Pitching Coach Hot Board- Version 1.0

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Well I think first of all I think Foxhall had a crop of pitchers when he got here and ones that were committed that would make any coaches job easier. Small, Ginn, Self, Gordon, Plumlee, etc. Add on to that he then has Bednar, Sims, Harding, McCleod, etc waiting in the wings. He did not have to evaluate a one of them and just had to not screw them up. Since then he has had to evaluate and develop players and I do not think that is his forte at the highest level like we play at.

On Kyle, he is the catchers coach.

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I think he went and got Bednar, right?

I do think evaluation has been our biggest pitfall though. Foxhall did good things with leibelt and Gordon in 2019. Both improved immensely under him. But too many misses in the evaluation process.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

On Kyle, he is the catchers coach.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I think he went and got Bednar, right?

I do think evaluation has been our biggest pitfall though. Foxhall did good things with leibelt and Gordon in 2019. Both improved immensely under him. But too many misses in the evaluation process.

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Bednar was a Lemonis find if I'm not mistaken. He had tried to recruit him at Indiana and he was committed to Ohio St, but when Lem got the job he went back after him.

Cole was stones at the end of 18 so I don't give Foxhall credit on him, but do agree on Leibelt. Kid couldn't get it over the plate in 18 and was great for us in 19.

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Originally Posted by SpaceBully

The thing is in my mind is that FoxHall was as highly thought of as a pitching coach as anyone on this list and maybe more so when we hired him. So what happened after the CWS Championship and him being named the National Assistant College Baseball Coach of the Year? ?

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Because Foxhall is a miss barrels with breaking balls guy, not a throw fastballs, get ahead in the count, and play defense guy. New strike zone is not friendly to a guy who wants to throw sliders out of the zone and get a chase. With the tighter zone hitters will just watch it go by and take their base.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Because Foxhall is a miss barrels with breaking balls guy, not a throw fastballs, get ahead in the count, and play defense guy. New strike zone is not friendly to a guy who wants to throw sliders out of the zone and get a chase. With the tighter zone hitters will just watch it go by and take their base.

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There's a lot of truth to that. I think some of our pitchers also don't have a whole lot of faith in our defense.....and I can't say I blame them.....so they don't risk the ball being put in play sometimes

If Lemo is fired at end of season, is it within reason to try to get the entire Wake F coaching staff? Too much to ask for?

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Because Foxhall is a miss barrels with breaking balls guy, not a throw fastballs, get ahead in the count, and play defense guy. New strike zone is not friendly to a guy who wants to throw sliders out of the zone and get a chase. With the tighter zone hitters will just watch it go by and take their base.

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Lemonis said on his radio show last night that against UT we had 28 three-ball counts. We won only 3 of those. That is horrendous.

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Originally Posted by State82

Lemonis said on his radio show last night that against UT we had 28 three-ball counts. We won only 3 of those. That is horrendous.

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Demoralizing.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Bednar was a Lemonis find if I'm not mistaken. He had tried to recruit him at Indiana and he was committed to Ohio St, but when Lem got the job he went back after him.

Cole was stones at the end of 18 so I don't give Foxhall credit on him, but do agree on Leibelt. Kid couldn't get it over the plate in 18 and was great for us in 19.

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Just read the 247 article from 2018 when he committed. He spoke well of foxhall and lemonis, but said that when he de committed from Ohio state in the summer of 2018 it was Cheese who first reached out to him, for whatever that's worth.

Interestingly, how three finalists were us, Bama, and wake forest.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Time to fire it up!!!

1. Corey Muscara (Wake Forest)- I think this is the guy everyone has circled for the better part of a month. He would be an incredible hire. Has worked wonders at Wake since he's been there and was very good at Maryland and St Johns before that.

2. Josh McDonald (UCONN)- Has been with Jim Penders at UCONN a very long time but is regarded as one of the best pitching coaches in all of baseball. Coached AA's in 6 of the last 7 seasons.

