“I don’t know Barry, seems Hines may be carrying his left a little low. May hurt him in the later rounds…”Quote:
Originally Posted by No BS Dawg
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“I don’t know Barry, seems Hines may be carrying his left a little low. May hurt him in the later rounds…”Quote:
Originally Posted by No BS Dawg
That's what I keep wondering. He's been to the CWS twice in 5 years at a school that doesn't put that much into baseball and just beat LSU 2/3. That's darn sure better than we're going to do this weekend. He knows Starkville, he knows the SEC and this is home.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Sorry don?t want Butch
Who do you want that would come take over this cluster f??Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
If our fans will support NIL, any competent coach will have us in the hosting conversation next year. The days of long rebuilds are over.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
I would usually agree with this sentiment, but in his case, he HAS gone to Omaha twice at school that is usually a league bottom feeder. Obviously him being a former coach at State plays a factor, but its not unearned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
He would be known as much as anyone knows other head coaches names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
I haven't done the research to know the exact number, but I would guess there are VERY few active coaches at programs clearly below ours that have taken their team to the CWS twice. Auburn is an extremely difficult job.
Who else has that on their resume... Other than Bianco?
Not that he's necessarily the best choice, but we could do FAR worse and likely will not hire someone as accomplished as Butch.
Butch is in Y7 at Auburn- missed the tourney his 1st season and in 2021. Will likely make the tourney for 5th time this year with 2 CWS appearances and a Super.
We almost assuredly will not hire someone with that kind of a resume other than him. He is 52 tho and I would prefer someone a little younger
Yeah people acting like Butch wouldn't be a good hire are mistaken. The dude is putting up results at Auburn, which is one of the worst jobs in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He wouldn't be my first call, but he's on the list
I think Butch would be good but he's not the best hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Seriously I don't know what's wrong with people. They come across as Texas fans in the early 2010s thinking they could hire Saban from Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We have great fans, great facilities, and a good history. We have mediocre NIL. Our program needs to be built back up. We are a good landing spot, but not so good as to distinguish ourselves from a Vandy, A&M, etc and lure their coach away. That leaves mid majors, assistants, and Butch as the best options.
Butch is making Omaha 1 out of every 3 years at a school that has no fan support, worse facilities, no tradition, and I can't imagine their boosters are supporting Baseball NIL more than us. He SHOULD be able to have more success here. But even a 50% Supers or Omaha rate of success is great, and that's what he's doing there.
Our fans aren't supporting it. Even diehards on here won't. We have the worst nil fanbase in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Also, Butch has never won a game in Omaha, has never had more than 16 sec wins, and is about to finish .500 or worse in sec for 5th time in 7 years with a bunch of 4th and 5th year guys.
But maybe that's the best we could do given where we are now and our lack of nil
Is there anyway to know our total NIL and the breakdown per sport?
Well if we are going by resumes (re Butch) the guy we have now won a national championship 2 years ago. And Verne Troyer up the road won one last year, would any of you want him?
He?s taken auburn to multiple cws. Don?t be silly buddy. He?s well known and well likedQuote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
Some of you have gotten so singularly focused on one candidate, Haier, that you cannot open yourself up to other possibilities. It is very likely Haier would prefer to stay at Campbell over come here. I do not think some of you realize the shit we are about to eat in the coaching world for firing a coach 2 years removed from a national championship. This is not football where schools are raking in 100 mil plus each and every year.
No school would be stupid enough to release that to anyone not donating 7 figures minimum. You do not let that get out to the general public and have it be used against them in recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Disagree about coaching world turning a noseQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
If we had been competitive, yes, I would agree
Most reasonable coaches would look at this and say - Lemonis shit the bed given where he started
Butch would be option 4 or 5 for me.
I would venture to say that our Baseball NIL is probably better than 90% of NCAA and middle of SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
You mean eating shit for firing a coach who finished last in the conference 2 years in a row.... despite having more resources than his competition? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Baseball is different than football. Thats why you have so many coaches with long careers at one school. Firing Lemon 2 years after a Natty is going to eliminate alot of candidatesQuote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
Doesnt mean we cant hire a good coach- but it will turn off alot of guys.
