Unless Spurrier is being held back in areas by Leach, we are still having issues with WR rotation as a whole, short arms, disappearing acts during some games, need for chair removal, drops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desoto1967
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Unless Spurrier is being held back in areas by Leach, we are still having issues with WR rotation as a whole, short arms, disappearing acts during some games, need for chair removal, drops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desoto1967
Don't complain about losing players if you're not donating to The Bulldog Initiative.
People are greatly overestimating the influence Deion would have on recruiting. Recruits aren't going to ignore NIL because they want to play for Deion. Deion might be the deciding factor with NIL deals are close, but if we hired Deion we'd still be behind in recruiting but we'd be reliant on coordinators for x's and o's. That seems extremely dangerous to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
He can't prevent Auburn from hiring Freeze but if the SEC Office is against Freeze coming back in the SEC, then that is a dumb move on Auburn's part if they go ahead and hire Freeze. Saban wasn't going to go against the SEC Office. You don't want to upset or be on the bad side of the SEC Office if you are a member school of the SEC. That's pure stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
The League Office has a few important roles:
Collect the checks
Dispurse the checks.
Lobby for Bowls for its members
Oversee the SEC Chempionship sports.
Hiring and Firing Head Football Coaches or admonishing Schools for hiring against their preferences isn?t one of them.
All the Schools have certain autonomy to staff all of their departments.
He can do some things, or at least he can if he has the same level of support as Slive did. But they mostly involve "abusing" discretion that the conference has. Before paying recruits moved above the table, you were taking a huge risk tweaking the SEC office because they helped protect cheaters. Cam Newton doesn't play after everything becomes public if the SEC doesn't have Auburn's back. We got hammered for Will Redmond because we made a stink about Cam. Ole Miss was protected because while they weren't a blue blood, they were still a member of the SEC; and maybe partly because the SEC didn't want the Freeze stuff coming out either. Now though, basically they influence bowl selections and how roughly you get treated with fines for stuff like criticizing officials, maybe some scheduling. Hard to consistently punish somebody for that, but you can maek sure the swing cases go against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
But while they can't do anything to Auburn per se, they can tell Freeze's agent that if Auburn is going to hire him, they are going to have to open back up the investigation into who those escorts were for, and then it just becomes a matter of whether Freeze thinks all of that will look too bad for the SEC for them to bring it up, or whether he'd rather just keep coaching outside of the SEC and not open that can of worms.
I personally don't think the SEC will go to the mat to keep Freeze out and that Auburn is not going to be scared off. That said, I'm not sure Freeze wants to come back to the SEC; if he hasn't cleaned up his act, then he may not want to be under that microscope again.
He's the most valuable player on the team, imo. Whatever it takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
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Originally Posted by Johnson85
If Deion came to MSU, NIL money would roll in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I think the WR that will transfer is Zavian Thomas. There's a reason he was inactive Sat night. He does not like Leach. If you watch the video about Leach going around to his team before the game to make eye contact and shake hands, Thomas doesn't acknowledge him. He keeps his head down in his phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
All is not well between Leach and this receiver group. See: taking up The folding chairs Sat night and throwing them down
Losing Tulu would hurt more in the return specialist role, but I have no doubt that another team would put him in the slot and he would explode and be All-everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
Major controversy, big time majorQuote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
Well either our WRs are turrible route runners, don?t know where they are supposed to go to find green space, or are just plain and simply lazy.
I would prefer we settle on a 6 guy rotation, have 10 on the roster each year, and make this thing work.
So a kid that Leach signed last year doesn't like Leach. Maybe so, but maybe not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
If the receivers don't want to be there then let them go. I want receivers that want to play for Mike Leach.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
That's just how it is. I want them to catch the damn ball when it hits them in the hands. We've been missing that lately. Although Will's accuracy seems to have taken a few steps back this year, but is it him or the receivers?
Maybe if they work harder to get open then Will will pass to them more.
Can we complain about not losing players that we are paying for?!!? ****Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Genespage subscriber told me at game Z was suspended for two games, thus Tulu fielding punts against AU.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
I watched the replay of the game last night. OT's whiffing all night. Jones and Dolla made no difference. Did Will no favors, in addition to his sometimes holding ball too long and soft receivers disappearing. Good receivers or those that think they are good like to go deep and be targeted. Expect big portal exit in our WR room. JMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by memsu06
I'll reveal my total ignorance on this topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Has the MSU Press ever asked Leach about getting a mobile QB that can throw 50 passes too. A wrinkle that dumb fans think is necessary to succeed in the SEC.