3. Brady Kirkpatrick (Duke)- First year at Duke and has lowered the team ERA from 5.89 to 3.60. Was at FAU before that and they pitched it well last year.

4. Nate Yeskie (A&M)- It will probably take a big time offer to get him but if you could get him he's the grand slam hire. He's probably not as realistic as the first 3 but outside of Wes he is probably the best pitching coach in college baseball.

5. Drew Dickinson (UVA)- Has been with UVA for 4 years and the last 3 years his staff has a 3.67 team ERA. We saw up close and personal how effective his pitchers were in 21 and if it wasn't for just a special group of seniors we lose that game.

6. Christian Ostrander (USM)- A lot of people wanted to go get him last year. Has always had a great starting rotation at USM and would be able to recruit even higher quality guys here. He's going to be tough to pull though because a lot down in Hattiesburg seem to think he's content to wait on Berry to retire.

I know I left off plenty of names, but this was just my initial list. Add whoever you want and I'll add them to the list.

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Another thing about the wake forest guy: wake's head coach and hitting guy have been there since 2010. They had only made a regional twice, in 2016 and 2017, were only a total of 15 games over .500 in 11 seasons, and had numerous losing seasons, including in 2021.

For 2022, they get a new pitching coach, Muscara, and make a regional and now in 2023 will be a top 8 seed with one of, if not the, best staffs in the country (2.40 team era, a 5 to 1 strikeout to walk ratio, and a .198 batting average against).

and he recognizes his pitcher's different traits and utilizes them..........

I havent seen it metioned anywhere and if I’m waaay off base…. what about Roy Oswalt? or Papelbon? Pipe dream? Just fishing guys…. dont beat me up.

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Originally Posted by SaintDawg

I havent seen it metioned anywhere and if I’m waaay off base…. what about Roy Oswalt? or Papelbon? Pipe dream? Just fishing guys…. dont beat me up.

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99% of guys like that dont want the 12 month a year job of being a college coach

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Originally Posted by SaintDawg

I havent seen it metioned anywhere and if I’m waaay off base…. what about Roy Oswalt? or Papelbon? Pipe dream? Just fishing guys…. dont beat me up.

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Those guys don't want full time commitments. They've made their money and don't need anymore enough to commit to not doing what they want to do for 12 months a year.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Those guys don't want full time commitments. They've made their money and don't need anymore enough to commit to not doing what they want to do for 12 months a year.

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Wonder if Oswalt would come help out the rest of the season. Just to help ur pitchers. He's in Starkville isn't he? I bet he'd know when to make moves, better calls on pitching choice

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Just read the 247 article from 2018 when he committed. He spoke well of foxhall and lemonis, but said that when he de committed from Ohio state in the summer of 2018 it was Cheese who first reached out to him, for whatever that's worth.

Interestingly, how three finalists were us, Bama, and wake forest.

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It doesn't matter but foxhall got him.

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Originally Posted by SaintDawg

I havent seen it metioned anywhere and if I’m waaay off base…. what about Roy Oswalt? or Papelbon? Pipe dream? Just fishing guys…. dont beat me up.

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Pipe dream. No

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Wonder if Oswalt would come help out the rest of the season. Just to help ur pitchers. He's in Starkville isn't he? I bet he'd know when to make moves, better calls on pitching choice

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No. No he won't. He want to hunt, fish and figure out how to manage his money.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

No. No he won't. He want to hunt, fish and figure out how to manage his money.

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Haha well hopefully he's gotten his turkey so nothing left to hunt. Maybe he'll be willing to fill in for a month then get back to fishing

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Haha well hopefully he's gotten his turkey so nothing left to hunt. Maybe he'll be willing to fill in for a month then get back to fishing

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We'd have to work practice and games around the 44 Prime Happy Hour schedule for Roy to even consider it

If we hire a former player as PC it's probably going to be Chris Young.

And I doubt we hire Chris Young.

I think we're going to throw a lot of money at Muscara and if he says no go after someone like Ostrander or someone at Dallas Baptist.

