team. You just suck basically.

As bad as we have been this year- we are 44th right now in RPI. We are the 44th best team in the country ratings-wise. That would get us in the NCAA Tourney in basketball. That would get us in a very good bowl in football. But in baseball- different world. In most other baseball conferences- we are the 1 seed. So judging is different

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The 13th best SEC football team is probably the around 44th best team in the country, so I think it is comparable.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

There are numerous people on this board and others who have said they think Lemonis should be fired if we miss Hoover but can stay if we make it, as if that's the baseline (top 12 in a 14-team league) he has to meet to keep his job.

12th out of 14 isn't good enough in football, much less a sport where we care the most out of any fanbase in the country and really only 4 of the 14 teams in the conference do.

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I think some of our fans are confusing realistic expectations for THIS season based on how the season played out vs our actual program standard.

Those are two very different things.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I 100 percent disagree

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We could fire him now- but it would likely cause a lot more long term harm than good.

It's simply too expensive and too risky at this point to fire him. Because of that it doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Making a regional should be the floor for us every year. That is like making a bowl in football. Really should be in contention for hosting at least every year too.

Not making Hoover is like 1-11 in football. Not getting in a regional as a 4 seed is like 4-8. For a baseball program like ours, it ain't much to ask for a regional every year. The past two years are beyond acceptable regardless injuries. Programs like us should just throw another talented guy out there and make a regional.

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For me it's a Super Regional. As a SEC team we have a pretty good chance of winning a regional. Especially at home. I think the last regional game we lost was 2013 to Central Arkansas. Odds are if you go to a regional you're going to be up against at least two mid majors. As bad as we may be we have won the vast majority of our OOC games. And our schedule isn't exactly a cake walk. We've beaten Arizona State, USM, Louisiana, among others.

Arrow- hosting has politics attached to it so I'm not as focused on that since we have less control over it.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nick Mingione of Kentucky

7th in the East in 2019- No NCAA Tourney
6th in the East in 2021- No NCAA Tourney
6th in the East in 2022- No NCAA Tourney

2023? Listed as a national seed (8th in the country) currently heading in the last SEC weekend

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When did he fire his pitching coach mid season

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Heres' the thing:

3-9 in football and you are nowhere near being a competent team. You just suck basically.

As bad as we have been this year- we are 44th right now in RPI. We are the 44th best team in the country ratings-wise. That would get us in the NCAA Tourney in basketball. That would get us in a very good bowl in football. But in baseball- different world. In most other baseball conferences- we are the 1 seed. So judging is different

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Getting run ruled more than anyone in program history and holding both of the schools longest SEC losing streaks is pretty incompetent

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We could fire him now- but it would likely cause a lot more long term harm than good.

It's simply too expensive and too risky at this point to fire him. Because of that it doesn't make sense.

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I disagree also, he may be back back we got some serious problems. Our pitching has to be completely rebuilt, our defense has been awful, our hitting as far as average or on base % is inconsistent. We strive on the long ball which is good. I'm kinda shocked at your take on Lemonis. I hope IF he is back he gets us back to what Msu baseball was, it sure is hell ain't what I've seen and I'm not sure he can maintain the level our history has been.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Getting run ruled more than anyone in program history and holding both of the schools longest SEC losing streaks is pretty incompetent

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44th in RPI means nothing when you are losing as much as we have. I'm beginning to think 34 is kin to Lemonis** LOL

The man is in over his head. This team (SEC PLAY) is:

10th in hitting
12th in runs
14th in pitching
2nd in HR given up
14th in fielding

All with his recruits. And he had to bring back Hancock because we couldn't sign a catcher.
The guy sat on his big ole bucket ass and watched the wheels fall off at a time we should've been exploding to new heights with a new stadium and a Natty. His recruiting went off the rails for two full years.
We're going to reward him.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

The man is in over his head. This team (SEC PLAY) is:

10th in hitting
12th in runs
14th in pitching
2nd in HR given up
14th in fielding

All with his recruits. And he had to bring back Hancock because we couldn't sign a catcher.
The guy sat on his big ole bucket ass and watched the wheels fall off at a time we should've been exploding to new heights with a new stadium and a Natty. His recruiting went off the rails for two full years.
We're going to reward him.

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Seems insane to me too. I guess it depends on what the cigar boys want to do.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

When did he fire his pitching coach mid season

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After finishing 7th in the East in 2019- he fired both assistants...now he is a top 8 national seed. You asked. I answered

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No one is just OK with going to Hoover.

To me this is like when Dan went 6-7 with an Egg Bowl win and Peter Sirmon as our DC. We all knew that Dan had some success with us and we all knew that Sirmon was obviously THE problem. We all knew that Dan could turn it around with a better DC- which he did in 2017.

I feel pretty confident that Lemonis will turn it around with a new PC.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but this team has talent to where it can be turned around pretty quickly I think.

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How do you explain the poor fielding then?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Actually a lot of people are, sadly.

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Literally no one is.

In the job world, If someone completely bombed at a job most of the year but did good work one week toward the end of the year, that would not make up for MOST of the year doing terrible and most likely one would be fired. In this case, if we were losing games 3-2, 6-5, 8-6 for most of our losses, it would still be bad but there would at least be some glimmer of "we are close". But getting run ruled at this level so many times is not acceptable AT ALL. It's embarrassing and he needs to go.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

The man is in over his head. This team (SEC PLAY) is:

10th in hitting
12th in runs
14th in pitching
2nd in HR given up
14th in fielding

All with his recruits. And he had to bring back Hancock because we couldn't sign a catcher.
The guy sat on his big ole bucket ass and watched the wheels fall off at a time we should've been exploding to new heights with a new stadium and a Natty. His recruiting went off the rails for two full years.
We're going to reward him.

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Thank goodness for the long ball. The stats tell the true story why we are losing so much.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

I can live with bringing Lemonis back if he?s committed.

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not good enough for me. What's he going to say now.."I'm not committed" When the wagon is burning, it's nearly impossible to recover, no matter what you say and how committed you are.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

After finishing 7th in the East in 2019- he fired both assistants...now he is a top 8 national seed. You asked. I answered

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That was not mid season. Lemonis aint it. He has been given more than enough time with little to no excuses to be this bad. None.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

That was not mid season. Lemonis aint it. He has been given more than enough time with little to no excuses to be this bad. None.

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Firing is firing. You are splitting hairs at this point.

Do I think Lemon is the long range guy? No
Do I think he deserves one more to prove himself? Yes

Baseball is different from football in recruiting and other ways. I have questioned this guy's moves since he got here. But he won our only Natty. And that buys cred. A few pitching injuries is the equivalent of losing your starting QB. That was our 2022. We had a few more this season that really hurt. He probably deserves 1 more season. We have a Top 5 recruiting class, have some quality players returning, and should pull in some portal guys.