Cause I lived in Norman OK at the time, Leach actually brought Josh Heupel to Oklahoma. Nowadays, Josh looks like Jabba the Fulmer. But at Oklahoma, he was a Will Rodgers body-type clone. Sooner won a NC with Heupel and he nearly won a Heisman in 2000. Zero mobility, not a huge arm, and a clever play maker. But successful and a National Champion.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authorin...-3a646120.jpeg
His QBs at TTU were also similar guys. They did throw for a lot of yards but Big 12 defenses were trash in that era. I guess that success has made Leach comfortable with his choices. Mahomes and Mayfield never played for Leach, they were Kingsbury kids.
https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gal...fl/2441762001/
I don't know if any stats are available, but I'd wager the talent gap between OU and it's main competitors was much less than the gap between us and LSU, Bama, UGA, etc. Additionally I wager top defenses currently in the SEC are light years ahead of what OU faced in those days. It's about adding one more option that the D has to be concerned with. Everything changes and adapts, look at Heupel, he has a mobile QB. In short, everything works until is doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Depends on how much we're paying themQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Yeah, to me it seems that Leach is still playing like it's 1999. With all his coaching tree (Kingsbury) and his old QBs (Heupel as you point out) fully evolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
OU in the late 90's was recruiting good players, they had no talent gap with the best teams in the nation in 1999. Just mis-allocated players. They were extremely better than most teams in their conference.
Also, yes. The defenses of the SEC are and were far better. Big 12 football was transitioning to flag football tacking at this time.
And a lot of us sure aren't partying "Like It's 1999", with his 2nd half disappearing acts in games on offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
If that were the case Freeze would already be back in the SEC. He’s still coaching at Liberty for a reason, and it’s not because that’s his dream job. If you think going against what Greg Sankey directly tells you to do is a good idea for your university, you won’t be in charge of that university’s decision making for very long. That’s a good way to get your ass thrown to the wolves. If Nick Saban can’t hire you, you are unhirable. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
I agree butQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
If there was ever a school in the Country that would hire Freeze at the power 5 level
It would be 100% Auburn
Auburn is the most desperate school in America rn, they are going to pay some coach between 9-10 million per year to come there, they arent settling.
This 100%. Auburn will hire who they want to hire. They don't care. It's auburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by PikeDawg15
And Sankey didn't tell Saban he couldn't hire freeze. Saban would have melted him with his laser eyes. Sankey told him the whole Freeze backstory and Saban changed his mind. (Pure speculation on my part)
This Is incorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Is the new world of college football this open? Maybe it is but I cant imagine coaches have any idea who is going to transfer that is a starter. You would think if you are a starting player you would keep your mouth shut until season is over. I just cant see how (if true) Tulu would tell the coaching staff with 3 games left he is going to transfer after this season and still expect to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Tulu is being paid well currently and I'm not sure he'd get a better NIL deal(cough cough) anywhere else.
Of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
You don't say, lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
So if you go by 247 and believe that the real talent is close to what they rate itQuote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
While Leach was at Texas Tech, there was a bigger talent gap between texas tech and Oklahoma and texas than there is between Miss St and Alabama or LSU
Texas tech back then recruited between #35 and #40 every year and oklahoma and texas have always been inside the top 10 recruiting rankings between 7-10
Mississippi State however has been between #20 and #25 in recruiting ranking for the majority of the past decade while alabama and LSU usually are in the top 5
At washington state is was way worse for leach
While Leach was there, they recruited in the 60's and Washington was consistently in the top 15 recruiting classes and oregon and usc were in the top 10
yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I said this in the other thread but tulu says "this s*** about me leaving is total bs". Not opinion but straight from horses mouth.
You said the same thing when I said I was hearing Polk was going to enter the draft....It may or may not end up being true, but the rumor is out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
The rumor is out there because you started it
Me talking about Polk was my prediction/guess. This isn’t a guess. If you can think of the time I was wrong it means there’s not many. This same rumor has been out here for the last 2 years too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Rumor has it that leach is putting in more run plays too***Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The SEC Office can't tell a school they can't hire a certain coach, but they can tell them it would not be in your best interest as a member of the SEC if you do. If you are a member of the SEC you don't want to make the SEC Office upset or mad as I have stated in other threads. I don't think Auburn is that stupid that they would go against the SEC Office's wishes. Saban didn't want to buck the SEC or make them mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
If IYOK makes a statement, it's as close to a fact as it gets on a message board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34