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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

We need WRs. We will be right back to when we raised hell about not having any under Mullen. We have 2 right now that are reliable game to game. We need more than just TE.

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Our receivers had the lowest drop rate in the conference. What we need is a quarterback, as much as you don’t want to admit it.

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Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked

It?s amazing how our NIL doubled within a few weeks of Cohen leaving.

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Lol...

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Our receivers had the lowest drop rate in the conference. What we need is a quarterback, as much as you don’t want to admit it.

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We need both. But we don't need to take guys at those positions just to have a body. We need to take guys we believe can come in and contribute.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We need both. But we don't need to take guys at those positions just to have a body. We need to take guys we believe can come in and contribute.

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We have a quarterback that would be playing at an extremely mediocre P5 program or higher level G5 program if he left Mississippi State. We need a quarterback that is good enough to play in this league a lot more than we need anything else on offense. It’s painfully obvious.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Our offense has sucked against anyone worth a shit and Arnett saw it up close and personal. He?s trying to fix that side of the ball, because it?s broken.

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Yeah but fixing it didn't necessarily mean you had to burn it to the ground. I think most here would agree that a few tweaks would've prolly been sufficient.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

1. Portal opens back up after spring ball. We're not finding any more impact players this late in the juncture. I do agree with you on TEs. We're going to have to grab one after spring ball or move Harmon because WE ARE NOT MOVING ROBINSON TO TE. I know you didn't say it, but I want to cut that off before someone mentions it.

2. Other schools offering our guys money is going to happen 365 days a year now. Just like I know we're putting those same feelers out to kids. Everyone is doing it so you have to accept that. Agree on needing an OC hire ASAP. It's taking far too long and shows Arnett's inexperience in the big chair.

3. Turner is meh, Friend is a decent hire, and I have no clue why we brought back Bumphis. At least Friend and Turner have experience and recruiting connections in the area. None are upgrades over their predecessors though. It will be paramount to keep Washington and hire an OC with Texas connections. We can't lose that pipeline. We've already lost Louisiana and some of Georgia. We can't lose Texas as well.

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Who have we signed from Texas lately that has been a starter or impact player since Ross many moons ago?

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We have a quarterback that would be playing at an extremely mediocre P5 program or higher level G5 program if he left Mississippi State. We need a quarterback that is good enough to play in this league a lot more than we need anything else on offense. It’s painfully obvious.

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Well he has another team much bigger than that, that wants him sooo...

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Well he has another team much bigger than that, that wants him sooo...

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Cool. Good luck to him. He hasn’t been playing well here at all.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Well he has another team much bigger than that, that wants him sooo...

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I can confirm this as well. As much as some on here hate the idea of another year of Will, there are sec and other power 5 programs that would take him today.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Cool. Good luck to him. He hasn’t been playing well here at all.

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Agree with you 100% on the offence. But that's a stretch.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We have a quarterback that would be playing at an extremely mediocre P5 program or higher level G5 program if he left Mississippi State. We need a quarterback that is good enough to play in this league a lot more than we need anything else on offense. It’s painfully obvious.

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I'm not that out on Will. I do believe we need to bring in competition, but quality competition. If you could somehow get in the game with Sanders at OSU that would be perfect. It would allow Parson to sit for a year and then get ready. If we bring in a young guy then we risk losing him and Will. Outside of Sanders though there's not really anyone in the portal now that is enticing. Whatever happens at Bama with Ty Simpson will be worth monitoring, although I doubt Saban is dumb enough to name a starter in the spring and risk one of them transferring. I'd also monitor what happens at Georgia with Stockton and Vandagriff as well as at Miami and Tennessee

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

I can confirm this as well. As much as some on here hate the idea of another year of Will, there are sec and other power 5 programs that would take him today.

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And we would be left with NOTHING if he left. We would be starting a not fully healthy TRUE FRESHMAN who has no backup. I don't like our odds in that situation.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Agree with you 100% on the offence. But that's a stretch.

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It’s not a stretch. He was awful in 6 conference games and awful in the bowl game. Not sure what you watched when we played LSU, Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Illinois but he was really bad in all of those games and we won 3 of them in spite of his play.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And we would be left with NOTHING if he left. We would be starting a not fully healthy TRUE FRESHMAN who has no backup. I don't like our odds in that situation.

