Lemonis

Unbelievable there is talk he might survive. If no decision has been made we are in worse shape than I thought.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Difference in all the teams you mentioned (except OM) is they all will be playing for something while we sit at home with not much to look forward to next year.
We will know in 5 more games, odds are slim we win another. Missouri won again tonight. So the battle is who finishes last between the two Mississippi teams.
He needs to be gone.

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And I'm not saying you are wrong. This is a crazy position to be in right now.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I hear ya but we cant be in a bubble.

Vandy got 10 run ruled today. Indiana St beat them 10-2. Tenn and Fla also 10 runed them. They are 5th in the country
Mississippi got 10 runed today and it wasnt their 1st

The SEC pitching ERA as a conference is over 5

Too many people are in a bubble on us it seems

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Lol now you're DEFENDING Lemones' performance?

How about this: SEC ERA may be up, but we're dead last in the conference. Vandy may get run ruled every now and then, but we ain't 5th in the country. Ole Miss may get run ruled 2st year after winning the Natty, but if they have another season like this Bianco will be gone.

The only "Bubble" here is you thinking that bringing Lemones back another year would be better for our program then getting someone like Campbell's coach.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

And I'm not saying you are wrong. This is a crazy position to be in right now.

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No doubt. I think even if Cohen was still AD he would fire Lemonis. We will know soon, I hope we win tomorrow regardless.

I think this team needs a purge of non sec players. Especially in the pen. Lemonis is putting together talented classes like this freshman class. I honestly think it is a void in upper class men talent and leadership that had spiraled this season out of control. I know it is on the coach to fill in those spots if players don?t step up.

I don?t know. I love Lemonis, but then again I am tired of seeing Lemonis turn M over S baseball into the laughing stock of the SEC

Yeah but apparently it's not hundreds of thousands to the NIL or we could get some better players. It's funny how great players make great coaches.

Could this season be the culmination of our topsy turvy coaching carousel between Cohen/Cann/Henderson/Lemonis?

I do not truly count last season because we had Sims and other quality pitchers, but couldn?t overcome injuries

Here is what I know. I have never seen players in this proud program not run out balls full speed and play with intensity. DJ got pulled last week for not running a ball out and did the same shit again tonight. What Lemonis has allowed to happen to this program is not something that can be overlooked for another year. He has to go and I think the right decision will be made. The product on the field isn’t acceptable and just listening to Lemonis, he doesn’t even believe the bullshit he is saying. He knows he is defeated and doesn’t know how to lead.

I'm really not defending Lemonizik. I just dont have the solid opinion I normally would have.

I dont think the guy has ever been that good- but shit he won it all. Thank goodness Bednar turned into Superman. You guys got on my ass for questioning him before the crash

I worry about who we can pull firing him 2 years after a Natty with Top 5 recruiting classes on board. It 100% is going to turn some candidates off. Hell, some of you seem to forget he was the HC at Indiana when we hired him. So at best- thats what we will get this time.

It's crazy we are here

What is the record number of SEC losses in a season and does State have a chance to tie it or break it? Just wondering if there might be a way to capitalize financially on this drive to unrivaled futility!

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

What is the record number of SEC losses in a season and does State have a chance to tie it or break it? Just wondering if there might be a way to capitalize financially on this drive to unrivaled futility!

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Cohen was 6-24 in 2010. Thats the low bar

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

When a who's who of baseball alums go to the AD wanting change, it happens. That split C34 is talking about was real, but it shrunk big time this week.

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I heard an AD employee say money was the issue, referring specifically to getting players. My take in that, is it is an excuse.

NIL is basically brand new. We are playing with players pre-NIL. Maybe some got deals at other schools and they are better (LSU) but we are bottom of the barrel bad. There?s no chance in hell that NIL is the reason for the last two years. It?s shitty recruiting and shitty coaching.

From the highest to the lowest in a year or two. Welcome to the club Rebs.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

I heard an AD employee say money was the issue, referring specifically to getting players. My take in that, is it is an excuse.

NIL is basically brand new. We are playing with players pre-NIL. Maybe some got deals at other schools and they are better (LSU) but we are bottom of the barrel bad. There?s no chance in hell that NIL is the reason for the last two years. It?s shitty recruiting and shitty coaching.

From the highest to the lowest in a year or two. Welcome to the club Rebs.

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We also chose to make large investments in players who had no business being paid for this year. We spent good money of guys that have not delivered and some have hardly played. It was bad business on the NIL side from the word go.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

I heard an AD employee say money was the issue, referring specifically to getting players. My take in that, is it is an excuse.

NIL is basically brand new. We are playing with players pre-NIL. Maybe some got deals at other schools and they are better (LSU) but we are bottom of the barrel bad. There?s no chance in hell that NIL is the reason for the last two years. It?s shitty recruiting and shitty coaching.

