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01-20-2023, 02:47 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

It's not just Friend now though is it. Honestly I don't think we miss a thing from the recruiting side at all and with both Friend and Schmidt as OL coaches it's a wash at worse. Friend is a better position coach in my opinion but I know you disagree. He has OL groups grade out extremely well over multiple stops for over a decade. I believe in total it's an upgrade, coaching and recruiting. I knew you wouldn't though and that's why I said we would end up agreeing to disagree. And you know I really like Mason too.

Maybe you'll be right. In the words of John Correrro, "One can only hope so Jack". And you are right, I thought a lot of Mason as a coach, recruiter, and just an overall great person.
01-20-2023, 02:52 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Maybe you'll be right. In the words of John Correrro, "One can only hope so Jack". And you are right, I thought a lot of Mason as a coach, recruiter, and just an overall great person.

Lol. So very true!
01-20-2023, 02:55 PM
StarkVegasSteve

And the good news is, if this doesn't work out, you can fire Arnett pretty fast. You don't have to give him the normal 3-4 years, Moorhead was an exception due to locker room issues. You could pull the plug on this pretty quickly if you saw it spiraling. This wasn't a normal hire, and our new AD, who will make DAMN sure we don't suck at football, didn't make the hire.
01-20-2023, 02:59 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And the good news is, if this doesn't work out, you can fire Arnett pretty fast. You don't have to give him the normal 3-4 years, Moorhead was an exception due to locker room issues. You could pull the plug on this pretty quickly if you saw it spiraling. This wasn't a normal hire, and our new AD, who will make DAMN sure we don't suck at football, didn't make the hire.

Yep! With a return to the Air Raid!!

My early list of Arnett replacements:
Zach Kittley
Garret Riley
Eric Morris
Tyson Helton
01-20-2023, 03:01 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by KB21

Yep! With a return to the Air Raid!!

Well no one is going to run the Mike Leach Air Raid ever again. It is dead. We would run some version of the Riley,Dykes, Holgorsen Air Raid. Which has a lot more focus on the run game, especially Dana and Lincoln.
01-20-2023, 03:01 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And the good news is, if this doesn't work out, you can fire Arnett pretty fast. You don't have to give him the normal 3-4 years, Moorhead was an exception due to locker room issues. You could pull the plug on this pretty quickly if you saw it spiraling. This wasn't a normal hire, and our new AD, who will make DAMN sure we don't suck at football, didn't make the hire.

Thats a good point. I don't see it happening necessarily but you never know. ZA is damn sharp and at this point he has earned the title of the new Ninja. Hahaha He has kept a bunch of things tight to the vest and have come out of left field. All the ones who kept on that he has no clue what he is doing, no plans, etc. They were so completely wrong it's not funny.
01-20-2023, 03:03 PM
ZedFedder

Can we ban KB21? It?s clear his goal on this board, and it makes it worse for everyone else.
01-20-2023, 03:06 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

Can we ban KB21? It?s clear his goal on this board, and it makes it worse for everyone else.

Nah. It is a message board and certain people have their schtick. He may turn out to be right and will unmercifully troll everyone or he may be wrong and get unmercifully trolled. Hell C34 has been wrong more times than anyone would care to count and he is still here. Hell for that matter, I have been wrong a bunch and am still here.
01-20-2023, 03:08 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Thats a good point. I don't see it happening necessarily but you never know. ZA is damn sharp and at this point he has earned the title of the new Ninja. Hahaha He has kept a bunch of things tight to the vest and have come out of left field. All the ones who kept on that he has no clue what he is doing, no plans, etc. They were so completely wrong it's not funny.

Well and that is what is left to be seen. He may be correct and this may be the way to go to win big. It is just so important to nail every hire going forward with the CFP expanding to 12 in 2024. We may not can win it, but we can be in it with the right staff and players.
01-20-2023, 03:09 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Well no one is going to run the Mike Leach Air Raid ever again. It is dead. We would run some version of the Riley,Dykes, Holgorsen Air Raid. Which has a lot more focus on the run game, especially Dana and Lincoln.