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Or we would go to the portal like literally everyone else does.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And we would be left with NOTHING if he left. We would be starting a not fully healthy TRUE FRESHMAN who has no backup. I don't like our odds in that situation.

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Obviously next year isn't the time to start a brand new QB when we are close to a great season, but Will was a true freshman when he first started. Why can't Parson?

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Who have we signed from Texas lately that has been a starter or impact player since Ross many moons ago?

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Well Jalen Green started for the last two years. Marcus Banks, who will probably start for us next year is originally from Texas. Hunter Washington is from Texas. Hell, Chris Parson is originally from Texas.

But we need to recruit as many players from the state of Texas as possible. They're 10x the football state MS is. We need to stop falling in love with 2 stars from D'Iberville because it worked a couple of times. There's 5x as many that didn't. Go recruit Duncanville, Southlake, Westlake, Katy, South Oak Cliff, North Shore. Because here's the thing, start a pipeline and you'll have eyes on your program from these schools so that when their next 5 star comes along, which happens almost every year, you may have an in. You've got to be in the game to play it.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Or we would go to the portal like literally everyone else does.

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And do you see anyone in the portal at the moment that is markedly better than Will? I don't. And again, I'm all for bringing in someone to push Will and maybe take the job, but let's don't bring in someone just to say we did and risk pissing off Will, Parson, or both.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Obviously next year isn't the time to start a brand new QB when we are close to a great season, but Will was a true freshman when he first started. Why can't Parson?

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Because Will HAD to start. Costello wasn't right in the head after Bama. He got his bell rung and was never right again.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And do you see anyone in the portal at the moment that is markedly better than Will? I don't. And again, I'm all for bringing in someone to push Will and maybe take the job, but let's don't bring in someone just to say we did and risk pissing off Will, Parson, or both.

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There are people SEC schools can convince to get in the portal if they want to. It would take very little time to find someone of equal talent to replace our quarterback. There is also going to be another wave of portal players in a few months. Again, did you guys watch us offensively? We were really bad against any defense that was not atrocious. The idea that him leaving would be catastrophic to us is just hilarious. What are we gonna do? Go from scoring 14 ppg against anyone with a pulse to 12 ppg? I mean dang. Arnett is sick of having to field an 85 bears defense to win against anyone with a pulse.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Well Jalen Green started for the last two years. Marcus Banks, who will probably start for us next year is originally from Texas. Hunter Washington is from Texas. Hell, Chris Parson is originally from Texas.

But we need to recruit as many players from the state of Texas as possible. They're 10x the football state MS is. We need to stop falling in love with 2 stars from D'Iberville because it worked a couple of times. There's 5x as many that didn't. Go recruit Duncanville, Southlake, Westlake, Katy, South Oak Cliff, North Shore. Because here's the thing, start a pipeline and you'll have eyes on your program from these schools so that when their next 5 star comes along, which happens almost every year, you may have an in. You've got to be in the game to play it.

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You are wrong here. X100. Texas puts out a lot of players because they are a huge state. Across the board, however, they are soft compared to players from small schools in the southeast. TX high school football has nothing on MS football other than money to build big stadiums and indoor practice facilities.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

There are people SEC schools can convince to get in the portal if they want to. It would take very little time to find someone of equal talent to replace our quarterback. Again, did you guys watch us offensively? We were really bad against any defense that was not atrocious.

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I did. And as I said, I'm not against bringing in a transfer to push Will and maybe take the job. But out of the guys that are starting in the SEC at the moment how many starters could you convince to jump on board? 1? 2 maybe? And out of the backups who would really want that you would be able to get? I mean as I stated earlier we need to monitor what goes on at Bama and UGA but I don't want Kinkead Dent if he gets in the portal or Max Brown from Florida.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Or we would go to the portal like literally everyone else does.

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What are we gonna get in the portal ? You tell me?

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Cool. Good luck to him. He hasn?t been playing well here at all.

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So you want to have no qb. Brilliant. No clue of how it works clearly. Better pray he doesn't leave.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Or we would go to the portal like literally everyone else does.