Much will hinge on whether Lemo is still the HC after the end of May. Then Selmon has to contend with a HC search which will consist of other HC's and top assistants who are involved in regionals/Supers and Omaha. Shaping up for some Juicy times

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If we hire a former player as PC it's probably going to be Chris Young.

And I doubt we hire Chris Young.

I think we're going to throw a lot of money at Muscara and if he says no go after someone like Ostrander or someone at Dallas Baptist.

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I'm just talking about for the rest of the season. Not permanent

I'm pretty certain and guessing that there want be a PC coached named for the remaining few games. Regardless, if Lemonis is back or gone it's a wait see till season ends. I feel Lemonis and Selman's meeting when discussing Foxhall, the subject of Lemonis's future was brought up and told what to expect for remaining games. It's still a business, Lemonis knows he is on an extremely hot seat with no guarantee for next year.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

Much will hinge on whether Lemo is still the HC after the end of May. Then Selmon has to contend with a HC search which will consist of other HC's and top assistants who are involved in regionals/Supers and Omaha. Shaping up for some Juicy times

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He will be the coach in 2024, unless we get swept in all three remaining series (and may be back even with that).

Yeah I havent heard anything about us firing him at this point

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

It doesn't matter but foxhall got him.

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That's what I had always been told.

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

He will be the coach in 2024, unless we get swept in all three remaining series (and may be back even with that).

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Do not discount this possibility.

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

Do not discount this possibility.

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It's pretty likely at this point. Regardless, if I were AD, my decision would already be made. Whatever that decision is.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

It's pretty likely at this point. Regardless, if I were AD, my decision would already be made. Whatever that decision is.

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Agreed, and the decision should be "make a Regional and keep your job, otherwise fired" as it should have been before the season started

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Agreed, and the decision should be "make a Regional and keep your job, otherwise fired" as it should have been before the season started

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The next 9 Sec games will decide Lemonis future at MSU.

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Originally Posted by basedog

The next 9 Sec games will decide Lemonis future at MSU.

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If that's the actual case he gone. Last 9 aren't gonna be pretty

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

No. No he won't. He want to hunt, fish and figure out how to manage his money.

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Ha! Looks like you may wrong? again?

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Originally Posted by TNDawg35

Ha! Looks like you may wrong? again?

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I didn't realize we had named him as our pitching coach.... but thanks for pointing out all the times I've been wrong. I'll put my record of right and wrong against anyone on this board.

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Originally Posted by basedog

The next 9 Sec games will decide Lemonis future at MSU.

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No it wont. Lemonizik has been the CWS in 2 of his 4 seasons. We arent firing him. He will get another year if we go 0-9. I'm 95% sure of it.

He has another highly rated recruiting class. He will get 1 more year

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No it wont. Lemonizik has been the CWS in 2 of his 4 seasons. We arent firing him. He will get another year if we go 0-9. I'm 95% sure of it.

He has another highly rated recruiting class. He will get 1 more year

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Concur.

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

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Hope you're not talking about this year.

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Originally Posted by TNDawg35

Ha! Looks like you may wrong? again?

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You're basing this off of a tweet where Oswalt tweeted a picture of Bully? LOL.

I mean there is no reason for MSU to not announce him as interim PC if that is indeed the case but I'm pretty sure if that's what Lemonis wanted to do he would have said so on Monday.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No it wont. Lemonizik has been the CWS in 2 of his 4 seasons. We arent firing him. He will get another year if we go 0-9. I'm 95% sure of it.

He has another highly rated recruiting class. He will get 1 more year

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If he goes 0-9 we'll see what the big boosters have to say about that. A lot of them are not happy. And I don't think firing Foxhall while needed is a get out of jail free card for Chris.

Personally I think he is most likely coming back as long as we look somewhat decent and win a few games. But 0-9 I think they would pull the trigger.

I may be completely wrong about this- but I think the pitching is going get better. At least if we manage the staff better it would be an improvement. We've lost by my unofficial count 8 games because of Foxhall's asshat-ery.

Was Fox in charge of when to make a pitch change?