I still love that guy. I hate he torpedoed his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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I still love that guy. I hate he torpedoed his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I would hire him tomorrow. He could probably even get this team to the tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Going with someone you're more familiar with (as in an assistant somewhere) is not the way to go, IMO. He needs to bring in a proven veteran and nobody knows our program and our culture better than Butch.
You guys have to remember that the players are the ones that turned on him. Guys like McNamee and the mayor turned him in. I don't know that you can go rehire a coach that your alumni are the ones that turned against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
And Rooker and TA loved him. We can play the alumni game til the cows come home. Also, not sure I would be using Jake Mangum and Elijah Macnamee as our moral compasses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Gross. We can do better. Ostranded is great. If Lane Burroughs was Joe Schmoe and coached at Alabama instead of Statw, he wouldn?t be mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Rob Vaughn MarylandQuote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
So back to grounding ourselves in reality, myself included, here's what I would consider a realistic list of candidates in no particular order.
1. Matt Deggs- In his 4th year at ULL. Took them to the tourney last year and looks to be building them back up to what they were during the Robichaux days. Was at Sam Houston St before ULL and was incredible there. Two tourneys and a Super in a conference that's only ever a one bid league.
2. Cliff Godwin- In his 9th year at ECU. Only missed the tourney once and has been to 3 straight Super Regionals. Was on Bianco's staff at OM as well as on staff with Mainieri at both ND and LSU.
3. Butch Thompson- Don't really think we need much of a bio on Butch.
4. Lane Burroughs- Again, probably don't need much of a bio on Lane.
5. John Szefc- VT coach in his 6th season. Was at Maryland before and was elite there. Went to back to back Supers and has finally built Va Tech back up as well. Just came off a Super last year and ranked 11th currently.
6. Brian O'Connor- In his 19th year at Virginia. Has won a national championship. Been to Omaha 5 times as well. This would probably be a home run realistic hire since I doubt Corbin or Vitello will pick up the phone.
7. Elliot Avent- In his 25th year at NC State. Built them up from nothing. Been to Omaha twice and of course probably would've played us in the championship series in 2021 had Vandy not tattled. Also has a ton of respect for our program and our fans.
8. Justin Haire- Head coach at Campbell. Been to the last 4 tournaments and was here in Starkville in 2021. A real program builder and if we go outside of the box a bit he would get a call.
9. Jordan Bischel- Head coach at Central Michigan. I've been high on him since the 19 regional they played in Starkville. His team is gritty but they play loose and have fun. He's also a very charismatic and energetic personality. Also been to the tourney every year he's been at CMU.
10. Nate Thompson- Asst coach and recruiting coordinator at Arkansas. If we go the asst route this is probably the guy we need to target. He's been their hitting coach since 2017 and as we've seen over the last few years they get up there and look like they're swinging tree trunks.
***Wild Cards***
1. Pat Casey- Probably be worth giving him a call to see if he's interested. Multiple national championships and built the Oregon St baseball program. Been out of the game for 5 years and if we could get him for 3-4 years and let him groom and asst it would be a good scenario for us.
2. Jim Schlossnagle- He obviously wanted the job and depending on who you talk to had verbally accepted the job in 18. He's been openly frustrated by some stuff at A&M this year so may be worth seeing if he would want out of that situation.
3. Jake Gautreau- I've added him to the WC's because I don't think he would get a look if the staff was let go, but if you think you've got something special with him, which I believe we do, he may be worth a shot.
I?d add Nate Yeskie to the list
I thought about Nate and honestly I thought he was at Oregon St as the HC. No clue he was with Schloss at A&M. Yes, I would definitely have him on any list.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
Nate Thompson seems right. I like how Arkansas hits the ball. They choke in Omaha, but very good otherwise.
Plus Arkansas are stellar in recruiting. Recruiting MSU type of players in the MSU regions for recruiting from the same Elite squads.
Link Jarrett. He is back at his alma mater but we can pay more and are a higher profile program (at least for now).
He's got more SEC wins this year than us. He's highly thought of. He's in the top 5 IMO. Godwin probably is at the top. Deggs is likely in there too, since he got a short look before. Then there are the big timers that will be tough pulls but you try anyway. After seeing the Three Bucketeers win a Natty, a good coach should see they can too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Admittedly I don't follow baseball much (not even State baseball), but wasn't he fired from every job he's had since we fired him? We're talking about Andy Cannizaro right? Sorry if I'm mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Let?s be certain of this?
If we can Lemonis, and it?s looking more and more likely, I fully believe MSU can go get a quality coach. It may not be the very top candidate, but we can get a top 15 coach in the country.
Lemonis was just decent at Indiana, and we are seeing why.
Well he has only had one. And that was more a daddy ball situation than Andy’s performance. I have told that story multiple times. The gist, Cann thought the program should be going one way and the daddies who wanted their sons to start thought it should be going another. Words were exchanged.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
There was more to it than that. That was his side of the story. Administration was troubled about allegations that had nothing to do with playing time.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
This and he also had issues before we hired him, but we hired him anyways. We took a chance because he has some talents in baseball but there was a reason no one hired before us and no one has hired him since. His personal life is destroying his professional life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
He wins. At a certain point, you have to ask yourself what your line in the sand is. I've said all along that he may not be a great person, but he has broken no laws. That doesn't mean I condone what he did, because I don't but I know what are program trajectory was under him. We don't have that trajectory under Chris. I've been on record multiple times in the past months saying that I would have suspended for the rest of the year and reevaluated the situation in June. I don't really care that Jake Mangum didn't like him. Our program is bigger than one player. Always has been and always will be. Jake didn't like him for a few reasons, most of them had nothing to do with Cannizarro texting his sidepiece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
It's so strange to see posters bash Jake Mangum (probably our #1 most legendary player of the 21st century) and Elijah Macnamee (also in the top 5) in order to take up for ... Andy Cannizzaro?? Seriously guys?