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For who?? And are you gonna pony up the money to pay for him?? Our money isn't endless buddy.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

So you want to have no qb. Brilliant. No clue of how it works clearly. Better pray he doesn't leave.

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Yes Homedog, if Will Rogers left we would play with no quarterback. That’s how we would go into the season. Probably put Tulu or maybe just let Bumphis apply for an extra year of eligibility. Literally no one would want to play quarterback at an SEC school if Will left. Let’s please pray that he doesn’t. I don’t know if I can take a year without his outstanding play.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

There are people SEC schools can convince to get in the portal if they want to. It would take very little time to find someone of equal talent to replace our quarterback. There is also going to be another wave of portal players in a few months. Again, did you guys watch us offensively? We were really bad against any defense that was not atrocious. The idea that him leaving would be catastrophic to us is just hilarious. What are we gonna do? Go from scoring 14 ppg against anyone with a pulse to 12 ppg? I mean dang. Arnett is sick of having to field an 85 bears defense to win against anyone with a pulse.

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Good thing you aren't in charge or we would be running it every down next year bc we would have Tyson Lee as our qb.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Yes Homedog, if Will Rogers left we would play with no quarterback. That’s how we would go into the season. Probably put Tulu or maybe just let Bumphis apply for an extra year of eligibility. Literally no one would want to play quarterback at an SEC school if Will left. Let’s please pray that he doesn’t. I don’t know if I can take a year without his outstanding play.

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Sure there would people that want to play. But doesn't mean there are guys that want to play here that are better than will. That's a huge assumption w a huge risk.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Sure there would people that want to play. But doesn't mean there are guys that want to play here that are better than will. That's a huge assumption w a huge risk.

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I have seen our quarterback play. It isn’t a huge risk. He isn’t good.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

You are wrong here. X100. Texas puts out a lot of players because they are a huge state. Across the board, however, they are soft compared to players from small schools in the southeast. TX high school football has nothing on MS football other than money to build big stadiums and indoor practice facilities.

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And better talent. Katy would've beaten any team in MS by 4 TDs this year. And they didn't make the state championship. The state of Mississippi is not very good. We've produced some good talent over the years, but it's isolated. The state of TX had 6 five stars and 63 four stars this year. The state of Mississippi had 0 five stars and 6 four stars. I don't give a rats ass about "tough". Get me guys who can produce. For every Jeffrey Simmons this state has produced we've produced 10 Lee Autry's. And I'll go a step further, I don't mind you getting defensive players from this state, because we have an ok hit rate there. But our hit rate at skill positions on offense is abysmal.

I'm beginning to think jarius doesn't think will is any good haha

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Good thing you aren't in charge or we would be running it every down next year bc we would have Tyson Lee as our qb.

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I doubt that would have resulted in poorer offensive outcomes than what I watched against most conference teams we played this year.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm beginning to think jarius doesn't think will is any good haha

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It is just annoying that because a couple of people who have a couple of connections to the program they think that actually makes them knowledgeable about the game of football. No, it just means you know people. Anyone who watched Will rogers play football this year and is scared to death of him leaving can’t be reasoned with.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It is just annoying that because a couple of people who have a couple of connections to the program they think that actually makes them knowledgeable about the game of football. No, it just means you know people. Anyone who watched Will rogers play football this year and is scared to death of him leaving can’t be reasoned with.

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I'm not a Will lover. But I know it could be way worse. And your way makes it possible it's way worse. Way way worse. And again if will leaves we have one qb and he's a tr fr. And before you say portal one more time, who are we getting?? Go

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I'm not a Will lover. But I know it could be way worse. And your way makes it possible it's way worse. Way way worse. And again if will leaves we have one qb and he's a tr fr. And before you say portal one more time, who are we getting?? Go

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Some have made up their mind that it can't be any worse. I'm convinced those people never watched our all Americans Mike Hening, Tyson Lee, Aeris Nelson, or Kyle York take snaps at Davis Wade. I, unfortunately, had the pleasure of watching every one of those QBs take multiple snaps at Davis Wade Stadium.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Some have made up their mind that it can't be any worse. I'm convinced those people never watched our all Americans Mike Hening, Tyson Lee, Aeris Nelson, or Kyle York take snaps at Davis Wade. I, unfortunately, had the pleasure of watching every one of those QBs take multiple snaps at Davis Wade Stadium.