The Air Raid will live forever! https://theathletic.com/4060436/2023...coaching-tree/
01-20-2023, 03:11 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by KB21

The Air Raid will live forever! https://theathletic.com/4060436/2023...coaching-tree/

Yes. A version of it will. But not the Mike Leach version. He is the only one that was successful running his version. Everyone else incorporated a run game. The running part of it is the brainchild of Art Briles and Dana Holgorsen and that is the new and IMO better version of the Air Raid
01-20-2023, 03:17 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Yes. A version of it will. But not the Mike Leach version. He is the only one that was successful running his version. Everyone else incorporated a run game. The running part of it is the brainchild of Art Briles and Dana Holgorsen and that is the new and IMO better version of the Air Raid

.....and I don't take any issue with Air Raid guys who run the ball. I personally wouldn't run it much, but as long as your base stuff terminology is Air Raid, I'm fine with it.
01-20-2023, 03:24 PM
trob115

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Originally Posted by KB21

A much better staff would have been:

OC - Chris Hatcher
WRs/Passing Game Coordinator - Drew Hollingshead
OL/Run Game Coordinator - Mason Miller
iWR - Adam Shaker
RBs - Trey Tinsley

When are you going to get it that Hollingshead was never staying. He was only staying if made OC.
01-20-2023, 03:30 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by trob115

When are you going to get it that Hollingshead was never staying. He was only staying if made OC.

And that Chris Hatcher wasn't going to leave Samford to be our OC. Guys has been a HC for 22 years, his only move is to be a HC somewhere else.
01-20-2023, 03:41 PM
KB21

I think Hatcher would have taken the job and Hollingshead would have stayed with more responsibility and higher pay.
01-20-2023, 03:44 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by KB21

I think Hatcher would have taken the job and Hollingshead would have stayed with more responsibility and higher pay.

Homedawg may want to check me on this but I heard we reached out to Hatcher and he said no thanks. He wasn't interested.
01-20-2023, 03:45 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by KB21

I think Hatcher would have taken the job and Hollingshead would have stayed with more responsibility and higher pay.

Hatcher was not coming here to be oc. My cousin is his defensive coordinator at samford and Hatcher would only leaving for a better hc job. period.
01-20-2023, 03:49 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Hatcher was not coming here to be oc. My cousin is his defensive coordinator at samford and Hatcher would only leaving for a better hc job. period.

OK then. Just replace his name with Ben Arbuckle.
01-20-2023, 03:54 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Hatcher was not coming here to be oc. My cousin is his defensive coordinator at samford and Hatcher would only leaving for a better hc job. period.

Yeah, Hatch's brother coaches a friends kids in Macon and told him the same.
01-20-2023, 03:55 PM
PendingTransaction

Accept it. Arnett didn't like the AR offense and is not attempting to carry on the CML legend. Since he was sure that he was changing the offense, it makes perfectly good sense to move on from the AR loyalists coaches. He went out and got guys who would buy his vision, not what was. Thus, his choice to not keep your favorite coach or your better coach was the right move. Now he has to bring success from his vision.
01-20-2023, 03:56 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

Accept it. Arnett didn't like the AR offense and is not attempting to carry on the CML legend. Since he was sure that he was changing the offense, it makes perfectly good sense to move on from the AR loyalists coaches. He went out and got guys who would buy his vision, not what was. Thus, his choice to not keep your favorite coach or your better coach was the right move. Now he has to bring success from his vision.

So, then Arnett is stupid then. Got it.
01-20-2023, 04:05 PM
BiscuitEater

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Originally Posted by KB21

Downgraded essentially every offensive coaching position.

Meant to type 'Upgraded!'
01-20-2023, 04:07 PM
BiscuitEater

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

What is RGC? Right guard coach?

Or' Run Game Coordinator?'
01-20-2023, 04:11 PM
PendingTransaction

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, then Arnett is stupid then. Got it.

Well you may be qualified to assess Arnett as a stupid but I have my doubts. He has had a front row seat as to the effectiveness of the AR. I would bet that he has a pretty good grasp of its strengths and weaknesses, especially as the departed coaches would have deployed it. The best thing you and others can do is to accept that we're not going to run the AR, it has transitioned to the great beyond. Get behind Coach Arnett and see if he can win. Hell, I could make a damn book with the posts made over the last 3 years bemoaning the AR.
01-20-2023, 04:11 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, then Arnett is stupid then. Got it.

Yeah the guy that won us the egg bowl and our bowl game to end the year is stupid.... or atleast not as smart as a poster.,...
01-20-2023, 04:12 PM
Matt3467

I think if our we still suck 2 years later we should all give rep to KB21. If not.....
01-20-2023, 04:16 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

Well you may be qualified to assess Arnett as a stupid but I have my doubts. He has had a front row seat as to the effectiveness of the AR. I would bet that he has a pretty good grasp of its strengths and weaknesses, especially as the departed coaches would have deployed it. The best thing you and others can do is to accept that we're not going to run the AR, it has transitioned to the great beyond. Get behind Coach Arnett and see if he can win. Hell, I could make a damn book with the posts made over the last 3 years bemoaning the AR.