From the highest to the lowest in a year or two. Welcome to the club Rebs.

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Our money for baseball is about top 5-7 in the SEC in a given year. It's not LSU money but it's good.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm really not defending Lemonizik. I just dont have the solid opinion I normally would have.

I dont think the guy has ever been that good- but shit he won it all. Thank goodness Bednar turned into Superman. You guys got on my ass for questioning him before the crash

I worry about who we can pull firing him 2 years after a Natty with Top 5 recruiting classes on board. It 100% is going to turn some candidates off. Hell, some of you seem to forget he was the HC at Indiana when we hired him. So at best- thats what we will get this time.

It's crazy we are here

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It is insane we are here. And if you would’ve had me
Place odds on this post NC, I would’ve said 1/100,000.

He’s not perpetually lazy or I wouldn’t think we’d ever won an NC, unless that class was that special. It’s so perplexing. But that coaches poll………cacao he’s knew/know something. There’s something there.

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Originally Posted by weblow

We also chose to make large investments in players who had no business being paid for this year. We spent good money of guys that have not delivered and some have hardly played. It was bad business on the NIL side from the word go.

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Exactly! We wanted to keep too many guys that don't produce. But we ran off two whole classes already, so we were screwed either way. We didn't do shit with our pitching. This staff failed.

I just cant sit here and think how people can consciously give money money to a program and this is the bullshit they produce.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

I heard an AD employee say money was the issue, referring specifically to getting players. My take in that, is it is an excuse.

NIL is basically brand new. We are playing with players pre-NIL. Maybe some got deals at other schools and they are better (LSU) but we are bottom of the barrel bad. There?s no chance in hell that NIL is the reason for the last two years. It?s shitty recruiting and shitty coaching.

From the highest to the lowest in a year or two. Welcome to the club Rebs.

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The problem with the NIL argument is that there are pitchers on nearly every D1 squad that currently don't get any NIL MONEY to speak of and are better than what we currently have in the bullpen

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Our money for baseball is about top 5-7 in the SEC in a given year. It's not LSU money but it's good.

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Plenty to win another NC. No excuses to be honest, when you look at it holistically

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

The problem with the NIL argument is that there are pitchers on nearly every D1 squad that currently don't get any NIL MONEY to speak of and are better than what we currently have in the bullpen

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That is a huge problem and pure coaching/evaluating.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

That is a huge problem and pure coaching/evaluating.

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm really not defending Lemonizik. I just dont have the solid opinion I normally would have.

I dont think the guy has ever been that good- but shit he won it all. Thank goodness Bednar turned into Superman. You guys got on my ass for questioning him before the crash

I worry about who we can pull firing him 2 years after a Natty with Top 5 recruiting classes on board. It 100% is going to turn some candidates off. Hell, some of you seem to forget he was the HC at Indiana when we hired him. So at best- thats what we will get this time.

It's crazy we are here

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I've been as critical of Lem as anyone but we're in an absolute terrible spot here. If we fire him, we will have had our 4th coach in 8 years. That is not indicative of an "elite" program and firing him 2 years post a N/C is going to turn off a lot of candidates. We're not going to end up with some marquee name like most here think. If we couldn't get the marquee name after Cann/Hendo then we darn sure aren't going to with this mess. Coaching searches seem to always be so complicated here.

Per former baseball player and now massive donor, he's heard nothing official on Lemonis getting fired, and just yesterday mentioned that he still has been told that he will be back next year.

Take it for what it's worth, but he's never missed when we discuss state athletics.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Those Who's Who got his replacement lined up or they gonna be ok with hiring the North Florida or Campbell coach if we lucky?

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The vast majority of our fans will be happy with hiring Justin Haire at Campbell. I don't think Tim Parenton (I had to look up the name), who is a career sub-.500 coach at North Florida is a candidate.

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

I think this team needs a purge of non sec players. Especially in the pen. Lemonis is putting together talented classes like this freshman class. I honestly think it is a void in upper class men talent and leadership that had spiraled this season out of control. I know it is on the coach to fill in those spots if players don?t step up.

I don?t know. I love Lemonis, but then again I am tired of seeing Lemonis turn M over S baseball into the laughing stock of the SEC

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I think they need a coach. As in someone that is a hardass on fundamentals and doesn't put up with bullshit like not running out ground balls.

We're too much into analytics but you can only use analytics when you've mastered the fundamentals of the game first.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm really not defending Lemonizik. I just dont have the solid opinion I normally would have.

I dont think the guy has ever been that good- but shit he won it all. Thank goodness Bednar turned into Superman. You guys got on my ass for questioning him before the crash

I worry about who we can pull firing him 2 years after a Natty with Top 5 recruiting classes on board. It 100% is going to turn some candidates off. Hell, some of you seem to forget he was the HC at Indiana when we hired him. So at best- thats what we will get this time.