You didn't see what I did. I don't really have a whole lot of respect for Jake Mangum. Great athlete and great player, but so was Brent Rooker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Burroughs and butch should be high on the list. Not saying they’re at the top but they are absolutely solid baseball guys and I believe would get us back goin. I’m sure there’s someone flashier that is higher up but I’d be 100% happy with either of them.
I think when you are at his age, already been fired in disgrace from a top job and a private HS fires you for more bad judgements, including a situation that could have turned criminal if charges were made and/or an accident occurred,part of your stance about criminal is that he was fortunate it didn't turn criminal. It's no longer red flags it's a huge neon sign flashing Do Not Hire. He cannot exercise good judgement in his personal life, had horrible judgement with HS players (not the playing time junk but something more severe) that actually involves players...bad judgements at multiple programs now. This type of decision making individual cannot be a part of running a program. Defend all you want but he couldn't get a second chance at DII or DIII tells you we only know about a select few skeletons in his closet. There are more.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
This everyday! Not only that he with all his contacts in mlb he can't even sniff an mlb job and they look the other way on just about everything so the fact he's unhireable at every level of baseball should tell you all you need to know. He's radioactive. Just like you said if you can't keep your personal life straight(and the affairs are only one of his issues), then you can't run a program of any size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Skeletons in the closet, national championships in the trophy cases. You have to decide what you're willing to accept. I've made my stance on it. And at the end it doesn't matter because I'm not the one making the decision. What I saw was a guy who took a team worse than we've had the last two years and took them within two games of Omaha. I mean we were pitching position players on the weekend and winning. No one, including me, is saying that Andy hasn't completely f'd his life up. Because he has. But hell, Hugh Freeze is back on the sidelines and he was doing the same and worse. I guess I'm willing to take that risk because I know what the reward is. Probably why I wouldn't be a good AD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Well, we have an entire football stadium on multiple Injun bones. What are a few more skeletons in the closet going to do??Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
It's kind of a moot point anyways. We're not hiring cann and nobody else is either.
Exactly! Trust me we can't piss the Injuns off too much more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Correct. It doesn't matter because he won't be hired. If he keeps his nose clean for the next 3 to 4 years then someone may bring him on as an asst or maybe a school like SELA or Northwestern St will decide the risk is worth it to hire him as the HC.
I agree with this. If he can keep it between the ditches for that amount of time he'll get another shot. Hope he has the discipline to do because he has a ton of baseball knowledge thats being wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I guess the injuns decided that NC was enough pleasure for us to have in this century, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
His problem is that when he has too much time on his hands the problems start popping up. I mean look at his first year. He gets here in November and takes over the program and by the time he gets moved into his office it's February and it's time for baseball. He's completely focused on the season and the results showed that. The problems began in July, August, and September. When he didn't have anything to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Well when he stays straight for 4 years or so then its easier to move that line to acceptance. He's not there yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Yeah I've known several people like that. Talented but just don't have any self discipline when they're not on task. Shame too.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Yep there are consequences for actions and dues that have to be paid first. He's young enough to get it together if he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
More SEC wins this year isn't saying much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
He's a good coach, doesn't mean he's ready or deserving of this job. I like Lane, doesn't mean he should be in the top 5 coaches for this job.
He's been to 2 regionals in 7 years at LA Tech.
I mentioned this elsewhere, there are 2 coaches in Louisiana that are arguably better than him... yet only 1 of them kind of gets mentioned. The other? Not at all.
Why is that? Cause Burroughs "is a State guy".
Who are the other two guys?
1. Matt Deggs - ULL. His name has been mentioned some. But not as much as Lane. Deggs has 3 Regional appearances, as well as 1 Super Regional appearance.
2. Matt Riser - SEL. 4 regionals in 9 years.
I'm even advocating for either. Simply pointing out that those 2 have been and are better coaches, yet we aren't even mentioned them.
I can name 15 guys right now that are better options and realistic options.
1. Dan Heefner - DBU
2. Rob Vaughn - Maryland
3. Chris Pollard - Duke
4. John Szefc - Va Tech
5. Jordan Bischell - CMU
6. Justin Haire - Campbell
7. Mark Calvi - USA
8. Greg Lovelady - UCF
9. Butch Thompson - Auburn
10. Monte Lee - uSC hitting coach
11. Casey Dunn - UAB
12. Robert Woodard - Charlotte
13. Matt Deggs - ULL
14. Todd Interdonato - Wofford
15. Mark Wasikowski - Oregon
You could make arguments against some. But that list is virtually better than Burroughs.
I really like Calvi. He recruited my son and he's a sharp guy and very cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Like I said above, baseball is not something I get wrapped up in. However, clearly there's no excuse for us to totally suck...like none. Something has gone wrong and to me it's pretty obvious a wholesale change needs to be made. I just don't know is there any advantage to firing everyone during the season to get a jump on the top coaches like in football? Or do you just ride it out until the season is over?
Lane has only had 5 seasons at LT. 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Regionals the last two, which had not been done in consecutive years there in 35 years.
39 wins in 2018 but got left out.
We will see what he does this year. He's built a program there and is a viable candidate.
I wouldn't put any of those lesser names ahead of him. La Tech is a dying athletics dept now that they're stuck in a terrible conference. He will do more with less. Many of those we aren't interest in and some aren't interested in us. There's a fit issue with several of those guys. Not that they're bad coaches. You can mark off Heefner and Butch and Calvi right off the bat. Interdonato, Dunn, Lee as well. Lee was an awful head coach by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
We're going to pull better than that list or mine I believe.