There are no weaknesses in the air raid. It's the best offensive system in football.

What we have is the typical meathead defensive minded head coach who believes you have to establish the run first and foremost to win, so instead of staying in the Air Raid family, he's decided to go with a run heavy pro style offense that is going to get smacked in the SEC.
01-20-2023, 04:33 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

There are no weaknesses in the air raid. It's the best offensive system in football.

This has to be shtick. I liked the AR, but I would never seriously say anything like this.
01-20-2023, 04:36 PM
Really Clark?

We keep arguing with a cultist of the Air Raid. Anyone who spews ignorance like "There is no weakness in the Air Raid" is brain washed. And I like the Air Raid offense!! Have no problems if we had stayed in that genre. But to think that it's the only system that works and is devoted to it more so than supporting our coaches and school...that's a special level of dipshittery.
01-20-2023, 04:37 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, then Arnett is stupid then. Got it.

No, obviously that's you.
01-20-2023, 04:38 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

We keep arguing with a cultist of the Air Raid. Anyone who spews ignorance like "There is no weakness in the Air Raid" is brain washed. And I like the Air Raid offense!! Have no problems if we had stayed in that genre. But to think that it's the only system that works and is devoted to it more so than supporting our coaches and school...that's a special level of dipshittery.

Well, it's true. The air raid has an answer for every coverage and every defense you can throw at it.
01-20-2023, 04:38 PM
PendingTransaction

We might get smacked. But you're absolutely right about one thing, it won't be with the AR. Try to come to grips with this fact.
01-20-2023, 04:40 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

We might get smacked. But you're absolutely right about one thing, it won't be with the AR. Try to come to grips with this fact.

Some need to come to grips with the fact that we are going to get smacked BECAUSE we are abandoning the air raid.
01-20-2023, 04:55 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Some need to come to grips with the fact that we are going to get smacked BECAUSE we are abandoning the air raid.

You could very well be right. I'm not sure can recruit well enough to be the team that can pound the ball. I don't believe we could have beaten Auburn at Auburn 2 years ago without the air raid offense. We were down 25 points and came back to win primarily with good accurate passing by Will and great catches by Polk and others.
01-20-2023, 04:57 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

Well you may be qualified to assess Arnett as a stupid but I have my doubts. He has had a front row seat as to the effectiveness of the AR. I would bet that he has a pretty good grasp of its strengths and weaknesses, especially as the departed coaches would have deployed it. The best thing you and others can do is to accept that we're not going to run the AR, it has transitioned to the great beyond. Get behind Coach Arnett and see if he can win. Hell, I could make a damn book with the posts made over the last 3 years bemoaning the AR.

spot on
01-20-2023, 04:57 PM
KOdawg1

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, then Arnett is stupid then. Got it.

Yep. The guy who is the sole reason we won 9 games this year is stupid
01-20-2023, 04:58 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Well, it's true. The air raid has an answer for every coverage and every defense you can throw at it.

And I can draw a play on a napkin that a jr high team can score against the cowboys, too.
01-20-2023, 04:58 PM
KOdawg1

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

We keep arguing with a cultist of the Air Raid. Anyone who spews ignorance like "There is no weakness in the Air Raid" is brain washed. And I like the Air Raid offense!! Have no problems if we had stayed in that genre. But to think that it's the only system that works and is devoted to it more so than supporting our coaches and school...that's a special level of dipshittery.

I've said it before... we have some fans who became more fans of the air raid than Mississippi State. It's a strange position to be in. Putting an offensive philosophy over an entire team.
01-20-2023, 04:59 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Some need to come to grips with the fact that we are going to get smacked BECAUSE we are abandoning the air raid.

Cause we never got smacked WITH the AR. smdh.
01-20-2023, 05:02 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

You could very well be right. I'm not sure can recruit well enough to be the team that can pound the ball. I don't believe we could have beaten Auburn at Auburn 2 years ago without the air raid offense. We were down 25 points and came back to win primarily with good accurate passing by Will and great catches by Polk and others.

I am concerned about this. We need a system that allows us to win games as the less talented team. Whether that is the AR or single wing, I don't care. But we need it.

The AR had us on the 8-4 track without a playmaker at qb. I hope we can continue that.

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