It's crazy we are here

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Oh it's going to be a mid major guy. There is no doubt about it.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

That is a huge problem and pure coaching/evaluating.

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More like the problem is we're nice.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Our coach made Indiana a contender and then won a Natty.

Campbell's baseball coach has made his team the best in their conference and never made it out of a Regional.

One of these is not like the other based on resume

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Indiana was in the College World Series 2 years before Lemonis took over. Yet he never made it out of a regional.

At least get your facts straight

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Oh it's going to be a mid major guy. There is no doubt about it.

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The ball needs to stop at Dan Heefner or Justin Haire and end there. There’s no reason to overcomplicate this. Go get 1 of the top 10 actual baseball coaches in the nation.

Any of these mid major guys beat what we have in Lemonis anyway. State will recruit itself to a certain degree, so I want someone who can lead and coach.

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Originally Posted by schddog72

I could have dated the ex-girl, and did drink Bud Light, BUT NEVER AGAIN!!

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What do you drink now

Unless we get a marquee name, I'd just as soon keep Lem for one more year. I'm not interested in some G5 up and comer. No, if we're going to let him go we need a HR hire that shows we mean business. If not, keep what we got.

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

You know, it kinda me makes me wonder about something. Apparently we have some boosters willing to step to the plate to buy out coaches, etc but we can't seem to get enough NIL money. If they've got enough spare change laying around to buyout a coach they've got enough to help us secure some players with NIL.

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This is an excellent point if in fact there is a person or persons willing to stroke the check or checks to move Lemonis out the door. A check to the Bulldog Initiative of a fourth of the cost to buy the contracts of Lemonis and crew would give a tremendous boost to our baseball program. But that is Selmon's job now.

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Unless we get a marquee name, I'd just as soon keep Lem for one more year. I'm not interested in some G5 up and comer. No, if we're going to let him go we need a HR hire that shows we mean business. If not, keep what we got.

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My opinion here, but the only way we get a marquee name is if they are unhappy for some reason at their current job. Also, in most cases, marquee names are a little older. I think the sweet spot for us is a younger G5 dynamo HC or a hot shot asst. at a current power. They need to have that mix of youth and maturity of course.

That said, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Goat is moved up, assuming Lemonis is canned. There is alot of angst about recruiting classes falling apart and going that route would keep alot of it intact. Goat would need to channel his inner hard ass though. My concern is him being able to go from the “good guy” assistant to the “bad guy” head coach. Wouldn’t be an issue with incoming players but the current players would have to adjust.

I want a change but idk who we would hire that would necessarily make me feel great.

We're not getting a big name like McDonnell, Tadlock, Vitello, etc. So forget that

Haire would be a risk. He's done well but it's Campbell.

I like Oregon's coach.

This is a shitty situation all the way around

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

This is a shitty situation all the way around

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It most definitely is. Selmon is probably having restless nights.

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Unless we get a marquee name, I'd just as soon keep Lem for one more year. I'm not interested in some G5 up and comer. No, if we're going to let him go we need a HR hire that shows we mean business. If not, keep what we got.

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Sorry, but that's a loser mentality. There's nothing about the last 2 seasons that make me think a Lemonis-led 2024 will be any different. Even if Haire is all smoke and mirrors (I doubt a coach who wins straight conference titles and goes to 5 straight Regionals would be), it's not like he'd be any worse than Lemonis at this point. I'd rather try to get better and let the chips fall than not try to get better and then hire a new coach anyway after 1 more year of last in the SEC.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The vast majority of our fans will be happy with hiring Justin Haire at Campbell. I don't think Tim Parenton (I had to look up the name), who is a career sub-.500 coach at North Florida is a candidate.

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I just threw them in because they are a mid-major coached by an ex-Bulldog. I know we arent hiring Parenton

Tim Parenton, I think you are better off just ending baseball at MSU. This dude has Losing conference records at both Samford and N Florida. Recruiting at those places is probably putting ads on Craigslist. Basically an older Tommy Raffo.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm really not defending Lemonizik. I just dont have the solid opinion I normally would have.

I dont think the guy has ever been that good- but shit he won it all. Thank goodness Bednar turned into Superman. You guys got on my ass for questioning him before the crash

I worry about who we can pull firing him 2 years after a Natty with Top 5 recruiting classes on board. It 100% is going to turn some candidates off. Hell, some of you seem to forget he was the HC at Indiana when we hired him. So at best- thats what we will get this time.

It's crazy we are here

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We won't do worse than lane Burroughs. I know that for a fact. So if lane > lemonis, we're still fine.