This is accurate. 2 different animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
and especially no successful coach at a major school would make that jump. We will have to hire a mid-major head or P5 lower, or a top Asst from the SEC/ACCQuote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I have no doubt he'll be back. The point is, with this mammoth collapse, he shouldn't be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
W-L record aside, there are just too many other issues.
Just a point about butch- and I like butch. But he doesn't change pitchers mechanics. Doesn't believe in it. Says it's too hard to change what they have grown up doing. And if you change something and it doesn't work you get blamed. He will try to change arm slot, but not mechanics. He says he just doesn't recruit those guys. Which sounds great in theory....Just a bit of info
Changing mechanics for the sake of changing mechanics is a recipe for an arm injuryQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Changing mechanics based on biomechanic efficiency is another story
He doesn't change them period is my point. Straight out of his mouth to my ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
You know how old we are? We coached against each other 25 years ago. Wow time fliesQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I agree with Butch in that I would not recruit guys that had a major mechanics issue no matter how talented. In this day and age there are too many kids out there that should be pretty solid mechanically. But the biggest problem to me has been our willingness to recruit throwers vs pitchers. I get the mentality of spin rate and arm talent- but you also just have to recruit "pitchers". Guys that can just get people out.
JP France for example. Transferred in from Tulane and had a good year for us his Sr year. Wasnt overpowering but could pitch. Just got called up for the Astros.
Sounds like he can identify talent that can in most cases actually throw strikes. At least they throw more % strikes than the Lemo/Fox system.
Never knew that but I like how he taught our pitchers to attack the bottom half of the zone. . . . . We turned a lot of DP's under Butch. . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I don?t doubt that but if you change arm slot you are changing mechanicsQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I?ve said this for a min now - whether it?s foxhall tinkering or whatQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Graveman was a pitcher - what 90-92 at state - now runs up to 99
Fascinating dude to talk pitching with and how he wants his catchers to receive each pitch
Agree. I was a guy that threw 80 with a very good sinker and split FB that dropped down and in to righties. So I got a shit ton of ground balls. I could 4-seam about 82 at the hands and did that at times to keep hitters honest. I gave up 2 HR's in 2 years of juco with a career ERA in the 3's. I could just pitch.(for context- that's late 80's so ease up on the comparision to today). I knew nobody was coming after me because I didnt throw hard enough to move up a level. And I couldnt hit a slider to play everyday in the SEC. But I do regret not taking that offer to walk-on at Okra U.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
We need more guys that can pitch. Holcombe has alot of talent and his country ass can sling it. But Holcombe is a thrower- not a pitcher. I like the kid. But we need fewer of these of more Cade's.
Technically speaking yes. I'm referring to leg swingers, cross body, tilted shoulders, drop and drive, any of the other hundreds of things that can cause issues. He doesn't touch emQuote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
Homedawg is an outstanding baseball mind. Not just a fanQuote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
kinda explains our pitching recruiting while he was at StateQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Thompson's changing arm slots on Girodo to make a guy that couldnt get anybody out to a guy that was outstanding out of the pen is one of the greatest transformations in coaching I've seen.
I wish Lemonis would figure it out. I like the dude. But I like winning more.
Quote from 34
?We need more guys that can pitch. Holcombe has alot of talent and his country ass can sling it. But Holcombe is a thrower- not a pitcher. I like the kid. But we need fewer of these of more Cade's.?
34, you nailed! Cade is much better imo when he stays in low 90?s, he seems to be throwing more up in the zone, I don?t see him using his breaking ball as much either. Something changed.
JMO
It's the entire world of baseball and I don't like it. Obviously, our problems are worse than the rest. But how bout this stat, outside of skenes LSU's staff era in sec games was 7.15 BEFORE sundays game, one they got routed in!!! Skenes is a game changer and changed that entire team. Just think if we had him and Cade were our sat guy.... others have stated it but that stat points it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34