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Correct. Heck I think everyone would like for someone to come challenge Will. If he wins the job great. But there aren't a lot of those guys we can get.... and to think it can't be worse is just plain stupid.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I'm not a Will lover. But I know it could be way worse. And your way makes it possible it's way worse. Way way worse. And again if will leaves we have one qb and he's a tr fr. And before you say portal one more time, who are we getting?? Go

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It can’t be way way worse against anyone worth a crap. I need to see who our OC is going to be before I answer that question. Is it possible that guy can get his former qb to follow him to state? What type of offense are we going to run? Who is going to be in the portal post spring? Who can we back channel that would not cost too much. If we had to do it we could do it. We aren’t going into next season with Will and a true freshman anyway. We will find someone in the portal no matter what. The question is who is going to be available when the smoke clears.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Here is my 2 cents take it for what it?s worth to you


The new AD is the Oklahoma dude.



The rest of the SEC is not waiting on us to hire a OC. We have needs on offense. The portal closes soon. We are not getting any offensive transfers (we need them) right now bc they don?t know what we are going to run. It is past time. If we are going to use a TE/H (we need to) we are going to have to get 2 or 3 from the portal. We very now are going to have a TE coach with no TEs on the roster. Doesnt make much sense.


Other schools are offering our kids money. Serious money. Im not going to name names but its some kids that we really need and some kids that have done nothing but right by us and even turned down money so other kids would stay with us. And yes those other schools are you think they are and are offering that money thru some folks that love to tell others how to act and what to do with their time. We need to pull the trigger on a OC soon in my opinion.

Turner is great, I am ok with Friend. Bumphis is a legend. But these are all types of coaches we have tried to win big with before and it didnt work out. You are not going to beat Bama by trying to out name them on your staff. Basically we are doing the exact opposite of what Leach did with the staff. Hiring based on being a name and not on loyalty or what you personally believe or value. Leach was a dinosaur in some ways that we needed to change, but his culture and his values are why people loved him and We do not need to lose that in my opinion. I love Arnett seems like a great dude and he coached hard. We will see how it goes.

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When the transfer portal is closed, we will spend a spring not having the players needed for the new system if we take a hard turn from air raid. This is turning into what is always has been. And inexperienced coach being made a HC before he was ready to take on the job. I may eat my words tomorrow or Friday. But as of now, it appears that way.

A whole sale change of this offense and hiring late is going to hurt us next year.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Correct. Heck I think everyone would like for someone to come challenge Will. If he wins the job great. But there aren't a lot of those guys we can get.... and to think it can't be worse is just plain stupid.

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EXACTLY. I would be willing to wager that 90% of our fanbase would love for someone to come and challenge Will and maybe even win the job. But most of that 90% also knows it could be fall off a cliff worse. You don't replace a two year starter unless you know you're going to upgrade. You can't take uncalculated risks in the SEC. We're already taking a risk with a first time HC, a first time OC(out of all likelihood), and a first time DC. We don't need our QB to be taking his first collegiate snaps on Sept. 2nd.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed we gets Johns at OC, and he brings his qb (Riley Leonard from fairhope Al). Doubtful, at best, i know

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It can’t be way way worse against anyone worth a crap. I need to see who our OC is going to be before I answer that question. Is it possible that guy can get his former qb to follow him to state? What type of offense are we going to run? Who is going to be in the portal post spring? Who can we back channel that would not cost too much. If we had to do it we could do it. We aren’t going into next season with Will and a true freshman anyway. We will find someone in the portal no matter what. The question is who is going to be available when the smoke clears.

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You must've missed the 2008 Egg Bowl where we didn't cross the 50. Or 3-2. Or any game in 2020 season where we couldn't score. I promise it can be worse against teams worth a crap. I've seen it. 59-21 in Knoxville in 03. Yea, that was fun. and 21 of that 21 was against their 3rd string. They opened the game up 52-0